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I haven;t go to race yet, but my best friend has a sweet 79 Z28. Both are cars are bone stock. My 89 IROC has a 350TPI with the 700R4 and 2.77 gears. His 79 Z28 is a 350 Q-Jet 4bbl with a TH350 with 3.42 gears.
Alright guys, who's gonna win this one? From a dead stop to top speed. I want to get a little input before I put the tires on the pavement against him.
With your 4th gear, 2.77's and extra power, I'd put U top speed. But I am not sure how bad your 2.77 gears are gunna kill ya at the jump. If he is bone stock though his 1979 350 doesnt have the kind of power your L98 has so theres a good chance u'll make up for the lack of gears.
Acording to my book the 1979 Z28 only had 350 175hp, Ironic as the 1978 is listed at 185hp and the 1980 at 190hp. Far cry from your 240hp. U should take him farly easy.
Woo Hoo.....Thats what I like to hear. I just remembered that we both have aftermarket 3" exhast, but that should make mcuh difference. In a week or so, I'll have the race results and I'll let you guys know how it went.
Well, the LG4 could keep up with it on the top end, but the Z with a 4 speed and 3.73 posi rear definitly took you off the line Curt. Back to the real question. There is zero chance of you losing to the second gen. You have more HP, more torque and are lighter than he is. Should be a walk in the park.
i meant that you may be surprised if that 79 takes you, i've been in 350 TPI cars with the same setup and it didn't feel like it had my car by much (my car only has a 2.5 exhaust and a performer with headers. I don't know about you, but second and third gens are about the same weight wise, both being overly heavy.
The curb weight of the 79 camaro was 3,612 lbs. That is for the base model camaro. Your friend's probably weighs comsiderably more than that. The highest hp 350 for that year was a whopping 170 hp and 270 tq. You will have no problem whooping him.
Originally posted by denis i meant that you may be surprised if that 79 takes you, i've been in 350 TPI cars with the same setup and it didn't feel like it had my car by much (my car only has a 2.5 exhaust and a performer with headers. I don't know about you, but second and third gens are about the same weight wise, both being overly heavy.
my 86 weighs 3480 lbs with me and 1/4 tank of gas. my friends 76 LT weighs 300 lbs more than me, around 3800 lbs. so there is a substantial difference.
Your torque will probably keep you in front, out of the whole and all through the race. Just get a decent launch and take him out. The only way you can lose is if you spin too much. Feather the gas and you will probably still take him. Post the results too.
~Matt
__________________ White 86 Trans Am (bought for $800):
LG4, 180,000 mi, 2.73? posi (broken), TH-700R4, Edelbrock TES headers and y-pipe, a/c delete, dynomax superflow cat, open-air cleaner, Edelbrock Performer camshaft 2102, valve lift: intake .420 exhaust .442, mild (homemade) headwork, 180* thermostat, new flat black front bumper, Kenwood cd player, Dynomax catback, KYB shocks and struts & front control arm bushings in the garage
In the future: 3.73 gears, SLP posi, valves, springs, roller rockers, new pushrods, Afr heads, big lifter cam, lowering springs, 383 carbed and .03 overbore, ProBuilt 700R4, ram air through foglights, new high stall TC, new aluminum intake manifold, new white paint, new black with red accent decals, and hopefully 12s
Best track time (4/24/02): 16.45s @ 81.99mph w/ 2.44 60'
Daily Driver (bought for $4700):
'95 Chevy Blazer LT, 4.3L Vortec V6, 4WD, auto, 110,500 miles, leather seats, all options, tow package, rebuilt tranny, 3.73 posi, bone stock
The other dude has a 350 right? That will be a joke. I have a friend who has a '79 trans am (the "Bandit"), its all stock with a 403 in it. Needless to say I can pull well past him with my 91 Z28 350TPI. 1/8th, 1/4th, or highway, it makes no difference. Much heavier and a lot less power, that about says it all.
__________________ 1991 Z28 Camaro Air Ride/INTRO Wheels 1999 30th Anniversary WS6 Trans Am #357 of 1600 Produced 2008 HHR SS 318 H.P. LNF 2.0 Turbocharged
Originally posted by Hawk92z-TDZ With your 4th gear, 2.77's and extra power, I'd put U top speed. But I am not sure how bad your 2.77 gears are gunna kill ya at the jump. If he is bone stock though his 1979 350 doesnt have the kind of power your L98 has so theres a good chance u'll make up for the lack of gears.
I wouldn't worry about the gears THAT much. My '88 ran 14.6 with crappy autozone headers and nothing else with 2.77 gears. It ran 15.0 stock. You'll kill him. And check sig for final time WITH 2.77 gears.
__________________ Sold: '88 L98 IROC T-top
Sold: '89 L98 IROC Hardtop (G92)
Parting out: '92 RS If you need any parts send me a PM. 383ci with lots of goodies, full suspension, trans, rearend, racing seats, gauges, etc.
Originally posted by BadBowtie88 I wouldn't worry about the gears THAT much. My '88 ran 14.6 with crappy autozone headers and nothing else with 2.77 gears. It ran 15.0 stock. You'll kill him. And check sig for final time WITH 2.77 gears.
Read the post under that one and U'll see I corrected that when I found out the crappy HP on the 79
Does your friend want to keep his Z all stock? I ask this b/c he has a nice setup to begin with: 350/TH350, 3.42 posi, etc.
I had a '79 Camaro with an anemic 305 that was on its last leg. I found a 400sbc for sale (out of a '71 Caprice) and dropped it in my Camaro (didn't rebuild the motor). I added the usual, cam, carb, intake, headers (left the heads dead stock) and with the stock open rearend (2.73?), I ran a 13.8 @ 100. That was several years after I beat on the engine so I'm sure it was a few tenths quicker when it was first installed. My car was a great sleeper, it looked completely stock and surprised quite a few IROC's, 5.0's etc. The best thing about it was the 400 engine and the TH350 tranny that came with it only cost me $300!!
I really don't want to rain on anyones parade, but my car (sig) was bought for $450, and since then I have put about $2000 into it. $1800 of which was to repair it from and accident and do a little motor work. I run a 14.8 @93mph this is with a full tank of gas (car weighing in at 3776 lbs!), broken distributor cap, header leak, and an unset valve (exhaust). I think with some work, the second gen will be a force to be dealt with.
Originally posted by Ian_F I really don't want to rain on anyones parade, but my car (sig) was bought for $450, and since then I have put about $2000 into it. $1800 of which was to repair it from and accident and do a little motor work. I run a 14.8 @93mph this is with a full tank of gas (car weighing in at 3776 lbs!), broken distributor cap, header leak, and an unset valve (exhaust). I think with some work, the second gen will be a force to be dealt with.
I hate to rain on your parade, but what you have done to your car in your sig cost a lot more than $200. That is a far cry from the stock engine that came in that car. He was talking about stock, and in stock form the late second gens are not very good performers. Almost any car can be made fast with the right mods and money. You have a nice car it sounds like and its pretty quick, but it's definitely no where near stock.
Ian was just giving more info on how fast these cars can get. His car came stock with around 170hp and he could have up to 300hp now. And for very cheap considering that most of the money went into repairing the car cosmetically after the accident. Why would you "rain on his parade" when 406TA said the same kind of thing only about a different car? The two of them were just talking about the modding of second gen camaros, sorry if that bothers you since the one in the race was stock.
~Matt
__________________ White 86 Trans Am (bought for $800):
LG4, 180,000 mi, 2.73? posi (broken), TH-700R4, Edelbrock TES headers and y-pipe, a/c delete, dynomax superflow cat, open-air cleaner, Edelbrock Performer camshaft 2102, valve lift: intake .420 exhaust .442, mild (homemade) headwork, 180* thermostat, new flat black front bumper, Kenwood cd player, Dynomax catback, KYB shocks and struts & front control arm bushings in the garage
In the future: 3.73 gears, SLP posi, valves, springs, roller rockers, new pushrods, Afr heads, big lifter cam, lowering springs, 383 carbed and .03 overbore, ProBuilt 700R4, ram air through foglights, new high stall TC, new aluminum intake manifold, new white paint, new black with red accent decals, and hopefully 12s
Best track time (4/24/02): 16.45s @ 81.99mph w/ 2.44 60'
Daily Driver (bought for $4700):
'95 Chevy Blazer LT, 4.3L Vortec V6, 4WD, auto, 110,500 miles, leather seats, all options, tow package, rebuilt tranny, 3.73 posi, bone stock
I said I spent $1800 on repairing it from an accident AND motor work. to this day I have not spent more than $3000 on my car. This is not something that everyone can do. I got a lot of part for my car for cheap or all together free. For instance, the heads I got for $50. I got them ported for $50 too. The exhaust, rear axle, traction bars and headers I got for free. I was just trying to point out that with a little bit of work, the second gen can become quite fast for very little money(if they know where to look).
