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Hey I was just wondering what chance my 90 RS 305 TBI(doesent get much worse than that well except for the 2.8 I had before but it had a date with some concrete on an Interstate off ramp FUN) would have against a 3000GT cause thats the car my little brother wants and you know I cant let him beat me overall hes a pretty bad driver all he knows how to do is push the gas pedal so umm what are the different engine setups on those and who would win?
and also any one looked at those later model mustangs V6's I mean cause my friends sister has one and I was driving next to her and umm I past her and then outa no where she blows past me then I kicked it into overdrive and left her like bat out of hell anyone know if that engine is that good or did she just floor it and use everything it had? Also my 305 has 170,000 miles on it
what was that like 3 instances of punctuation in two paragraphs? That hurt my head. 170K on a 305TBI, you are gonna get beat by most things would be my guess.
190 hp V6 225ft.lbs and its a girls car so it has not been doged and its newer so it has low milege. vs 90 RS M5,A4 LO3 V8 9.3:1 5.0 (305) 170@4000 255@2400 TBI 3.08 ---- 2.73 ----
I beat v6 rustangs all the time. She must have floored it. And if your brother gets any year 3000gt thats a tt (twin turbo) vr-4, you better look into upgrades or a new engine.
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Shifted into overdrive and blew by her A stock 3000GT is not much of a threat but should beat you from a roll. A VR4 will work you over pretty good anyway you look at it. Stock VR4's are not faster than LS1 cars. Don't believe what the mags tell you. Read a few stories over on camz28 and ls1.com to varify.
(Stock VR4's are not faster than LS1 cars.)
well they are on paper they should be because the cost about 12,000 more and it says they can do 0-60 in 5.0 flat and 1\4 mile of 13.5
the 1999 ss camaro 0-60 5.1 1\4 mile 13.7 and that the ss the z28 has a ls1 to and its 0-60 5.4secs and 1\4 13.9 i think not sure as far as the 1\4mile on the z28
i think u may be wright imports are fast on paper but not on the streets hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa:lala: :lala: :lala: :lala:
Originally posted by 1981z28 (Stock VR4's are not faster than LS1 cars.)
well they are on paper they should be because the cost about 12,000 more and it says they can do 0-60 in 5.0 flat and 1\4 mile of 13.5
the 1999 ss camaro 0-60 5.1 1\4 mile 13.7 and that the ss the z28 has a ls1 to and its 0-60 5.4secs and 1\4 13.9 i think not sure as far as the 1\4mile on the z28
LS1 cars should run much faster than that with a driver with any skill. Those numbers posted are more in the LT1 range. You reall'y cannot go by what the mags publish. SS and Z's are the same car when ET's are concered. The LS1 powerband is much broader than the VR4.
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How do you mean that? uhhh it wasnt a race we were just screwing around
You maid it sound like you were racing and that you used OD as a performance gear.
I held my ground well against a stealth twin turbo with my stock L98. Pretty much the same car as 3000gt VR4. I got outrun pretty bad by 2000ish WS6 trans am that I was chasing around a curvy back road.
So based on my experience a VR4 or TT stealth will run either low 14's or may get into high 13's IF driven well. Snowball chance in hell that a stock VR4 with walk an SS or WS6 LS1 car as long as drivers are equal.
Originally posted by Orr89RocZ I held my ground well against a stealth twin turbo with my stock L98. Pretty much the same car as 3000gt VR4. I got outrun pretty bad by 2000ish WS6 trans am that I was chasing around a curvy back road.
So based on my experience a VR4 or TT stealth will run either low 14's or may get into high 13's IF driven well. Snowball chance in hell that a stock VR4 with walk an SS or WS6 LS1 car as long as drivers are equal.
Exactly. You have to beat the piss out of the car on the launch to pull good times out of them...anyone that doesn't believe me go to the track and see what people are pulling out of stock ones....
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone You maid it sound like you were racing and that you used OD as a performance gear.
hmmm I didnt mean to. I dont race for several reasons NO.1 Im running a 305. TBI and theres so many imports around here who can beat me I would give our cars a bad name NO.2 I couldnt afford the tickets Im only 18 NO.3 Montgomery drivers are among the worst in the friggen world and I dont want to die.
If I did race my brother it would be in a controled eviroment after I sweep the area for police.
And oh yeah I saw a complete moron today I was parked on the side of the road checking my engine for some random reason then some idiot in a late model BMW beamer is that what theyre called hmm whatever after its been pouring rain all afternoon turns a corner at about 30 MPH spins out once and then spins out again trying to straighten up and even after this to try and save face this idot speeds off down the road as fast as he could and I guess thats my worthless drivel for today Ya know I would call that guy an *** but I wont
(um, yeah ok...maybe with a pro driver in the 3KGT and my 6 year old cousin driving the SS...)
wow thats funny.
on paper it is faster maybe not on the street but on paper its track test blows away the 1999 ss camaro. i dont drive a 3000gt or a 1999 ss camaro . i dont know i only have a 1981 z28 and a 1982 base camaro with a 400 small block in it .both have stomp a mudd hole in many imports includeing 3000gt and i beat my pals 1997 ss camaro. but i still dont think a 305 tbi will stand a chance a 305 tpi yea i put money on that but not a tbi.
A guy I know owns a 2000 (I think) 3000GT, without the TT, and it's a stick. We lined up, and by the time you could say "Antidisastablishmentarianism," his headlights were nothing more than a speck in my rear-view. My car was stock, about 98,000 on the ticker, and the crappiest H-rated tires on the market... Those things are slow...
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Originally posted by 90RS305 A guy I know owns a 2000 (I think) 3000GT, without the TT, and it's a stick. We lined up, and by the time you could say "Antidisastablishmentarianism," his headlights were nothing more than a speck in my rear-view. My car was stock, about 98,000 on the ticker, and the crappiest H-rated tires on the market... Those things are slow...
Originally posted by ljnowell what was that like 3 instances of punctuation in two paragraphs? That hurt my head. 170K on a 305TBI, you are gonna get beat by most things would be my guess.
Calm down. Its one thing if you can't actually read the post like some i've seen. But you can get the general idea of what this guy is saying.
As far as the 3000 GT being as fast as a LS1 f-body because it costs 12K more..................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~
I repeat:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Best time (with stock cam on the old 350): 60' 2.396 - 13.733 @ 107.48 MPH
if its a vr4 the maro will lose assuming the vr4 is in good shape.
base 3kgt and sl also have different motors. i didnt read most of this thread because it seemed like a lot of arguing.so if its been posted sorry
13.5 out of a stock vr4 is rare most are in the high 13's. the sl motor has 222hp or so and prolly not much more tq. I wouldnt be surprised if you lost to an sl if your bro can drive. Base models are SOHC motors and suck.
Depending on the year vr4 they had about 20hp difference from 1993 or 1994 i think, but only cuz the boost got turned up from the factory.
Originally posted by camaro-mayhem if its a vr4 the maro will lose assuming the vr4 is in good shape.
False. VR4's are heavier and have a weaker power band than an LS1 car. If they run high 13's on a good day than an LS1 will work it over even with the worst driver. VR4's are in LT1 territory.
Originally posted by ShiftyCapone False. VR4's are heavier and have a weaker power band than an LS1 car. If they run high 13's on a good day than an LS1 will work it over even with the worst driver. VR4's are in LT1 territory.
I don't know, my cousin is pretty horrible, 00 Trans am....14.2 on the 1/4 .
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Stage III ported heads | CC306 Cam | Electric Waterpump
1.6:1 Rocker Arms | SLP headers | 3" Exhaust
Forged Rotating assembly | Whole lot of *** woopin!
Best time (with stock cam on the old 350): 60' 2.396 - 13.733 @ 107.48 MPH
Originally posted by ShiftyCapone False. VR4's are heavier and have a weaker power band than an LS1 car. If they run high 13's on a good day than an LS1 will work it over even with the worst driver. VR4's are in LT1 territory.
Originally posted by 25thmustang I hope this is a joke???
No joke. And believe me be I'm not one to go around bragging every time I beat someone either. He even let me drive the thing later that day and it sucked. I guess it had to be a 1999 (if that was the last year) cuz' it was one of the later models. I dunno, couldn't tell ya. Don't forget though I DID say it was NOT the twin-turbo model...
90RS305 had clicked off low 15 sec passes. A heavy stock non-turbo 3000gt will have a hard time besting that. Just look how pathetic non turbo supras are.
Originally posted by ShiftyCapone 90RS305 had clicked off low 15 sec passes. A heavy stock non-turbo 3000gt will have a hard time besting that. Just look how pathetic non turbo supras are.
Yeah the N/A cars like that are junk.
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Well if this helps us settle this. I just raced a sl 3000gt yesterday (july4). Sorry don't know the year, but it was a old one. Him and his buddy looked at me and laughed cause my car says RS. I took offensive to that. When the light turned green we both took off. After that, lets just say I had to wait a few seconds for him to pull up again at the next light. And if your wondering my car is a stock LO3 except for the dynomax cat-back with no cat.
1993 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.3 14.8
1994 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.1
1995 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 5.3 13.9
1995 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.7 15.1
1995 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.6 14.0
1996 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.3
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1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
they r faster on paper maybe not on the street or on the track but on paper yea. this is y i dont like imports they say they can do stuff and run times that they cant. or at least they cant after 10,000 miles all the power goes bye bye.
Originally posted by iroc-ice I beat v6 rustangs all the time. She must have floored it. And if your brother gets any year 3000gt thats a tt (twin turbo) vr-4, you better look into upgrades or a new engine.
the 99+ mustangs are a mid to low 15 second car if driven right
better then a stock TBI
now if you are talking about the 98 or older V6 mustangs that is another story
as far as teh 3000GT saying if you race one your going to get beat
that is like saying if you race a V6 firebird your going to win
what if the person is driving a turbo powered firebird
there are a few different N/A versions of the 3kGT that run anywhere from low 15's to high 16's
Originally posted by 1981z28 (Stock VR4's are not faster than LS1 cars.)
well they are on paper they should be because the cost about 12,000 more and it says they can do 0-60 in 5.0 flat and 1\4 mile of 13.5
the 1999 ss camaro 0-60 5.1 1\4 mile 13.7 and that the ss the z28 has a ls1 to and its 0-60 5.4secs and 1\4 13.9 i think not sure as far as the 1\4mile on the z28
i think u may be wright imports are fast on paper but not on the streets hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa:lala: :lala: :lala: :lala:
if you look at the mags they also said the Z06 with the 385hp motor was only running 13 flat or so when they are good for more then that
the Z28 has been known to run low 13's stock
even heard of ONE guy running a 12.8 STOCK
mags aren't the greatest for what a car can or can not do
Originally posted by FLYNLOW92rs Make the race as short as possible, you'll pull off the line, but he'll catch back up, just make the race short and you'll win........
if it is a VR4 then chances are that he will not get the lauch or catch up
AWD does wonders for the launch and part of the reason the VR4 might be able to pull decent numbers on paper
genearlly AWD cars are easier to launch then a standard RWD or FWD car
Originally posted by iroc-ice 3000gt and stealths are heavy *** cars. Maybe thats why on paper they seem faster then the SS. Just a a guess.
the sl's and base models dont weight that much. around as much as a turdgen (probably less). Thats why lots of people have started to take interests in SL's, DOHC v6 and a growing aftermarket.
VR4's are complete pigs thanks to things like all wheel steering, active aero wings, awd, things like that.
Mag times = My 3 yr old nephew can drive better than these guys can. They are the only ones in the world that can put a stock LS1 F-body into the 14's.(well, maybe not) I mean give me a break. I saw a guy(yes, in person) run 12.97 with NOTHING done to his '99 Z. How's that for paper information? And I do believe they quit making turbo 3000gt's in '97 or '98 can't remember which. In any case, anything can happen on the street, we all know this for a fact. Even at the track for that matter. So go find one, race it with a good driver, and find out...
(My 3 yr old nephew can drive better than these guys can. They are the only ones in the world that can put a stock LS1 F-body into the 14's.(well, maybe not) I mean give me a break. I saw a guy(yes, in person) run 12.97 with NOTHING done to his '99 Z. How's that for paper information? And I do believe they quit making turbo 3000gt's in '97 or '98 can't remember which. In any case, anything can happen on the street, we all know this for a fact. Even at the track for that matter. So go find one, race it with a good driver, and find out...)
does everyone here just pick what part of my post to read ????
i have said many times that yes gm muscle cars factory stats are under and that the 3000gts are only faster on paper.
A stock 3000GT is not much of a threat but should beat you from a roll. A VR4 will work you over pretty good anyway you look at it. Stock VR4's are not faster than LS1 cars. Don't believe what the mags tell you. Read a few stories over on camz28 and ls1.com to varify. 
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My 3 yr old nephew can drive better than these guys can. They are the only ones in the world that can put a stock LS1 F-body into the 14's.(well, maybe not) I mean give me a break. I saw a guy(yes, in person) run 12.97 with NOTHING done to his '99 Z. How's that for paper information? And I do believe they quit making turbo 3000gt's in '97 or '98 can't remember which. In any case, anything can happen on the street, we all know this for a fact. Even at the track for that matter. So go find one, race it with a good driver, and find out... 
