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landlord was smack talkin last night over beer and wings. forgot how it started. anyway he has 3 civics and he said any of his cars would beat any of mine. so, the one hes driving now i think its a 1990 dx hatchback, 5speed, body is rusted to heck, leaks oil... on the way home he wasnt so sure he would win when i broke the end a bit loose turning onto a street. so now he wants to do a tunup first.
anyway i just did a cap rotor plug checkout on my carmaro, good. the plugs were new last oil change, im gonig to check the tps, and empty the trunk.
it will probably just be from a stop up to the 80kmph speed limit.
do i have a chance? would putting 17' rims and 245 tires on help from 225's? anything i can do? like run no air filter just for the race?
if i dont win its ok. my lincoln towncar mustang project will take it and his crx which is his baby.
crx with nothing too majour, just ignintion, clutch, and whatever a "jap spec tranny" is, slicks, rims, projectors, 'dual' catback exhaust, clear tails.
hes got a 4door 1989ish civic lx in the garage that is being prepped for a b16 and a saab turbo. but im not touching that.
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I'm more interested in the type of beer Labatts or Moose Head & the dip for the (ya call them Buffalo or chicken) wings? Ranch dressing or Blue Cheese?
Which ride will win?
Ya mentioned rust, then the other car is cheating, because it's pounds lighter due to rust taking toll on body weight! Back in 70's I recall seeing Ford LTDs with lower half of door gone due to rust!
PS ANY small engine gains it's power thru higher RPM blasts. Honda engines are known for their visits to 10,000RPM. I always enjoyed my 10,000RPM visits on my Yamaha motorcycles for a morning wake up!
eh, an early 90's honda dx isn't gonna be much of anything, i'd put my money on you, but that depends on how well "in tune" your car is. I've heard of plenty of cars that should win, losing because they're outta tune, or just a pos. And the same in opposite. So, i'm not gonna say, yea or nea, but i'd say it's in your favor.
no honda races, except new ones, and those are normally close, as long as i'm mid powerband, and they're lower, when they rev up they can normally pull on me at the highend.
Did race an old integra once, was a 1985 5-speed car, and that was no challenge, beat him by a mile, w/ my 85 automatic bird. We were buddies and discussed it afterwards, if i didn't have the torque i did, and the ability to pull on him off the line the way i was able to, it woulda been a close race. But after i left the line, there was no looking back.
almost speak like my car's fast, lol.
__________________ 1985 Pontiac Firebird-4th gen dash, 4th gen center console, 4th gen seats, 4th gen door panels.
Jasper 2.8L under the hood
Rebuilt 700r4, shift kit, corvette servo, high pressure boost valve.
and then you pop the hood and realise theres about 2 cylinders and 200 cubes missing for it to be fast i love my 5 spd v6 camaro, got enough power for me and its fun to drive
there's no question in my mind whether you'll win or not. you've got like 40 more hp and a lot more tq than he does. plus, you're rear wheel drive, you'll hook easier.
__________________ used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4
The DX engine is a bit of a joke. The engine was never intended for racing it was developed for fuel economy. If for some reason you can't beat him then there is a serious issue with your car. My buddy drives a Cutlass Supreme with the same 2.8L Engine that resides in your camaro and he walks the hondas all day long. Then again all the hondas around here except for one of them spend all their pay on exterior parts rather then engine work.
That DX shouldn't be a big deal. I think its producing about 105hp or something...another thing is, can this guy drive?
i once race a guy with a suzuki swift back when i had my camaro, it was such a joke when he pulled to the light and reved up that little metro motor. didnt even have the pedel to the floor and i was way ahead
__________________ 1983 cross fire t/a all stock and falling apart. anyone in WA interested
1) Your landlord is a jack ***, and I encourage you to tell him to wear my *** as a hat!
a)Dual exhaust on a CRX? Please!
b) clear tail lights? Come one son, that's as much of a mod as an air freshener!
c) Any of his cars can beat any of yours? That's talking out of his corn hole if I've ever heard it!
2) No one in this thread knows what they are talking about at all, yet, they are all right.
3) Drinking and posting is usually not the best idea.
4) I'm sure you'll win, but seriously, this entire post should be deleted. In fact, please make me a mod with only the capabilities to delete posts with stupid things about Hondas and imports in them.
5) One guy mentioned that you had whopping 40 more horse power than him. Well, that's usually good, but not when he weighs 1,500 lbs less than you.
Originally posted by stu 2) No one in this thread knows what they are talking about at all, yet, they are all right.
5) One guy mentioned that you had whopping 40 more horse power than him. Well, that's usually good, but not when he weighs 1,500 lbs less than you.
"2)"...
"5)"...in this race, i would much rather have the 40hp than the 1500 lb advantage. on that note, the honda weighs under 2k??
__________________ used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4
3) Drinking and posting is usually not the best idea.
It very easily can weigh under 2,000 lbs, this one probably doesn't unless he's stripped it but I bet it's pretty close. Plus I thought he was talking about a CRX, see #3. 40 hp doesn't mean jack if it doesn't help your power to weight ratio.
i'm not going to sit here and argue about this cause its kind of dumb to argue about. last thing i want to say is:
92 hp / 2000lb car= .046hp per lb
135 hp (2.8) / 3200lb car =.0422hp per lb
FWD 5 speed (unless he's a good driver) = potential traction issues
RWD auto = small if any traction issues
__________________ used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4
What sort of torque is this honda supposed to be putting out? The 2.8 doesn't make gobs of it, but that would definitly help out for launching the car, and that it's RWD. Oh, can't forget, a lot of 2.8 cars came with 3.42 rear gears. Does yours?
I think the Tech Data section says you should have 3.42's. My Firebird had those. If you had the LG4, you would have 3.08's. Unless, of course, someone changed the gears out before you owned the car...
i'd have a hard time believing that a stock CRX is under 2000 lbs, as getting a shelby cobra there is about average, but that's talking a small car w/ a fiberglass body, aluminum v8, and aluminum floors etc, on a tube steel frame. And yes, they're basically "stripped out" , they touch 2k, not a full grocery getter.
mostly body filler... that car isn't touching 2,000 lbs!
__________________ used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4
Originally posted by AM91Camaro_RS "2)"...
"5)"...in this race, i would much rather have the 40hp than the 1500 lb advantage. on that note, the honda weighs under 2k??
the car stock is in the range of what 1900-2200lbs depending on options if I remember right for the hatchback
small light little car
and also agree with stu
having extra 40hp with another 1500lbs isn't going to mean much
Originally posted by AM91Camaro_RS i'm not going to sit here and argue about this cause its kind of dumb to argue about. last thing i want to say is:
92 hp / 2000lb car= .046hp per lb
135 hp (2.8) / 3200lb car =.0422hp per lb
FWD 5 speed (unless he's a good driver) = potential traction issues
RWD auto = small if any traction issues
all your doing is saying the little honda has a better to weight ratio
but most ppl don't see it as hp per pound but rather pounds per horsepower
honda = 21.7 pounds per horsepower
thirdgen = 23.7 pounds per horsepower or even if you go a little lighter and say the thirdgen is 3000lbs it's now at
22.2 pounds per horsepower
honda still wins the power to weight ratio :-p so go ahead and take your 40 extra horsepower even though it gives you worse power to weight
and also with only 92 horsepower I doubt there is going to be much of a traction loss there.... the honda if it does more then chirp the tires I would be shocked hahaha
still agree though on one thing the owner of the car is stupid. his car is beat up (though prolly weighs less as said before with therust) prolly isn't running right and with full power
Originally posted by 85f-bird i'd have a hard time believing that a stock CRX is under 2000 lbs, as getting a shelby cobra there is about average, but that's talking a small car w/ a fiberglass body, aluminum v8, and aluminum floors etc, on a tube steel frame. And yes, they're basically "stripped out" , they touch 2k, not a full grocery getter.
my honda is at 2016lbs and is larger then the crx by a decent amount. think about it even though the body might be metal on these cars... there is nothing to the. they are designed for fuel economy so the more you skimp the lower it cost to produce the car and the better gas mileage you get out of them
one last post and I don't mean to offend anyone here by my previous comments or the one that is comming
but man this would be a race I would love to watch
again no offence but two slow as hell cars going at it in a race is always funny to watch. both drivers looking agressive and mean while there whole 92-135hp churning away in mad if I'm lucky I might spin the tires if I hit some rocks fasion, and the power shifts man the power shifts 13 miles between shifts maybe but that power shift might net you that extra few inches you need to win the race
but again don't take offence cause if you all knew what I was driving you would laugh your arse off and btw you both could smoke me
I could beat any v6 camaro unless its been supercharged.
with my 89 Celica GTS celica 2.0 3sge engine.
Once the TVIS kicks in shes up and over 6000 rpms she
pulls hard in any gear.
2500 pound car with stock 139 hp few mods
got it up to 165. JDM headers 2 1/2 catback
clocked afm, cold air intake. rip out a/c and back seats.
Camaro is just to heavy.
Its as long and as wide as my MPV mini van!
and it only accomodates 2 people comfortably. the rear seats
are history so is a/c smog etc..
To bad GM didnt scale down the Camaro say
to the size of the 1988 Supra 3.0 turbo wicked car!
Then the Camaro would be around 3000 pounds.
In my opinion if it was smaller like a mustang with the same
body lines it would of been the best car of
that time period.
Appearance wise the car is right up there with any car
back then or now. Its a cool looking ride.
And a fun car to mod if you got a second job
mine's not supercharged. i'll race anybody, even if i know i'm gonna get beat in the long run.... what's your celica run?
__________________ used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4
I never took it to a track I only raced
from light to light sometimes and late night on the highway.
I got pulled over racing a new Black Impala
The guy stayed with me going 90 on the vanwyck
and jackie robinson.
Then pulled me over when I exited
was a cop!
cam, bored +.030", high compression (customs pistons), 1.6 rockerss, port work, headers, underdrive pullies,..., and the new McKinney Racing prototype intake manifold and throttle body. i couldn't run sub 15 until the first time out with the prototype manifold. oh yeah, high stall convertor, 3.73 posi rear end, too...2.05 60' on street tires.
__________________ used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4
You could take me with your setup.
I cant be in the 14s with this car.
I would have to get the turbo cylinder heads
from the all trac ported with the injectors.
put me around 185 hp I would be in the 14s
Then if I get 9 lb rims from ARP 300 bucks a piece
and underdrive crank pulley and performance
cam pulleys. 13s yeah Im dreamin again.!
Your looking to gas it now I can feel it
13s
goodluck sweet setup
3rd gens in the 13's are terribly uncommon, mod the TPI 350, and you've got a good starting point, as those should be high 14's from the factory.
Then there are the guys who swap to the Lt1, or the others who go LS1...end result, low 13's and 12's all day long.
PS-
a v6 thirdgen weighs only a tad of 3000 lbs...about 3100-3200, not horrible, not great, but not that far off. And foxbody mustangs can be decieving, as they're NOT, light cars either...they're just small looking cause of that fugly hatch. LOL.
4th gens are about the same size as 3rd gens. my friend has a 96 z28 and our cars get parked next to each other a lot.
lol....lemme slap a turbo on mine (if i had lower compression, i would). i would bet on 13s! probably somewhere in the mid 13s on about 10psi. that's me dreaming though. but, some day it might happen.
__________________ used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4
I was looking at turbo setup on 3rd gen
running the full exhaust right out of
the turbo, in front of the engine?
have to go forward then back under
between engine and radiator?
no kit for it either you have to be in the know
big time.
On the celica turbo manifold theres 2 seperate bolt ons
one for the turbo and one for the exhaust.
there are a couple guys in the v6 community who've built their own turbocharger setups, think one has times, not sure what they were yet.
And i doubt the hatches are under 3k either, they're probably right at it, if not a tad over...they just look small, but really, they aren't...nor are they light. And yes, these cars aren't exactly small, infact they seem large, but they really aren't, mines just a tad longer than my roomates saturn.
In reality you only have to have about 1/3 to 1/2 a brain to make your own turbo kit. It's much easier than it looks once you know how a basic turbo set-up works. Don't let the piping and vacuum/oil lines turn you off. It's super easy.
To the guy talking about 13's on 10 pounds: Maybe if you only have a V6. I was running 15 psi on my stock Integra (170,000 miles. ) with 106 mph traps (good for low 13's if I had traction) at a mile above sea level. 10psi on a 350 would at least put you in the 12's no matter where you live I'm thinking. Even if you are as bad of a driver as me.
Originally posted by stu 10psi on a 350 would at least put you in the 12's no matter where you live I'm thinking. Even if you are as bad of a driver as me.
Some 350's you would be in the 10's with that
There is a twin turbo LS1 car in our club that runs 9.85 at 146mph
i love my 5 spd v6 camaro, got enough power for me and its fun to drive 
) with 106 mph traps (good for low 13's if I had traction) at a mile above sea level. 10psi on a 350 would at least put you in the 12's no matter where you live I'm thinking. Even if you are as bad of a driver as me. 
