i was coming home from the drag strip,and were on a empty highway and i slowly go by another 3rd gen. same color as mine looked(blueish green) and as we slow down he jumped back and flys by me and my buddies want me to try him,i had me and 2 my friends in the car so bout a 3800 pound car,so we get beside him i slow down to bout 50 and put it in drive and i give him the jump.then i stand on it and am right beside him at 65 then by 90 i had bout 3 cars on him.so i slow down and he gets beside me again and ask my friend what motor i got and he tells him a 305,and he said hes got a 305HO....so im really surpised right now that my TBI with 3 people just pulled a HO with one person like that. so he wants to go again,so i let him take off on me again, bout a car jump,then i reel him in again and pull on him just like before....then i just shut it down and cruise rest of the way home. i just cant believe it was a HO,unless im missing something bout the HOs compared to the L03.

about?

o,ok got ya...lol

lol,im just stating what he said...

i would hope so for his sake

Lol... don't worry, xflgkingpin knows nothing about cars... he just pm'd me this "iroc-z emblems add 300rwhp!" ... if that doesn't show automotive ignorance, I don't know what does. But what can you expect, he flips burgers at McDonald's... that's all he knows how to do... he can't even spell!!!

305 TBI for the win! Woohooo.

Never underestimate an LO3... I heard a stock '91 RS 5-speed with the emissions taken off beat an L98 Iroc in the 1/4.

It's all in this thread... enjoy!
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/th...stock-lo3.html (What can a stock LO3 beat?)

LOL!!! You start the PM's everyday dude... I reply to pass the time. And you POST IN THE SAME PLACES I DO. All making fun of TBI's... get a life. Racial slurs??? Hmmmm, I'm not even racist... watch this buffoon PM me back and start the name calling. xflgpinhead is TGO's biggest tool. I say he gets the boot. JT has already closed every thread he's started. This guy is nothing but trouble. And a terrible representation of the ThirdGen population altogether.

I contribute to this website. He terrorizes it.

you guys are getting gayer and gayer time to announce your relationship?

He's such a big man... hiding behind his ***WRECKED L98*** lol, idk what his problem is... this is what happens when 14-year-olds join TGO.

Go figure... he just PM'd me... Wow.

Back to topic.

You're a terrible liar... last PM was 30 minutes ago. Hopefully JT will take care of this guy... I'd like to actually contribute to this site... this little boy makes it impossible.

ok before we go back to topic i thought you might find this interesting http://www.pdxlan.net/forums/viewtop...0eae14556bea43

Oh... I am truely sorry for this... I should've remembered you like "HARD gay ****"
Awww, that's cute... you have a crush on Purple Haze! Maybe you should flirt with him too! You talk a big game, trash everyone's ride (even when you totalled yours), leave stupid crap all over my inbox, and contribute NOTHING but SPAM to this website.

Also... for the record... this is a bit gross... but when I jokingly asked him if his step sister was "hot", he answered the question... wow... I hope the Ford guys don't see this!!!

i came in thinking there was alot said on topic,then i noticed it was just mega postwhoring.

maybe it was not an HO. Lots of dumb people out there.

Heres what I do KNOW for fact.

My 87 Monte SS (what 200lbs heavier with stock 3.73s)

was faster then my stock LO3 Camaro (auto) HOs were pulling mid to low 15's.

yea i figured he was mistaken but idk,could been a HO on its last leg....my RS is bout mid-high 15 sec car on a good track

o,well...it was just werid to me.

WOW, this is quite the immature thread....chill out, for real. And as far as the TBI vs. 305 HO, His car has more hp, your car has more torque. 190 vs. 170, and 240 vs. 255. His could have been running shitty, maybe you have a factory freak 305 tbi! haha that would be awesome lol. either way you won, sure it would seem he would win but you never know. I know when i did my 350tbi swap it would run a 15.0 1/4 mile and i modded it with better parts, intake, cam, exhaust, even a tbi chips tune... and i ran a 16 at the track. Its all in the tuning, of course it didn't help i was tuning a 355 to 350 specs lol. (I didn't know the motor was already bored) hahaha

I just wanted to say that's hilarious

Just my 2 cents.

TPI is impressive, but it just doesn't 'feel' right. Lots of 'oomph' on the bottom end, breathing like a asthmatic vacuum cleaner with a full collection bag on the top end. Maximum horsepower for a tuned port injected engine is reached by 4800 RPM as the length of the runners inherent to the design simply can't support the necessary air flow required for a power peak at higher engine speeds. The LB9 and B2L / L98 are no high winding 302 and LS1, that's for sure! And people think this is high performance?!

Well, TPI is a great injection system, if used in the proper performance application. TPI is both powerful and efficient and it is very beautiful to look at. The aftermarket companies make lots of parts for it which leads to another rather simple question: If TPI is perfect, why then are there so many aftermarket upgrades out there for this system, why does it seem that you have to replace every single component of it to get it to flow well enough to accept any serious horsepower? I find it hard to believe that something can be perfect when you have to rebuild it from the ground up, replacing all of the parts in the design just to get it to acceptable performance levels. This irony is apparently lost upon the die hard TPI fanatics out there.

Why keep the 305 and / or the factory TBI system, when the larger 350cid small block is obviously a much better choice and TPI seems to be the only choice for real performance applications? This question has been asked many times, and I want to give my carefully thought out opinions on the matter. There is a lot of hear-say on the Internet, misinformed people who give their agreement to something that they don't fully understand just in order to be accepted and not rock the boat. I question why people don't use the 305 motor, or when they do use the 305, why they rip off the TBI system and drop in a TPI system or (gack!) a outdated trouble prone four barrel carburetor and rip the wiring harness and computer system out in the process. Why? That doesn't sound logical to me, to rip out a perfectly good motor and a highly capable induction system for something that everyone else has. It doesn't make sense to me to rip out a highly adaptable system and install something that is only going to give you more trouble and then claim that it was easier or better! I question anything that 'everyone' else does. If everyone is doing it, then that probably means that something was missed along the way.

LO3 thirdgens require to replace every single component aswell to make some decent power: ECM, TB, fueling, cam, heads, air cleaner, intake, exhaust, gears, torque converter, ...
And to perform, LSD differential, suspension, brakes, ...

True TBI sistem is cheaper then TPI to upgrade and requires a little less wrencing.

That's exactly my point. It's cheaper.

it went from 305 tbi vs. 305 ho to kingpin vs aaron to tbi vs tpi and then a paragraph with the typical 305s suck to the op i think the guy you raced was clueless in that he didnt know what he had or he didnt know how to drive.

Holy Crap!!!

To the original poster. Did you happen to run your car at the track that day, or were you spectating? If you ran it, what did it run???

If you think it's a freak, run it?

yea,but i also figure a HO is a low 15 sec to high 14 when its running good,now my car is a mid 15 sec as it sits right now...so if his is running like ****...then i think it could happen.

yea i did. it was my 1st time at the track and it was cold,best was a 15.90@ 85.

my frined did that in my car,and hes bout 150-170 pounds heavier than me,so with a warm track and me comfortable on the track,i could probbly do 15.7

So it ran 15.90 with one person in the car. The car you raced got the head start, and you had a few people in the car and proceeded to walk him 3 cars from 65-90 (or 25 mph)? These are the facts given?

Sounds like you raced a V6 or a very very poorly maintained HO 305. Nothing more or less in that story if in fact that is what happened.

It is a kill though.

Well said. Three car lengths in a matter of 25-30mph when talking about 15 second cars doesn't make sense. Something smells fishy. But whatever, a kill is a kill.

Just because you "heard" it doesn't mean it's true. Sorry but that isn't happening unless A) The L98 has 300K miles on it and running on 5 cylinders or B) The L98 driver has the driving skills of a 3yr old with Downs Syndrome.

Here's where TGO needs to stop living in the 1980's... it was a great decade (so I hear), and the L98 Iroc-z was an impressive car... that was THEN. Today, if a modern V8 makes 230hp, there is something seriously wrong with it. Today, the L98 puts out PATHETIC numbers for it's size. Many four cylinders make more power, and almost all six cylinders do... we really need to stop worshiping this motor... it was impressive... Twenty years ago! 350's are a dime a dozen... as for LO3's, there is NO excuse for a 170bhp small block.

yea,i have no reason to lie but what happen,this is 100% what happened......i mean i didnt think it was a HO,but that what he said....so idk

and it might not been 3 cars,since i was paying attn to the road....but they said i walked him,so i just figured it was 2-3 cars.

Umm, it sounded like they were speaking about your story in particular, not an L98 compared to a new car? Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed to me like what your complaining about here, has NOTHING to do with the responses to your comment.

But I could be wrong?

I've owned several LS1 cars and it's more of a motor than a L98 will ever be...however I have no idea what point you're trying to make...I was responding to your claim that a stock LO3 with emissions stuff removed could beat a stock L98.

Where did I say anything about newer cars, worshiping a L98 etc?

But since you brought up the topic, you're talking 80's technology and comparing it to today's technology, OF COURSE the newer stuff will be better...you're not breaking new ground there Copernicus


No, you're not wrong. It seems that if one types a lot of it must be relevant and meaningful.

and to Aarons92Maro why are you so bent on downing on motors? The L98 is still a decent performing engine if its maintained like it should be. You talk bad on the L98 and you have an L03, you really have no room to talk, if your going to talk, talk down on what you own. Not what you have never owned and probably know nothing about. The L98 is a torque monster, that what they have that other cars don't, take an LS1 off the line but not up top, its a stoplight to stoplight car. And also there are not many 4 cyl that make 245+ hp stock. Many are just getting over 200hp. And are pretty much all turboed (shows you the low N/A hp they would make). "Technology is the replacement for displacment." Its not the best engine out there by far but its deff not the worse.

Okay, here's what I'm getting at... this thread is about two 305 motors... but somehow the L98 comes up... like it does in every thread... seriously guys... If L98's are that amazing, I want one! But what I am saying is they are old... the youngest L98 motor today is 17 years old! That's ten years older than xflgkinpin... and to Viper, I brought my car down as well in that post... read it again.

My favorite part of this thread is the unwanted "TAKE OUT THE 305 PUT IN A 350 FTW!!!111ONE0N3" part. Completly unrelated.
But back to topic, the 305 HO cars were kinda dogs. Nothing special. Also, didn't production hp with the 305 vary from 170-190 depending on year?

Dude I will tell you right now that that people are full of sh1t I met a dude at arco once who had a 3000gt it was a base model, which is fine stock they are 218hp at the crank. So I asked the dude if it was a base or an SL same motor just different trim options well this *** tells me its a VR4 which is the twin turbo. Why would he lie IDK all I know this proves that some people are just stupid. Not saying thats what this guy did but it is not unheard of.

Also why hate on a motor that is better than urs. When everyone knows you secretly wish your car had a bigger motor.

anyways great win 4 the TBI regardless dude got killed aparently.

Dan

yea i mean,if he said he has a v6 or a tbi or something...it would ben alot better but when u say u got a better motor than me and get walked...it doesnt look to good.

it seemed alot like when i walked my friends trd tundra,me and the tundra started at 45mph and i had half a car till bout 70-75 then i put cars on him fast...but i mean i figured id walk the truck on top end.

The motor is about on par is what I'm saying (minimal difference). I'll agree that unless it's in **** condition it wouldn't be outrun by a TBI 305 with 4 people.

What the hell do you mean by this though? There's no doubt in my mind that I'd like a bigger motor, but being a student and all I can't truly afford one.

That's not the point.

Everyone and their brother knows the L03 is a dog of a motor in stock form. My point was, this is the theoretical and street racing forum. Why is that guy randomly jumping in and making a "Get a 350 post" when it's not even remotely germane.

How come the moderators don't come in here with warnings???

they must be on vacation, besides this is where all the garbage posts go. I mean, they even let guys with stangs post here... on a side note kingpin actually burned aaron lol

No. I have a girlfriend that takes good care of me at night. My car is in really nice shape, it's stock except for a new TBI, and exhaust. I like the car, the front tires need to be replaced, but they still have okay tread, it's just one sidewall on the passenger side that's a bit melted. You really have no room to talk, your car is totaled! Seriously man...

25thmustang... I think they've given up on xflgpinhead. He sent me a PM that said "I did your brother". Pretty discusting. JT will crack the whip on him.

Sorry dude that comment was not intended for you just I notice in a some of posts aarons is hatin on better motors. I agree with you I hate the why dont you just get a 350 statement because if I could afford one I would buy one thanks for rubbing it in assh0les. Anyways not intended for you dude. I mean seriously dude I have the LO3 and for now its more than effecient.

Dan

yes the redundant "305s are ghey posts" get old

Somebody really needs to teach this guy a lesson... You didn't burn me in the least... you know what would be more fun... why don't we have a real fight? No pulling hair whimp. You sit on this site all day and spew nothing but garbage... All of your posts are garbage... And stop stalking me... troll. Too bad I'll have an Corvette LS1 in before Rockie is even driveable.

Wow... It's nap time for some people.

I'm not going to get involved with this bitch fight because it's funny but I'll leave with saying this: It's spelled handle and saying "over and out" is completely wrong and no such saying.

Yea this is quite the bitch fight, this is a lame thread. Not posting in this one anymore or following it. Should be locked and members should be warned. This is the most immature thing i have seen on TGO.

This thread = FTW

Well my dad can beat up your dad!!!