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I have a 92 RS 305 5.0 TBI auto with a handfull of free mods and a few cheap ones. I get a call the other night from my friend saying their friend wants to race me in an 88 mustang 5.0. It's an auto and he said it had a 3.73 rear gear. I don't know a lot about 80's mustangs and haven't gotten a chance to race yet... How do you think I'd do?
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Last edited by Steve 92 RS; 04-03-2009 at 08:20 AM.
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TBI = dont bother trying, he has something like 60 solid horsepower more than you. If you were tpi manual you would have to drive perfect and he would have to screw up. Your car weighs about 300lbs. more.
The tbi and the 305 are a horrible combination. TBI is an awesome induction system for a truck though. The Mustang is a few seconds faster than your car, you're not going to win this one. I wouldn't even waste gas trying.
I have some airfilter work done, I expanded the element housing, put a bigger filet in, removed some tac welding blocking intake. I have an Edlebrock exhaust system. I'm getting a Hypertech chip soon and an Edlebrock performer air gap intake. I have a couple of other small things too. I removed the restricter plate on my cam, it was a roller rocker so I gained about 30 hp easy mod. I'm probably running at around 220 instead of 180 right now. I will probably still race the guy to see how I do though.
And you're right about the TBI for the 305. I'm probably going to convert it into a TPI or sequential fire when I get the time.
Last edited by Steve 92 RS; 08-07-2005 at 02:00 PM.
maybe everyone else missed that the Stang was an auto? hell still get beat, but not as badly as everyone says. an auto Stang with only 3.73 gears with an average driver should be a high 14 sec car. the autos really slow those 5.0s down
Originally posted by DevilsAddvocate am i the only one that read he took the restrictor plate off the cam
wtf is that
You can't really gain much power by 'fiddling with the air cleaners' yes it helps but it doesnt win races. There isn't anyway you putting out 220 hp. prob around 160 at the wheels.
Actually, you're probably making about 180 at the crank, up from 170 stock. That is assuming your car made 170 when you got it, and hadn't decreased it's power output due to poor maintenance and normal wear, which it most likely did.
But in any event, he'll probably run a high 14, low 15, being an auto (fox body autos sucked, nothing like our autos) and probably being thrashed on. Still faster than you. Don't bother trying.
I also have the Edlebrock exhaust system on it. I have beaten the 05 v6 Mustang. At around 80 i had 4 cars on him. My intake mod added at least 10 hp and I'm pretty sure I have 180 stock.
Originally posted by Steve 92 RS . My intake mod added at least 10 hp
Is this even close to true? I know that Camaros are different than what I'm used to, so I'm not sure whether to believe this or not. I know on any of the cars I've ever owned, you'd need, an intake, a header, a high flow cat, and a full exhaust, to get anywhere near a 10 whp gain.
Originally posted by stu Is this even close to true? I know that Camaros are different than what I'm used to, so I'm not sure whether to believe this or not. I know on any of the cars I've ever owned, you'd need, an intake, a header, a high flow cat, and a full exhaust, to get anywhere near a 10 whp gain.
Your kidding right? Intake, Header, Car, Full Exhaust on a TPI is worth about 30. Have you seen a stock manifold for an L98? It's ridiculous.
I doubt the trick intake setup would be worth more than 5 at the most..
Nope, not at all. I've seen dyno's of cars with an intake and a full exhaust making an extra 3 whp. Yep 3 horse power at the wheels.
That's why I'm always saying what a waste of time and money it is to go N/A with imports. For the cost it'd cost someone with the same car as me to swap a VTEC motor into the car, I about trippled my wheel horsepower.
Originally posted by stu Is this even close to true? I know that Camaros are different than what I'm used to, so I'm not sure whether to believe this or not.
Yea it is true. These cars have wasted displacement from the factory. LS1 cars will typically see nothing less than 40 at the wheels with nothing more than a full exhaust with longtube headers. Even a full exhaust on weaker 3rd gens will net 15+ at the wheels.
The reason why you don't see gains like that on most N/A 4 cylinder cars is because they have pretty good intakes/exhaust right from the factory. The manufactuer doesn't have to restrict the intake/exhuast to keep the power numers at a pre-determind set value. Companys that use the same engine for for than one platform also have to do this to preserve their power rating for their bread and butter car. If the vette didn't exist the F-body would have not been so underrated/restricted. A stock M6 LS1 f-body will put more power to the wheels than a vette with the same engine. On paper GM disguises that with their advertised power ratings. So they choke the motor down a bit so that it makes less power. GM only really did this in the last 20 years with the F-body and vette. For the most part its 4 and 6 cylinder cars have numbers close to their ratings with properly sized intakes and exhausts. They will do anything to protect the image of the vette.
He drove a boosted honda that ran 13.8's a mile above sea level. It would have probably run low 13's at sea level had it not blown up . I believe he is still in limbo about what he wants to do with his next car.
Stu, GM restricted as stated all f-body engines that were the same as the Corvettes engine. Notice how on the intake the maf doesn't flow all to well the intake itself is rather small, and I believe that the Corvette and the f-body got different plenums.(Don't know how true that is.) But the throttlebody flows 650cfm. Get the hint. Here is a stock setup 305 G92... Makes about 230hp maybe a little more(240hp max) my exhaust got blown out.
Yeah I know I have posted this pic a few times but it shows the engine nicely.
Originally posted by DevilsAddvocate decently fast...for a honda anyway
For a Honda with 170,000 miles on a completely bone stock motor, with no suspension mods, no drive train mods (i.e. I didn't put an LSD in or anything, it was the stock open differential...peg leg burn outs) no tranny mods (had 4:10 final ratio from the factory though), not even on sticky tires. I had almost the cheapest tires that I could buy. Oh yeah, speaking of tires, stock 14 inch wheels as well, I even had hubcaps. I also had low grade engine management, no full stand alone. A full 3 inch exhaust probably would have put me over 300whp, well, that, and not leaking boost pressure through my 15 year old rings. You know, it was just a cheap, mild set-up, nothing like this:
That guy has a nice setup, how much money did he spend, any idea? That turbo was pretty loud and it osunded pretty mean.....It woulda been better if it was a 1G DSM though
In any case, Stu's car was damn quick for what it was...a cheap, mild turbo build up. He didnt go all out, cause if he did, it still be running
As for mileage, I chuckle about this all the time. My Mustang has 228k on the stock shortblock...mind you its from the factory forged but it still knocked down 9.3's in the 1/8th (mid 14's) through a straw ghetto'd up exhaust, blown rear shocks, bald street tires, stock poo clutch and full street trim only thing done was Hurst shifter and fiberglass hood....even has the spare. Im looking for 8.8's with 3.73's, DR's, DF Clutch, Bassani X-pipe into FlowMaster 2 chambers, smog delete, new shocks...if it doesnt hit it, it is for sale immediately, grrrrrr.
I have a hard time believeing the originally poster. Maybe its some of the rediculous claims he is spitting out, like restrictor plates, 10 rwhp gains, 30 rwhp gains, yet has NO track times or dyno numbers to prove anything! I had a stock auto with 3.73s and the car ran high 14s at a crappy track. Probably had a mid 14 in it at a good track. Never assume the other guys car will run the slowest number possible, always assume him to be the fastest possible, then hope it doesnt!
Stus car wasnt just decent it was very fast. It would have walked most of the thirdgens on this site. It probably had less money into it, and got better gas mileage too...
In the end the original poster sounds like hes spewing a lot of fictional blown up numbers to make us say he will win the race. If thats all he wants, then sure you will win. Now that your happy, someone thinks your going to win, the race will most likely never happen like all the rest and we wont have to worry about it anymore!
Originally posted by stu Nope, not at all. I've seen dyno's of cars with an intake and a full exhaust making an extra 3 whp. Yep 3 horse power at the wheels.
That's why I'm always saying what a waste of time and money it is to go N/A with imports. For the cost it'd cost someone with the same car as me to swap a VTEC motor into the car, I about trippled my wheel horsepower.
Your retarded, we aint talking about a sh!tty vtec.. our v8s will do alot more good with headers
So last night I call my friend to see if her friend can come meet me somewhere to race. We meet up in a parking lot and head to a nice 2 lane road. We get to a light and I still don't know what to think beacuse of all the mixed feedback. His car doesn't sound as nice as mine but it's better than most mustangs. It goes green and we hit it. It was pretty even untill about 30 then he pulled away from me about 2 car lenghts untill 60. He stopped pulling away and I caught up to him at 80! I had a car lenght on him at 95 and we ended it at 100.
Originally posted by 87TPI350KID Your retarded, we aint talking about a sh!tty vtec.. our v8s will do alot more good with headers
A lot more good with headers eh? Retarded?
Anyway, that's why I was asking if what this guy was saying was anywhere near correct you super genius! I know the unbelievable gains that are possible on 'our v8s' due to the unbelievably unfinished engineering.
Originally posted by Steve 92 RS I have some airfilter work done, I expanded the element housing, put a bigger filet in, removed some tac welding blocking intake. I have an Edlebrock exhaust system. I'm getting a Hypertech chip soon and an Edlebrock performer air gap intake. I have a couple of other small things too. I removed the restricter plate on my cam, it was a roller rocker so I gained about 30 hp easy mod. I'm probably running at around 220 instead of 180 right now. I will probably still race the guy to see how I do though.
And you're right about the TBI for the 305. I'm probably going to convert it into a TPI or sequential fire when I get the time.
Is anyone else as confused as me? This kid has no idea what he's saying. Expanded element housing? Restrictor plate on the cam? Roller Rocker Cam? Dude, first things first is you gotta crawl before you can walk. Which means studying up about you car a little, seeing what it is and isn't capable of doing. And in this case, you will not win, and if you said you pulled 2 cars from 60-80 with a pretty much stock Lo3 you must have been dreaming. Also, take the time to read up on the boards and do things right...learn!!! Saying crap like expanding your element housing and removing your cam restrictor plate makes you look pretty stupid and adds to the already tainted stereotype that thirdgen owners have. Do yourself a favor and search for "Open Element" and "Hypertech" and see which mod is actually worth while. Also, above all, realize what you got and work up from there, and what you have right now is a combination of the most restrictive parts GM has ever placed on a small back v8 that will have trouble running with a newer Civic Si.
__________________ 1991 rs Camaro. Jasper 350(bored .040 over) B&M Megashifter, Open air element w/ K&N, 3 " Harwood cowl hood, Heddman headers into hi-flow cat into 3 inch flowmaster , stock tbi with vafpr and 65pph injectors. Caprice cop car computer chip. SLP posi with 3.42's out back,Tranny Cooler.
Best 1/8 mile to date: 9.752@71mph
***Sold to my little brother**** http://www.cardomain.com/id/cas0484
***The new ride***
1994 25th Anniversary Trans Am(Car #1232), A4, T-tops, 160 thermostat, 1le elbow,TB airfoil, K&N FIPK, Jet hot coated Mac headers w/y pipe, Borla cat back,Flowtech Cutout, Lt4 KM, Delteq Opti-Direct Ignition System
Best(and only) 1/8 mile to date:
8.801@80mph with a crappy 2.1 60'on street tires. http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/801396
I think it's run its course. But on a side note, I think I might try to put my car on the road again eventually. I wanted something else, but I've already got a perfectly good shell to work with that's already paid off. This thread just made me miss my car.
Originally posted by Steve 92 RS So last night I call my friend to see if her friend can come meet me somewhere to race. We meet up in a parking lot and head to a nice 2 lane road. We get to a light and I still don't know what to think beacuse of all the mixed feedback. His car doesn't sound as nice as mine but it's better than most mustangs. It goes green and we hit it. It was pretty even untill about 30 then he pulled away from me about 2 car lenghts untill 60. He stopped pulling away and I caught up to him at 80! I had a car lenght on him at 95 and we ended it at 100.
So let me get this straight...he took you off the line(believable) yet you pulled on him up top with a LO3? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right dude. So in the length(feet wise) it took you to go 30-40mph you ended up traveling 3 car lengths faster than him?(2 back, then one in front).
I'm not one to normally throw the flag up around here but I find this VERY hard to believe.
Good kill I guess....if it's true.
EDIT: **** didn't see cas0484's response. I read the race results and immediate had to respond
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that's because most of the people on this board realize that an LO3 is only competition for an early 90's honda, not a 5.0 Mustang GT.
Some kids think that because it's "V8 American Muscle," although I'd hardly call a stock - stockish 305 'Muscle,' it's infallible. The real truth is that most of today's family cars made by Honda would stomp the crap out of an LO3 by probably a good second in the quarter.
Off topic, but since this thread is stupid anyways...Urbanhunter I noticed you also have a 25th Bird. Just wonderin if you have a website on it with mods/pics. I love finding other 25th owners and seeing how their cars are coming along. Also, have been able to find a company that does replacement leather seat covers that are as close to OEM as possible?
__________________ 1991 rs Camaro. Jasper 350(bored .040 over) B&M Megashifter, Open air element w/ K&N, 3 " Harwood cowl hood, Heddman headers into hi-flow cat into 3 inch flowmaster , stock tbi with vafpr and 65pph injectors. Caprice cop car computer chip. SLP posi with 3.42's out back,Tranny Cooler.
Best 1/8 mile to date: 9.752@71mph
***Sold to my little brother**** http://www.cardomain.com/id/cas0484
***The new ride***
1994 25th Anniversary Trans Am(Car #1232), A4, T-tops, 160 thermostat, 1le elbow,TB airfoil, K&N FIPK, Jet hot coated Mac headers w/y pipe, Borla cat back,Flowtech Cutout, Lt4 KM, Delteq Opti-Direct Ignition System
Best(and only) 1/8 mile to date:
8.801@80mph with a crappy 2.1 60'on street tires. http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/801396
Originally posted by 25thmustang Umm Id see maybe 2-4 rwhp with headers over my stockers. Dont group ALL V8s together!
Well, I was talking about a full exhaust/intake system. Obviously your not going to make 30 hp on headers alone, but in all fairness, 5.0 mustangs came with ALOT better flowing headers from the factory.
I assumed you meant all our V8s, which would include me...
And full exhaust and intake is a lot more than just saying we do better with headers. I really only have exhaust and intake bolt ons, coupled with a set of valves in the heads, and it runs alright, so I know a bit about what they "can" do!
Originally posted by cas0484 Off topic, but since this thread is stupid anyways...Urbanhunter I noticed you also have a 25th Bird. Just wonderin if you have a website on it with mods/pics. I love finding other 25th owners and seeing how their cars are coming along. Also, have been able to find a company that does replacement leather seat covers that are as close to OEM as possible?
No, I'm going to have to go to a local place to get my seats re-done. I'll have them re-leathered.
I don't have a site yet, but I can send you all the pics you want haha.
It's just a cat delete, 3" bullet muffler exhaust, airfoil ($5 why not) free mods and some weight reduction right now. I'm also working on the suspension too. Just put in new KYB GR-2s. I've done the optispark, plugs, wires, water pump, fuel filter, tranny filter, front windshield, lights and bulbs, side pillar birds, rear PONTIAC stickers, new Nitto tires, new head unit, 4 new infiniti speakers, two new Pyle of sh!t subs, a new amp, installation and amp kit, custom plate - SLOW TA, heater hoses, belts, had an exhaust leak fixed, numerous squeaks and rattles, $500 worth of car cleaning products and counting.. blah blah.. so I havn't had much time/money to mod her.
Have you found a way to get these wheels clean??? OMFG. Mag cleaner from eagle one works okay but omg they're dirty and stained still. And do you know where to get new center caps?
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Last edited by urbanhunter44; 08-10-2005 at 09:34 PM.
Thanks! I specifically looked for an auto because it's a daily driver (when it's not broken) and I drag race it. The driver's seat has a cancer tear in it from people getting in and out.
Originally posted by urbanhunter44 Thanks! I specifically looked for an auto because it's a daily driver (when it's not broken) and I drag race it. The driver's seat has a cancer tear in it from people getting in and out.
they only made like 700 of those! That thing would be sitting in my garage with my low mileage Z28! LOL keep her clean man, i love that interior! How many miles?
. I believe he is still in limbo about what he wants to do with his next car. 
Um... ok. Pretty much makes no sense at all, but good kill... I guess.
Seats look mint to me! To bad its not a 6 speed 
Still one fine ride you got there 
