Quote: Originally posted by Hodge I got a 383 for that mustang. oh wait. you blew up the mustang. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha POS FORD I got another Mustang sitting at the house for you. Its the car I pilot. Just a stock motor, Explorer heads, Cobra intake and some work... Car mphs higher, and on DRs runs low 12s.

Go get em Brian

I'm betting with his long tubes and true duals that he (Hodge) would eat your mustang up.

Hold on, I'm going to blow the dust off my old MJ records and play "I'm Bad" while I think of you in that Mustang

Im betting on a set of slicks the stock bottem end, stock cammed Explorer headed car would run well into the 11s. No fear, its taken down its fair share of bigger motored cars!

Yeah, just gotta defend the POS Ford comments, when it doesnt take strokers, big cams, and insane heads to run 11s on them.

I can understand wanting to defend the POS ford comment,but don't think it takes huge cams or insane heads for a SBC to run 11's.There is an 85 camaro with a 383(yes I know a stroker) it has stock vortecs(a factory head if you didn't know)with a small .450 lift hydraulic cam at my local track that runs 11.3 @118. Of course he has a race weight of 2900lbs that helps him get there.You could add 600 lbs tho and still have a low 12 second car with a very mild motor.

Just between the 2 of us, what are you smoking?

You must really really like fords to believe yourself with that statement...But If you can in fact get a (at best 330 hp-fly with that combo) 5.0 m ustang in street trim to go into deep 11's, you need to work for John Force racing or something. You need to tell my 5.0 m ustang racing buddies how its done cause some have better combos than what you just described and they are no where near that.

Thats sad for them, as the car is sitting in my garage as we speak. Went 12.1 last season on slicks (12.5 on Drag Radials) and this year has been 12.2 in crappy weather on Drag Radials and will have 11s very soon if not the next event.

Take a look at my car, plenty of heads cam and intake cars have gone down to it, plenty of times. All your friends dont know what they are doing with these cars would be my guess. I know what the cars can and will do with the right owner and parts, its you GMs guys that live through your friends, who probably hit the track 2 times a year!

PS the car only made 293 rwhp, but uses every bit of it to get down the track!

Only thing I smoke is the guy in the other lane... (I had to say it)

You have changed alot of things on your car since you last updated your web page in april 05. You need to post some of those low 12's time slips and actually try to enlarge them up abit so someone can read them on your site. If your ever in chicago area next summer, I would like to do a few runs against your car. With gentlemans bets of course.

Hey I've been to the track 3 times this year and going a fourth next friday If you ever do make it to the Chitown area let me know too. I'll drive down and let you see if you can handle my heads and cammed smallblock

This is my fathers car with the GT-40s that runs low 12s. Mines just a stock headed daily driver that goes mid 12s, nothing special ! I probably wont be out in the Chicago area, unless Im there for a national race. Feel free to come to a track Im at, but youd be hardpressed to race as they are usually if not only Mustang races.

Just had to point out the fact you call them POS Fords, yet they hold their own against the GM counterparts, and I for one have yet to see an Fbody with similar mods to one of our cars run close to what they run! Not bashing anyone or any car, but the ones that run the times, usually have big cams, strokers, and such...

The only time you would ever hear me call a ford especially a 5.0 stang a POS is if I were joking around with a friend that owned one.5.0 stangs are a much better starting point than a 3rd gen for building a street strip car.Mod for mod tho the 3rd gens are cathcing up.With good intakes like the HSR,SuperRam and the miniram.The factory also has some good heads like the vortecs and the aluminum corvette heads.Combine all that with DIY tuning and you can have a pretty quick 3rd gen using factory parts.The real down side is the price. Its much cheaper and easier to score some good after market heads toss in a radical cam with an aluminum intake and 750 DP and some 4.10 gears.

HA HAAAA

Sounds like something I would say.

well I think that is the problem. they don't know what they are doing.

most mustang owners here modd the hell out of them and can't keep up with your times, same with the f-body crowd most don't even moddify them much less know how to do it right when they do

Your right, you didnt but the guy I quoted and posted that comment to did, and I was more or less showing him his POS Ford statement was kind of lame. Kind of like I wouldnt call any GM a POS, he shouldnt call a car that could easily be faster than his with less work a POS!

I know most Mustang guys dont know what they are doing, but there are those guys who do. Even though BS gets called a lot, Im glad Im not one of those guys who cant run the number!

Well I dont know who your directing the comment about who is calling fords POS's cause I have never said such a thing, What my point is that your claim that a 330 hp engine can propel a 3200+ lbs mustang in the 1/4 mile into deep 11's. I dont think that is physically possible, no matter how good of a driver you are or how good of a tire you use. This insn't about what brand your engine is or make of the car is, it is about a matter of physics. That is what I see as

True true. I've never seen it done.

Have you ever dynoed your car 25th?

one thing I can say is 25thmustang is FAR from BS, nor are the time he claims. There comes a point and time in racing where you get the m,ost out of your combo and it shows. There are variables in all ET calculators, though they may be close and good for a ROUGH estimate there are always acceptions. Take his daily driver for example. Full weight car, last I knew 265ish rwhp (correct me if I am wrong Brian) stock cam, stock milled heads, stock bottom end, cobra intake and running mid 12's. No ET calculator is gonna come back with them numbers. Fact of the matter is thats what the car runs. Now I got friends with supercharged, heads cam and intake cars running the same times. Scary to know what a car like that will do with some one like 25thmustang

I will say this, when I mean deep 11s, I mean 11.7-11.8s, which for a stock bottem end stock cammed car is fast. So far it has been 12.25 @ 111.9 on a set of DRs with a 1.80 60' in so so weather. Put it on a better track, on a better tire, allow the car to rev (cars amazing, stock cam and it revs to the limiter without hesitation and would still take a few more RPM) and Im willing to bet money its "well" into the 11s. Just with that mph alone it should be in the 11s (friends of ours go 11s on 110 mph traps) and with the shorter tire, more gear and such the mph should go up. Me and my dad try not to be the average weekend racers, we go through all the steps to get the most out of the car. Know the right gears tires, etc... to get the best times. But having a stock bottem end car, with a stock cam going in the 11s is fun.

PS: my car when it went 12.56 had 265 rwhp, 306 rwtq. It had a honed bottem end in it and made 272 rwhp 316 rwtq, but I wasnt able to get some passes on the slicks. It did however trap 107-108 on radials, where the 265 rwhp set up only traps in the 105-106 mph range!

Also my dads car only made 293 rwhp, on a 100 degree day. I have heard the SAE or whatever calculations they do should account for that but I would say on a cold day the cars over 300 rwhp. Plus the powerband on this car is kind of scary. Most 5.0s drop off at 5500 and are making nothing near 6000. This car is starting to drop off, but never really does. We shift it (yes its a 100% stock cam) at 6100 because of the 6250 limiter. This is on a 28" tire, with a 27 were going to try it out, and then throw a 26 on it, and an extender and shift it at 6300 or so, and see how that goes!

Im telling you all this not to take over the site, make it a Mustang thing, but to prove the fact that we dont just have a few thrown together 5.0s, put our hats on backwards and go pimp the ladies. We wrench on the cars and spend lots of time and effort to make the combo go fast. Im not so much a perfectionist as my dad but I do it to an extent. Just to give an example his car with the combo he has (other little things) started off in the 12.8s @ 105. Before this past winter we really did very little and knocked it down to a 12.1 @ 110. Thats 7 tenths with tuning, seat time, getting the right tires, and little things!

I may have to eat my words then, Maybe its just that I have been made skeptical and jaded by the common know it all "Super Racer" on typical car forums. I am new on this perticular board and have not experianced all of 25thmustangs input into TGO. It is rare for me to run into someone on a forum that does less talking and more racing and getting their combos to work. It does sound like you and your father know what they are doing so, I apologize for the skeptisim. It will be amazing if you guys do manage to break into the 11's with a stock cammed 5.0 though. That has to very rare.

Its cool, and Im not one to make anyone eat their words. I dont mind people calling BS and such, I just ask that they read what I have to say and remember the average Mustang owner is a moron, or punk kid with no experience. Granted that was me when I was 16 and had my car running in the 14s. But I got involved with some heads up racers, learned a little, and since then we have done what a lot of the other people we hang out with said wasnt possible.

Its funny because if you look at Mustang racing on a big level (NMRA) they have a class for cars like this. GT-40 heads, stock cams, and all the bolt ons and trick suspension stuff. The cars run 11.4-11.8 @ 112-118 mph. This was our inspiration and we actually had intentions of running in NMRA events till my brother went in the hospital all summer.

I try to contribute here, but the most I can do is help on Mustang stuff. I dont know a lot about the thirdgen stuff, but do know more than your average guy. I hate sounding like I preach, but sometimes I hate when people make comments about what Mustangs can and cant do, yet have never even sat in one! We own 4, have owned 10+ are buying another soon, have wrenched on 20+, and I will actually be piloting a 10.0 @ 130 stick car in a few weeks! Mustangs are the one thing I do know!

No hard feelings, I appologize for taking up so much of the screen with ramblings!

25th, Hodge is my roommate. He absolutely depsises my car and says no matter what I do, I cant beat him......which is why Im modding liek I am now.....He thinks Im smoking crack when I say high 12's N/A and on the juice low 12's....Im hoping for more but Ill just have to tune a little and go from there.

We are having our bi-annual Bash at BeechBend next Saturday and Ive already said I wanted to race him, just for kicks and giggles isnce we are good friends. However, he keeps saying Ill never beat him....and I never said I would arrgghhhh....With the 125 NX jets in, Im gunning for low 12's so hopefully I can hit it. I figure timing will be around 10* since Ill only use the Nitrous occassionally with 1 step colder plugs in.

Anyways, he's hated my car since Day 1 and now Ive got to show him what a REAL 5.0 can do....not some wimpy *** 305, this is 306 par all the way

I just hate brand loyalty no matter who has it. There are pros and cons of all cars...

Im the same way now. I used to be all Chevy but once I saw geared/exhaust 5.0's running high 8's in the 1/8th, I stepped back and looked at it. I repsect both ford and Chevy but Im a bigger Chevy fan. Id love to get an SN95 5.0 car since I liek the look of them but they still have good old pushrod power

its too bad most people don't know how to get the potential from their cars.

I'm personally gunning to hit 12.9s with tires, gears, catback and some slight tuning by me. Course I still weigh 3750 lbs at raceweight, so there's alot of potential just from weight loss.

Everyone settle down. TBI is my roomate and I was just giving him a little friendly ribbing. Wasn't trying to start a war. I do the same thing to him on our local boards and noone gets all bent out of shape cause they know who we are. I'm not a ford hater but if your roomate owned the rival to your car wouldn't you have to give him crap about it.

Hodge

Here is a little something that shows chevys also dont need fancy heads or strokers to get into deep 11's. Old reliable

A consistant 11.20 car with a stock z28 302 sbc and a stock steel body.
8200 rpm shift points on a stock valve train!

holy crap 5.38 gears! i dont even know where to buy those lol

A great example of a car used to it's maximum potential!

HOLY CRAP!!! stamped steel rockers @ 8200 rpms?!?!?!

Factory carb?!? Ok now i want one! Jeebus man... thats one crazy sob...

Hah we had a shop car (just so happened to be a 90 fox body) with the ford equivalent (i dunno 5.32) or something gears... By the time you let the clutch halfway out in 1st gear your already grabbing 2nd...

Apparently its an ex roadrace car...

You can make stock heads/cam 5.0's rip 12's easily with bolt ons, no suspension mods...check out 25th's car. I believe the record for stock heads/cam is 11.40's or 11.80's....been awhile since I looked but its damn impressive on an 80's smogger motor.

Actually a friend of mine went 11.20s @ 120+ on E7 heads. I have seen 11.80s out of E7s, stock intake and stock cam, and high 11s on unported stock heads, stock intake, and a cam!

I like seeing cars that use their full potential. Anyone can spend money to go fast, takes skill to go fast with less!

This is the excuse most poor people use.
You can't just throw money at a car and expect instant speed. It doesn't always work like that.

Poor people? Im sorry I dont make triple digits. I work my *** off for my money and pay my bills and then whats left goes into my cars. Its called "matching parts" I see tons of cars out there that have heads and cams that dont match and run like total ***. Buying big expensive parts doesnt make you fast....I like spending less to go fast...that way I can spend the money I DIDNT waste on other performance parts or items I like (gauges, seats, wheels, body panels, axles, rear ends, tranny's, etc).

25th's car is my inspiration to make my Mustang quick. He's done bolt ons and hasnt otuched his cam or suspension and can give a C5 a run for its money in a heartbeat and he's still N/A on a good old pushrod 302 cubic inch motor.....nothing fancy, just normal bolt ons. And yet you know theres SO MUCH MORE potential in his car with suspension, cam, heads, etc that hasnt even been unlocked.

Whether you liek it or not, Ford got it right with the 302....it revs quick, can make great power N/A, and has a HUGE aftermarket that keeps modding cheap and easy. Chevy made the 305 and its been proven its better left in the junkyards....I tried ubilding a 305 thinking it oculd be like the legendary 302/5.0 HO but sadly, it doesnt even come close. A 302 can be pushed just as far as a 350 and when you need more cubes, stroke ito ut to a 331 or 347 and keep on rolling into quicker ET's.

Tell that to the 347, Heads cam intake car I walked a car and a half on this past weekend. Makes me feel good my weak motored car can hang with people like that! I spent 1/8th what he has in the car and took him without much effort!

Im poor, Im in college, own 2 cars and have bills to pay. Yes Id rather run mid 12s for a few thousand dollars, than mid 12s for $15,000.

Well put, well said and I totally agree.

Sounds like a pretty decnet dd... My dd while I'm at college is a 96 T-bird w/ 4.6... I can't race anybody. lol.

Oh and 79Vette- I've seen your car up at Gary & Shick a few times. I think you were there when a fight started between a guy on a Harley and some Greek guy with a Blackbird

actually its not my daily anymore, its my weekend/play car. I sold the Camaro and am now 100% Mustang for awhile till I get the 5.0 outta my system lol.

Yea I've stopped by that hang out a few times. I missed that fight though, never saw it. I usually did my racing up in Batavia or Aurora. That spot was crawling with cops. I think I remember spotting you and talking abit about your car and asked you about your opinion on some exhaust systems on the 91 camaro. I told you about how I was building up my buddies Black 91 RS. That car turned out really nice for keeping it a stock 305 bottom end. Unfourtunatly I have gone off to college and will not be back in the area until late july next year. I last heard that they were arresting people at that spot.

Yeah that spot is ****ed.. I never liked it. We usually go to strats or corners now... But yeah I'm at college now so no racing for me.

I've seen cars with big blocks stripped out not street legal full race cars. guess what they run. I've seen them go into the 9's yeah but have seen quite a few that are in the 12's,13's, hell even seen a few running low 14's


agai nthese cars are stripped interior, big block open headers, steep gears, slicks full out track car. to run a 13 seems sad. even more so for those that still have to break out of the 14's

yu da man


I have a friend like that. he thinks cause he owns a camaro he can't like ford. he refuses to even sit in a mustang. took him forever to take a ride in my pos maverick. all because it was a ford. ford sucks right cause he owns a chevy.


it's one thing to like your car and stick to your type of car but another to have blind loyalty

all the mechanics i know hate to work on fords. So with that in mind, i'll never buy a ford either...

and your friend has a problem if he wont sit in another type of car. they dont bite.

Thats funny, my friend is a mechanic and hates working on GM, and another friend works at a body chape and also curses most GMs. It depends on who you know, and the kid at the body shop owns a Camaro and a Mustang now and has owned 3 Mustangs and 2 Camaros and his Blazer!

Ford, GM, etc etc. Every car maker has certain model cars that are a pain in the *ss to work on.

i agree...

you guys have it easy. nobody wants to touch my car.
I tried getting a header put on. most people wouldn't touch it because it was a rotary. they all told me sorry I don't know anything about those motors. one guy even told me those cars never run right and I don't want to put a header on there when it will prolly just run even worse and die. some refused to do it cause they thought the header was too large (2" primaries).
one time I was having problems with the clutch same thing people didn't want to touch it cause it was a rotary motor. now tell me what the hell does a clutch have to do with the car being a rotary? I was refused a muffler from a shop cause it was a rotary. they don't know anything about rotaries don't want to work on them.


you guys suck


but yeah I Say every car has it's own quirks.

TBI92Camaro just be glad this didn't happen to your car http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....1BD5FBDD33&p=0
I think it might of been a little worse possibly