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I was driving home one day following a car going 50mph next thing i know there is a newest style eclipse up my @$$ he was probably about 5 inches from my back bumper. So i'm like "haha this will be fun!" so i smash the throttle to the floor and the 350 cubic inches come to life, i blow past the car i was following and the eclipse follows, all i can see behind me is his headlights fading fast. I let off when i got about 1/4 ahead. lol after that i turned and went home he didn't follow me he went another way home haha. Just a quick end of the season kill before she goes away, its been pretty cold here so i think that she'll be away soon.
Good thing it was a newer model eclipse (junk). Theres a girl here that has a 97 GSX, its turbo and AWD. Or even the GST would be close in my mind. Took a ride in that GSX and it blew my mind how fast it went. Just my $.02
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Good thing it was a newer model eclipse (junk). Theres a girl here that has a 97 GSX, its turbo and AWD. Or even the GST would be close in my mind. Took a ride in that GSX and it blew my mind how fast it went. Just my $.02
You know the new V6 Eclipse's are low 14 second cars right?
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Good thing it was a newer model eclipse (junk). Theres a girl here that has a 97 GSX, its turbo and AWD. Or even the GST would be close in my mind. Took a ride in that GSX and it blew my mind how fast it went. Just my $.02
I've riddin in a 1st gen eclipse turbo pushing about 15lbs of boost that ran a 15.4 in the 1/4. Feels fast but they really aren't....
According to a test that Motor Week did in 2006, when the new eclipses came out, their test car did 0-60 in 6.7 sec. and the 1/4 mile in 15.0 @ 97 mph.
I know that some people have gotten them in the mid 14s, but that isn't that fast.
If his engine is in good tune with the mods in his signature he could beat a new V6 eclipse. Even if his HP is a bit lower than the eclipse's, which I doubt, the torque advantage of the 350 more than makes up for it.
According to a test that Motor Week did in 2006, when the new eclipses came out, their test car did 0-60 in 6.7 sec. and the 1/4 mile in 15.0 @ 97 mph.
I know that some people have gotten them in the mid 14s, but that isn't that fast.
If his engine is in good tune with the mods in his signature he could beat a new V6 eclipse. Even if his HP is a bit lower than the eclipse's, which I doubt, the torque advantage of the 350 more than makes up for it.
He's already posted what he ran in the 1/4...I stand by my statement.
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He's already posted what he ran in the 1/4...I stand by my statement.
yea i ran a 16.0 with the car too hot and with the old chip in it. now all the torque it had with the stock l05 is back after i changed the chip again. its not as bad as that night at the track by far....
yea i ran a 16.0 with the car too hot and with the old chip in it. now all the torque it had with the stock l05 is back after i changed the chip again. its not as bad as that night at the track by far....
Good, that time was way too slow. Glad to hear it's running better.
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Good, that time was way too slow. Glad to hear it's running better.
still not anywhere near where i want it but i hope to go stroker this winter. does anyone know how much it costs to bore out heads, also i was told i need to bore out my block before the stroker kit will work too... is that true?
a 383 stroker is a 400 crank, 350 rods, and .30 bore. i believe.
strokers are over rated. just bore .30 and be a 355ci or .40 for a 357ci(magnum lol) or .60 for 359ci. i beleive these are correct to. but i might have been told wrong. im still young.
a 383 stroker is a 400 crank, 350 rods, and .30 bore. i believe.
strokers are over rated. just bore .30 and be a 355ci or .40 for a 357ci(magnum lol) or .60 for 359ci. i beleive these are correct to. but i might have been told wrong. im still young.
i don't want to bore out my motor, i just want to buy a stroker kit.
a 383 stroker is a 400 crank, 350 rods, and .30 bore. i believe.
strokers are over rated. just bore .30 and be a 355ci or .40 for a 357ci(magnum lol) or .60 for 359ci. i beleive these are correct to. but i might have been told wrong. im still young.
I don't like this answer. I'm building a stroker engine this winter and i've been researching all summer. The extra cubes given by the 3.75" stroker crank is definitely worth it. a 383 consistently pulls %age points better than a 355 throughout the entire RPM band, as you would expect. I think the % power gains are just slightly higher than the cube difference %, which means a 383 is probably more "efficient" power-cube wise, but i cant remember the details.
Also, the way to make a 383 is 3.750 (400 ci) crankshaft with a 30 over bore on a stock block. There is no good way around this. About the only flexibility you have is in the rods, where you can go 5.7, 6.0, or i've recently heard of 5.85" rods.
strokers make good power but you will need the engine block machined whether you like it or not. even a 355 needs a trip to a machine shop. a 355 is a stock crank with 30 over pistons. (again, vs the 400ci crank and 30 over of a 383).
If you want the cubes, you need the machine work. A stroker kit will not work without machine work in one form or another.
and there are plenty of streetable 383s out there, including the one i'm building. Just go easy on the compression (under 11:1) and the cam/intake combo. Maybe a nice HSR build. modest 300-350 RWHP is more than enough for the streets, and plenty streetable. Should easily run 12's. Low 12's or high 11's on spray depending on the shot if your into that stuff
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I don't like this answer. I'm building a stroker engine this winter and i've been researching all summer. The extra cubes given by the 3.75" stroker crank is definitely worth it. a 383 consistently pulls %age points better than a 355 throughout the entire RPM band, as you would expect. I think the % power gains are just slightly higher than the cube difference %, which means a 383 is probably more "efficient" power-cube wise, but i cant remember the details.
Also, the way to make a 383 is 3.750 (400 ci) crankshaft with a 30 over bore on a stock block. There is no good way around this. About the only flexibility you have is in the rods, where you can go 5.7, 6.0, or i've recently heard of 5.85" rods.
strokers make good power but you will need the engine block machined whether you like it or not. even a 355 needs a trip to a machine shop. a 355 is a stock crank with 30 over pistons. (again, vs the 400ci crank and 30 over of a 383).
If you want the cubes, you need the machine work. A stroker kit will not work without machine work in one form or another.
and there are plenty of streetable 383s out there, including the one i'm building. Just go easy on the compression (under 11:1) and the cam/intake combo. Maybe a nice HSR build. modest 300-350 RWHP is more than enough for the streets, and plenty streetable. Should easily run 12's. Low 12's or high 11's on spray depending on the shot if your into that stuff
what do you think a 377 is? it's a 400 with a 350 crank , no need to do machine work to it. there's no law saying you have make a stroker a 383 or a 388
ok school me then, what machine work is need for a 377.
None. The machine work was already done when you made the block a 400 block. However, thats called DEstroking, not STROKING. I clearly stated STROKING requires machine work because the original psoter was talking about stroking a 350, not destroking a 400.
yea your gonna need machine work no matter what. you gotta get it dibbed. and the shop near my house wanted 160$ to bore my block .30 which isnt to much.
There was no machine work required to stroke my engine (ie put in the stroker crank) there was machine work to put in the .040 over pistons. There is a difference between clearancing and machine work. Any ape with half a brain can do the clearancing himself with a die grinder. I thought it would be hard too but I did it myself after posting and asking here, it was easy.
If the bores were perfect, which they wont be in any used block, then you could clearance the block, and make it a 377 with no machine work. Just new stroker crank, rods and oe size pistons. If you bought a kit, the only machine work that would need to be done would be to make the proper size piston fit, ie .030 over.
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1st gens were hideous !!! 2nd gens are where it is, GSX or a GST with the 4g63
GSX are stop light killers while GST are highway killers.
15.4 in 1/4 mi maybe its was messed up or just stock. An old shipmate had a GS with the 420a which ran low 16's high 15's stock, the 420a was the non turbo modle motors. Both the 4g63 and the 420a are 2.0ltr
Stock GSX will run low 15's and a stock GST will run mid 15's @ 6psi
1st gens were hideous !!! 2nd gens are where it is, GSX or a GST with the 4g63
GSX are stop light killers while GST are highway killers.
15.4 in 1/4 mi maybe its was messed up or just stock. An old shipmate had a GS with the 420a which ran low 16's high 15's stock, the 420a was the non turbo modle motors. Both the 4g63 and the 420a are 2.0ltr
Stock GSX will run low 15's and a stock GST will run mid 15's @ 6psi
Thats not very impresssive..... but for a stock import its not bad i guess lol
Yea not to shabby for a stock 4 banger
Mods are cheap and abundant.
I would have to completely agree, mods for any import 4 cyl are abundent cause everyone and their mother owns one and tries to mod it.... Same with stangs. Course i would take any stang over an import.... ANY DAY! haha
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what do you think a 377 is? it's a 400 with a 350 crank , no need to do machine work to it. there's no law saying you have make a stroker a 383 or a 388 
