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Originally posted by Mad-Mic you could order this car from GM but since it was built out of house i guess it didn't make the car mags as the quickest GM car for 87
the GNX was also built out of house (remember McLaren?), but people want to see the Vette lose so badly theyll give any advantage to the opposing car
They suck those mags. I swear i never trust mags. 13.4s for a Callaway vette my ***.. These things run better then that. They even tested a 89 Corvette with the new ZF 6 speed and it ran 14.8s. Bunch of cruddy drivers.
Vettes are always quick but the have a lot of traction/balance issues in some years. A lot of people that don't know how to drive one properly will line up next to an f-body and think it's in the bag just to see the f-body hit third before they have things under control. (Usually these are the guys with the comeovers and fat wallets that have rarely seen inside there own hood comparment.)
Originally posted by 1BADDAM They did........ Callaway lost. Plus < 200 units doesn't qualify it as a production vehicle.
look before you take me the wrong way i'm not giving anything up on the GNx cars at all but with that said that article is BOGUS! a compentent driver with nearly a 400/500 car STOCK is going to smoke a GNx all day long. HP/Torque #'s don't lie. add slicks to both cars and 2 compentent drivers and see what happens. it would be the B2k by 5 cars. i've personally seen a stock 87 callaway run 13.0's at 110 mph spinning thru 3rd gear with a mediocre driver! i know several B2k owners and been in their cars and they pull like no GN i've been in stock for stock that is.
200 cars don't qualify for production? to me if i can walk into a GM dealership and check off the B2k and it's delivered like that back in 87 to me thats production from the factory although it was built outside of the factory like many mcclarens, roushes, slp, and many other cars that you can by from the factory already done.
Originally posted by tpivette89 alls that mag test proves is that they couldnt drive the Callaway worth a crap. theres no way an almost 400hp/500tq Vette only traps 106mph. the boosted Vette was an easy mid 12 sec car at at least 110mph. people have proved this on www.corvetteforum.com with stock examples at the strip
BTW still have the 93? did you ever sell the 89? haven't heard from you in ages! hope all is well on the home front! i still have my 87. bought an 85 TA with a 400 sbc in it along with a few other things. hoping to buy a 96 blown LT4 in the next month or so.
Originally posted by nick418 They suck those mags. I swear i never trust mags. 13.4s for a Callaway vette my ***.. These things run better then that. They even tested a 89 Corvette with the new ZF 6 speed and it ran 14.8s. Bunch of cruddy drivers.
that pretty much sums it up! sorry fella's but the General WOULD NOT BUILD ANOTHER CAR FASTER/QUICKER THAN THE CORVETTE! sorry but this is a fact of life since the vette is the marque of GM high performance. with that being said the answer to the GNx from the General was the Callaway B2k. every mag i have seen listed the B2k quicker than the GNx by atleast 1 tenth. that is the first article i've seen that states otherwise and to me it only shows the incompentent of the driver NOT the car.
Originally posted by Mad-Mic look before you take me the wrong way i'm not giving anything up on the GNx cars at all but with that said that article is BOGUS! a compentent driver with nearly a 400/500 car STOCK is going to smoke a GNx all day long. HP/Torque #'s don't lie. add slicks to both cars and 2 compentent drivers and see what happens. it would be the B2k by 5 cars. i've personally seen a stock 87 callaway run 13.0's at 110 mph spinning thru 3rd gear with a mediocre driver! i know several B2k owners and been in their cars and they pull like no GN i've been in stock for stock that is.
200 cars don't qualify for production? to me if i can walk into a GM dealership and check off the B2k and it's delivered like that back in 87 to me thats production from the factory although it was built outside of the factory like many mcclarens, roushes, slp, and many other cars that you can by from the factory already done.
Your links performance #'s for an 87 Callaway
13.2@108 for C&D
13.7@104 for R&T
Another test
Dec 05' GMHTP - 87 Callaway - 13.2 @ 106
So its a low 13 second car, just like the GNX, only at double the price. I don't know how 345 bhp becomes 400 but its your world.
Its still a tuner car, nonetheless, as it wasn't available in California, so no, not just anybody could go to their local GM dealership and check the B2K box.
500 units qualifies a vehicle as a production model. Thats why all 547 GNX's were the quickest US production vehicles for 1987
__________________ 89 TA 3.8 LC2
11.78 @ 117 1.86 60'
Originally posted by Mad-Mic BTW still have the 93? did you ever sell the 89? haven't heard from you in ages! hope all is well on the home front! i still have my 87. bought an 85 TA with a 400 sbc in it along with a few other things. hoping to buy a 96 blown LT4 in the next month or so.
i sold the 89' way back in June of 04' and the 40th anniversary followed in Dec that year. currently im Vetteless for now, but damn i miss them both! im kicking myself everyday for not keeping at least one
right now i have a GN im playing with (boost is fun!) and i have an 88' GTA with the 350TPI that im trying to get to match the performance my old 89' with. not much else is going on really... just working way to much and trying to make a decent living. cars have kinda taken a back seat in my life for the last year
Originally posted by tpivette89 alls that mag test proves is that they couldnt drive the Callaway worth a crap. theres no way an almost 400hp/500tq Vette only traps 106mph. the boosted Vette was an easy mid 12 sec car at at least 110mph. people have proved this on www.corvetteforum.com with stock examples at the strip
There was actually a Calloway that lived in the same town as me back then(Crofton, MD) I ran him a few times in my 84 HO Z28(13.89@103.xx but couldn't launch with an open rear). His was not that fast. From a light, he had me by two cars. From a 1st gear roll, it was dead even all the way to 100mph. Couldn't believe how slow that thing was but the mags were claiming crappy MPH times also. He didn't keep the car long because of how it ran. Ended up with a ZR1 I believe.
Originally posted by tpivette89 i sold the 89' way back in June of 04' and the 40th anniversary followed in Dec that year. currently im Vetteless for now, but damn i miss them both! im kicking myself everyday for not keeping at least one
right now i have a GN im playing with (boost is fun!) and i have an 88' GTA with the 350TPI that im trying to get to match the performance my old 89' with. not much else is going on really... just working way to much and trying to make a decent living. cars have kinda taken a back seat in my life for the last year
wow! i can't believe you sold the ruby! but understandable. you still with your girl? married yet? hit me up in a pm sometime!
Originally posted by TTA 1387 There was actually a Calloway that lived in the same town as me back then(Crofton, MD) I ran him a few times in my 84 HO Z28(13.89@103.xx but couldn't launch with an open rear). His was not that fast. From a light, he had me by two cars. From a 1st gear roll, it was dead even all the way to 100mph. Couldn't believe how slow that thing was but the mags were claiming crappy MPH times also. He didn't keep the car long because of how it ran. Ended up with a ZR1 I believe.
That was my only experience with one.
Either your used to seeing 10 sec cars (making a 13 sec car look mad slow) Or That guy couldnt really drive. A Calloway vette will/could hit a 13 sec flat in a 1/4. Go to corvetteforum. Youll see guys with calloways there.
Originally posted by nick418 Either your used to seeing 10 sec cars (making a 13 sec car look mad slow) Or That guy couldnt really drive. A Calloway vette will/could hit a 13 sec flat in a 1/4. Go to corvetteforum. Youll see guys with calloways there.
Point being, they weren't that fast when new. Something was holding them back. Programming? Don't know. Like I said, you never heard of a fast one back then. What they run now is and could be a different story.
Originally posted by TTA 1387 Point being, they weren't that fast when new. Something was holding them back. Programming? Don't know. Like I said, you never heard of a fast one back then. What they run now is and could be a different story.
Depends on the person. 13s to me isnt fast. But its a respectable number on the streets. A twin Turbo L98/ reg L98 hitting 13s/14s back in the 80s was a big deal. They were thinking about economy and saving gas and emissions and all this bogus crap. It was fast for those days. And a LC2 hitting 13s was amazing to with that small turbo on 231 V6 as well. In 1984 the corvette was the most improved automobile in the whole entire world. In 1985 Corvette was the fastest and had the best top speed for the US for a reasonable price compare to those Porsches and Lambos/ Ferraris. You have to think about the time period these cars came from. Yea now a days they aint fast. But they still damn cool.
this is an old vid maybe 3 years old but still a goodie!
Cars in the MIX:
Viper RT/10 Bolt ons
Twin Turbo Calloway C4 vette
c5 Z06 Bolt ons...possibly a small shot, im not sure about the cam or shot
and a LT4 C4
mods on the vette was alittle more boost, higher flowing intake (big mouth base, larger runners, ported plenum) and free flowing exhaust.
so i think the one you ran into was a dog or more than likely the driver didn't know how to drive it and was shifting at 6k thinking it was a race car when he should of been shifting at 5k.
Originally posted by Mad-Mic this is an old vid maybe 3 years old but still a goodie!
Cars in the MIX:
Viper RT/10 Bolt ons
Twin Turbo Calloway C4 vette
c5 Z06 Bolt ons...possibly a small shot, im not sure about the cam or shot
and a LT4 C4
mods on the vette was alittle more boost, higher flowing intake (big mouth base, larger runners, ported plenum) and free flowing exhaust.
so i think the one you ran into was a dog or more than likely the driver didn't know how to drive it and was shifting at 6k thinking it was a race car when he should of been shifting at 5k.
That's the point, it wasn't a dog. It was stock and ran exactly where all the magazines ran. The guy knew how to drive. He wasn't somebody that just happened to buy a vette because it had a couple of vents in the hood. They just didn't run that well stock.
As far as modding, I'm sure they'll make plenty of power as does any car that runs boost. For less than $100, I ran 12's in my TTA. So anything goes when modding boosted cars.
Originally posted by TTA 1387 That's the point, it wasn't a dog. It was stock and ran exactly where all the magazines ran. The guy knew how to drive. He wasn't somebody that just happened to buy a vette because it had a couple of vents in the hood. They just didn't run that well stock.
As far as modding, I'm sure they'll make plenty of power as does any car that runs boost. For less than $100, I ran 12's in my TTA. So anything goes when modding boosted cars.
Rob,
I understand where your coming from but i don't listen to magazine articles due to the fact they don't heat the tires, they don't prep the track, and the worst factor is the drivers that do these tests have NO seat time. as i stated before i've seen a 87 callaway run 13.0's - 13.2's myself BUT it was on street tires and he was an average driver and it never got traction till top of 3rd gear. even in the 87's they had nearly 500 lbs of torque. thats like saying my mildly modded bolt on 87 C4 that ran 13.1 @ 105 mph 2 years ago is as fast as a callaway with less HP and alot less torque
Mic has a good point. Magazines suck. Like i stated.. One magazine tested a 89 L98 vette with a 6 speed and it went 14.8s and one magazine tested a 85 vette with a doug nash and ran 14.4s... Obv the 89 is a better overall car with a better tranny as well. In 87 they tested a L98 camaro and ran 15.3s.. Another mag tested same car and ran 14.5s.. Magazines suck. They dont do any preperation with ****ty drivers. 0-60 mph for l98 in 7.x secs one mag said
By the way Mic. That was an awesome vid. Thanks for sharing. I wish i had a callaway. Maybe i'll add vents to my hood for my 86 vette and a twin turbo
You are right about Magazine testing and I usually don't go by anything they say but what I saw backed up what was written. You are also showing my point that stock, the Calloway didn't run that well. Something with that much power should be running a little better than 105 or so. My TTA didn't have the power of that car and still trapped the same mph. So it just doesn't add up.
Like I said, anything that's modded(especially boost) is going to change it big time. I have no problems with Calloways running 12's or better with just a few mods. Its stock performance of the day, which is my first hand experience, wasn't that great.
Originally posted by giovanhalen Those Calloways and GNX's weren't worth the extra money IMO.
maybe not but you can buy these cars now with less than 50k in milage for less than 25k. i know that sounds like an aweful lot of money for that old of a car but considering there was about 500 made and with about 3k in mods that car would be a BEAST!
good set of aftermarket heads 1400
blower roller cam 300-400
ported and extrude honed big mouth base/runners/plenum used 600 or so new 900?
remove the cats (if you don't have emissions) now the boost increases to 13 psi instead of 10 psi which i would think would be safe on a 7.5:1 compression ratio which would be about 187 extra fwhp so now you are upto 532 fwhp and with a 17% loss your at 441 rwhp and close to if not over 600 rwtq.
heads/cam/intake 100 rwhp
3 psi extra boost if 1 psi = 20 rwhp then 60 rwhp
something or another about waste gates upgrade or spring upgrade also adds a few more ponies. sorry i'm not real familiar with turbo cars as i should be but that video is probably the mods that that callaway has shifting at 5800 rpm or more instead of 4800 rpm.
so for 27k give or take total with car and upgraded mods you'd have 1 mean car that would be in the new Z06 territory due to the rwtq ratings would negate the less than 20 rwhp loss from a new 06 Z06 that dynoes in the 450-460 rwhp range with less torque of about 20 or so.
now if you could fab in a mini ram and a motown stroker block of 434 or 472 cubes then that car would be truly SICK!
Originally posted by nick418 Mic has a good point. Magazines suck. Like i stated.. One magazine tested a 89 L98 vette with a 6 speed and it went 14.8s and one magazine tested a 85 vette with a doug nash and ran 14.4s... Obv the 89 is a better overall car with a better tranny as well. In 87 they tested a L98 camaro and ran 15.3s.. Another mag tested same car and ran 14.5s.. Magazines suck. They dont do any preperation with ****ty drivers. 0-60 mph for l98 in 7.x secs one mag said
By the way Mic. That was an awesome vid. Thanks for sharing. I wish i had a callaway. Maybe i'll add vents to my hood for my 86 vette and a twin turbo
cool man glad you like it! pm me the info on your vette love the Z!!!!!
[quote]Originally posted by Mad-Mic
[b]maybe not but you can buy these cars now with less than 50k in milage for less than 25k. i know that sounds like an aweful lot of money for that old of a car but considering there was about 500 made and with about 3k in mods that car would be a BEAST!
Yea vettes came with 2.59s. And my 86 has em. Still a ball to drive. In a c4 cockpit. You feel like your in a race car. I love it. Thanks Mic for the kind words. I was looking on your cardomain. And love your vette as well Must be a blast to drive your 87 Dont forget to wave.
Yes my air deflector piece is gone. Im replacing it with a new one. Just bought one. Just need the bolts for it
[quote]Originally posted by nick418
[b]Yea vettes came with 2.59s. And my 86 has em. Still a ball to drive. In a c4 cockpit. You feel like your in a race car. I love it. Thanks Mic for the kind words. I was looking on your cardomain. And love your vette as well Must be a blast to drive your 87 Dont forget to wave.
You can still smoke the tires right? The power must make up for those.
Originally posted by nick418 Yea vettes came with 2.59s. And my 86 has em. Still a ball to drive. In a c4 cockpit. You feel like your in a race car. I love it. Thanks Mic for the kind words. I was looking on your cardomain. And love your vette as well Must be a blast to drive your 87 Dont forget to wave.
You can still smoke the tires right? The power must make up for those.
Originally posted by nick418 Yea vettes came with 2.59s. And my 86 has em. Still a ball to drive. In a c4 cockpit. You feel like your in a race car. I love it. Thanks Mic for the kind words. I was looking on your cardomain. And love your vette as well Must be a blast to drive your 87 Dont forget to wave.
You can still smoke the tires right? The power must make up for those.
from a 30 punch on 315/35/17" DR's
here is a quick race with an 02 TA M6 from a dig. on 275/40/17" DR's spun all the way thru 1st and into 2nd.
