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it was so cool, i thought i was about to get my butt kicked, i think this guy was running the 302 boss he claimed he had headers injectors cams and other stuff, we put 20 bucks on it and i beat him and he just drove away without stopping. it made my weekend
Last edited by theptownheroo; 05-12-2009 at 04:31 PM.
I agree! Why even go into the street racing part of the forum and then make negative comments about the OP? You know what you are going to read here right!!
To the OP--I have the same car you do and am impressed you took an 05 mustang down! Have you had your car dyno'd? If so what are you putting out at the rear tires?
I agree! Why even go into the street racing part of the forum and then make negative comments about the OP? You know what you are going to read here right!!
To the OP--I have the same car you do and am impressed you took an 05 mustang down! Have you had your car dyno'd? If so what are you putting out at the rear tires?
right now, the car has bigger throttle body, bigger runners, bigger injectors, a cam, headers, straight piped exaust, and an early version of ACCEL to run it, because it works better than a chip, and im squeezing out 330 at the wheels
The 05+ cars were NOT 302 based, they had more than one camS, and if an 05+ GT had headers, injectors and cams, it would probably be decently quick. Granted there are MUCH better mods that can be done, such as exhaust, tune and gears, those cars respond well to mods.
The 05+ cars were NOT 302 based, they had more than one camS, and if an 05+ GT had headers, injectors and cams, it would probably be decently quick. Granted there are MUCH better mods that can be done, such as exhaust, tune and gears, those cars respond well to mods.
well trust me i dont know anything about them, and i am in no way saying that i was right, i was taking a guess there. so please, if anyone KNOWS for sure then correct me. i know my car runs a 13.5 if that points to anything as far as whether he was telling the truth with his mods.
What is the point of racing on the street? Did you prove anything? I could tell you had to be a high schooler because racing was so "BADA$$" and that you can't believe you won. What cam do you have? Spec? Why did you put on a bigger throttle body, unless you got it super cheap, it wasn't restricting at all, why do it? What size injectors and at what fuel pressure? Just wondering.
What is the point of racing on the street? Did you prove anything? I could tell you had to be a high schooler because racing was so "BADA$$" and that you can't believe you won. What cam do you have? Spec? Why did you put on a bigger throttle body, unless you got it super cheap, it wasn't restricting at all, why do it? What size injectors and at what fuel pressure? Just wondering.
you have a cam, heads an injectors and you only run 13's? are the ford injectors?
street racing is awesome, and if it wasnt then they wouldnt have a whole dedicated section for it! so are YOU an old fat fart? just taking an educated guess.....
What is the point of racing on the street? Did you prove anything? I could tell you had to be a high schooler because racing was so "BADA$$" and that you can't believe you won. What cam do you have? Spec? Why did you put on a bigger throttle body, unless you got it super cheap, it wasn't restricting at all, why do it? What size injectors and at what fuel pressure? Just wondering.
just because im in high school doesnt mean anything, im 17 years old and building engines is what i do, ive got references coming out my a$$, and ive already been accepted to NTI (nascar tech) crane cams .580 lift, k-motion valve springs, harland sharp 1.5 rockers, manley stainless steel 2.05 intake 1.6 exaust, 58mm throttle body, 42lb injectors, electric fuel pump at 41psi (happy, i fixed the error, a$$hole).
now why are you being such an a$$hole for ???? go b1tch at someone thats actually an idiot, in a different section of the forum, PLEASE.
Last edited by theptownheroo; 05-14-2009 at 03:56 PM.
ive never tried to push the car to see what it will run, nor have i ever run it with slicks, which i will be doing this summer for the first time because im currently undertaking an engine build for the car.
To post this up, I didn't make assume anything and good for you that you are going to school. I've been down that road and it does get challenging. Hang in there, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
samiam91RS, you need to slow your role. Street racing puts innocent people in harms way and if you think nothing will happen, guess again. I've watched people race and get killed on the street, nothing I couldn't handle taking in, but still not something I like to see.
As far as an old fat fart, well, older than you, probably, fat, no, I can guarantee that I'm in a hell of alot better shape than you so you have no place to talk. Not insulting you, but you need to mind those that have a bit more knowledge.
Don't be dumb and get yourself or innocent people hurt because of a street race. A tire can blow, an axle can break, a driveshaft can break, and a terrible accident will happen. Think of this before you race.
I rarely if ever see that size injector on anything not forced induction. But I guess if you have references, what can I say, you must know what kind of fuel your car needs?
To post this up, I didn't make assume anything and good for you that you are going to school. I've been down that road and it does get challenging. Hang in there, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
samiam91RS, you need to slow your role. Street racing puts innocent people in harms way and if you think nothing will happen, guess again. I've watched people race and get killed on the street, nothing I couldn't handle taking in, but still not something I like to see.
As far as an old fat fart, well, older than you, probably, fat, no, I can guarantee that I'm in a hell of alot better shape than you so you have no place to talk. Not insulting you, but you need to mind those that have a bit more knowledge.
Don't be dumb and get yourself or innocent people hurt because of a street race. A tire can blow, an axle can break, a driveshaft can break, and a terrible accident will happen. Think of this before you race.
dont brag on yourself so much, it doesnt make you sound tough or in shape, it makes you sound like a fat old fart. just ignor negativity that has nothing to do with the thread. and on a certain level, i completly agree with you, street racing is dangerous, and has the potential to turn bad and end a life, but if your not an IDIOT and you know your **** isnt going to break and you send people up the street both ways first and make sure everything is PLANNED and not leave anything to chance, then it can be fun.
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42 lb injectors????
WHY????
I rarely if ever see that size injector on anything not forced induction. But I guess if you have references, what can I say, you must know what kind of fuel your car needs?
well im running ACCEL DFI and they actually are not fueling to thier full potention, but dont worry, they are destined to be on a forced induction motor.
Hey P-Town, what's up? We are practically neighbors! You ever head out to Jegs on Fri or Sat nites in Reynoldsburg? It's a good cruise spot w/alot of good people. PM me if you need any parts or just wanna go ride, Not too many 3rd gens around town, always good to meet new car people...
I was thinking the same thing about the 42 lbs injectors, funny. He acts as to know what he raced but then says he doesn't know for sure. I'm sorry but this "old fat fart" has to call ! I may have PTSD and not always caring and considerate but this thread reaks of bull. He says that the guy he raced told him he had cams, injectors, headers, blah blah blah, but yet says he guessed on it. I'm confused, either it's BS or...Nope, that's the only explaination.
I was thinking the same thing about the 42 lbs injectors, funny. He acts as to know what he raced but then says he doesn't know for sure. I'm sorry but this "old fat fart" has to call ! I may have PTSD and not always caring and considerate but this thread reaks of bull. He says that the guy he raced told him he had cams, injectors, headers, blah blah blah, but yet says he guessed on it. I'm confused, either it's BS or...Nope, that's the only explaination.
ok a$$hole, the only thing i said i guessed on was the engine size because i dont know whats in an 05 mustang, go b1tch at someone else and just leave this thread you a$$.
330 at the wheels seems like a bit much, that means your pushing around 400 horse at the motor and only running 13.5? Something does not seem right. I am running 470 horse and ran a 12.03 with tranny probs. i could probably get around 11.60-70.
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330 at the wheels seems like a bit much, that means your pushing around 400 horse at the motor and only running 13.5? Something does not seem right. I am running 470 horse and ran a 12.03 with tranny probs. i could probably get around 11.60-70.
if i run the car hard, and on slicks, itll run 12.8`s but i dont like to run it hard very often at all.
I'm not B!tching at anyone and no, I won't leave this thread. I am entertained by the BS that goes on here. 14 psi is BS. 42 lbs injectors sounds like BS. After running your "stats" through my tuning program, it says that with 8 injectors at .45-.50 duty cycle, you would need 26 lbs injectors. I replace injector table with the 42 lbs you say you have and it says that at 14 lbs, it was an error but roughly 185 hp. At 42 lbs injectors to properly work, you would need 538 hp. You stated 330 hp at the wheels. Nothing matches up. I think I'll stay and see what other BS comes up. But hey, I just an "old fat fart" that doesn't know $H!T!
I'm sorry but I have to jump in. As a tuner for a perfomance shop, and a mechanic for 20+ years, I do agree with almost everything all4u has said. A couple of errors on both sides. 14 psi fuel pressure is bull, I agree. 42 lbs. injectors, bull, I agree again. TB, too big for what is done to the car, yeah, that true also. Here's the flaw in all4u's calculation on the defense of the OP. No one considered TBI. You could run lower pressures and have the injector duty cycle really short and make the car run. I doubt it would make 400 hp or whatever but the car would run, so not complete BS. As far as Nascar Technical Institute, try and switch schools. If you are doing as much as you are saying, you already know more than what you could learn at that school. UTI, Wyotech, same way. Just something to think about because you do seem bright.
Lastly, it seems you called out all4u by calling him a old fat person, so don't get ticked off that he comes back at you. I know the guy personally, we used to work together, he is probably mid twenties now and as far as fitness, he's in damn good shape, not like I would want to get into a fight with him. Google "MOS 19D US Army" when you get a chance. I'm a 63B so I don't need to stay in excellent shape, and I'm old.
All4u, didn't you go past 300, on the extended scale for your last APFT? Not bad for a guy who is "old" and "fat" and doesn't know "anything"
I'm sorry but I have to jump in. As a tuner for a perfomance shop, and a mechanic for 20+ years, I do agree with almost everything all4u has said. A couple of errors on both sides. 14 psi fuel pressure is bull, I agree. 42 lbs. injectors, bull, I agree again. TB, too big for what is done to the car, yeah, that true also. Here's the flaw in all4u's calculation on the defense of the OP. No one considered TBI. You could run lower pressures and have the injector duty cycle really short and make the car run. I doubt it would make 400 hp or whatever but the car would run, so not complete BS. As far as Nascar Technical Institute, try and switch schools. If you are doing as much as you are saying, you already know more than what you could learn at that school. UTI, Wyotech, same way. Just something to think about because you do seem bright.
Lastly, it seems you called out all4u by calling him a old fat person, so don't get ticked off that he comes back at you. I know the guy personally, we used to work together, he is probably mid twenties now and as far as fitness, he's in damn good shape, not like I would want to get into a fight with him. Google "MOS 19D US Army" when you get a chance. I'm a 63B so I don't need to stay in excellent shape, and I'm old.
All4u, didn't you go past 300, on the extended scale for your last APFT? Not bad for a guy who is "old" and "fat" and doesn't know "anything"
I am sorry for thread jacking but have to ask something?
I am thinking of going to Wyotech, why do you think it is bad?
my old combo has edelbrock heads a zz9 cam, mini ram, edelbrock shorty headers, e water pump 3.73 gears, forged pistons and a perfect tune and all I could get was 292 rwhp and with slicks could only get into the high 13's. So for you to have 330 rwhp is a little far fetched. Sorry just my opinion
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if i run the car hard, and on slicks, itll run 12.8`s but i dont like to run it hard very often at all.
Well what did the whole timeslip look like of your fastest pass? 60', 330', 1/8th and 1/4? If you say it runs 13.5, Surely you have a timeslip to prove it.
Also I didn't see the 14 psi comment. A 42 lb injector being choked off to run that kind of PSI, I don't believe it.
OK, the 14 psi comment is in ptownzero's 5th post. This is where the BS gets real thick. Read it and your BS detector will go off crazy style. There is just too many flaws and going against physics itself that you know this is a kid trying to act cool and what not.
Paul, I see what you mean with TBI but I don't agree completely. Ok, I do know that you could dial back the duty cycle with proper tuning, but how many TBI cars have a bigger TB and runners? Yeah, he's TPI. The lowest fuel pressure I've seen on TPI that the car actually idled, was around 28 psi with a bad fuel pump. You could take the screw out of the regulator and you'd still have 30 psi of pressure. Tuning wouldn't bring fuel pressure down that far. You also wouldn't get decent fuel atomization so no power and really horrible gas mileage, you'd get the gas mileage of a V10 truck if your lucky and you'd have the power of a geo metro, once again, if you were lucky. He says he has references coming out of his @$$, more like he's talking out of it.
And seeing as that this thread is BS, I'll jack it for a second and say that yes I did get a 357 on the last APFT. Two mile time is slower than last time but still 11:22 and I only needed like a 16 something. I've been 300 or higher for two years now. Nothing to worry about here, cause I'm an ok shape "old, fat, fart" but I rather be that then a lying *****!
i thought this was about the kids race not what men can run in a marathon. for someone so smart and going to nascar you need to decipher what your running and mismatching carbed applications with fuel injected ones.
I ran a 24 lb injector, with my regulator set at 40 psi, and the duty cycle was so far off the car actually ran a lot better with the stock 19lbers. I couldn't imagine a 42 lb injector trying to run at 14 psi... If it is even possible.
i agree with all4you....p-towns info is way way off, if hes seventen (and im only sixteen) and can tune that tpi to run those injectors and and fuel pump psi hes either a motor head god or hes just plain us and tring to sound cool....
all4you is really car smart i've looked at some of his other posts and it really looks like he knows what hes talking about id certainly trust him with any help he gave me.
as for calling people "old fat fart" based on what they say, that just sounds really stupid and immature.
now for the street racing part p-town says he knows what hes running is good and nothing will happen....just like my dad always tells me "the easiest way to get in an accident is to get comfortable" you may be running quality parts but NOTHING has a 100% chance of not having a problem. dont get me wrong i get caught up with my friends and race sometimes and it gets your blood rushing in the race, but afterwards i just say what if?
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OK, the 14 psi comment is in ptownzero's 5th post. This is where the BS gets real thick. Read it and your BS detector will go off crazy style. There is just too many flaws and going against physics itself that you know this is a kid trying to act cool and what not.
Paul, I see what you mean with TBI but I don't agree completely. Ok, I do know that you could dial back the duty cycle with proper tuning, but how many TBI cars have a bigger TB and runners? Yeah, he's TPI. The lowest fuel pressure I've seen on TPI that the car actually idled, was around 28 psi with a bad fuel pump. You could take the screw out of the regulator and you'd still have 30 psi of pressure. Tuning wouldn't bring fuel pressure down that far. You also wouldn't get decent fuel atomization so no power and really horrible gas mileage, you'd get the gas mileage of a V10 truck if your lucky and you'd have the power of a geo metro, once again, if you were lucky. He says he has references coming out of his @$$, more like he's talking out of it.
And seeing as that this thread is BS, I'll jack it for a second and say that yes I did get a 357 on the last APFT. Two mile time is slower than last time but still 11:22 and I only needed like a 16 something. I've been 300 or higher for two years now. Nothing to worry about here, cause I'm an ok shape "old, fat, fart" but I rather be that then a lying *****!
ok i meant to type 41psi not 14, youd think you would have noticed a typo when you see one.
Here's my reply to this garbage, yes cbr1000 is right about the pump being for a carb motor. Once again, back on the tuning program so I can give everyone an idea of the BS, 42 lbs injectors at 41 psi would be right for a combination that produces roughly 521-572 hp at the crank. Mind you, increasing pressure could give you more of a gap if you made more power. Sorry but 300 hp isn't quite 521 hp. I say 521 because that would be at 30% duty cycle which most ecu controllers and standalones will let you run that low.
85camaro350, your father is a smart man. Racing on the street can be fun, but like I say all the time, a tire can blow, a driveshaft can break at the tranny end, or an axle can break, you don't plan on doing it but it happens. Be smart and either race at 1 in the morning when no one is around, or take it to the track. Also, thanks for the compliment, I do know a bit too much about car and performance but that's cause my family owns a performance shop and I work in the family business. I'm not above it, it puts food on the table. If you want to know EVERYTHING about performance, talk to that old guy Paulisgod, he has a few suprising third gens that he says are stock, but I don't remember a time when 632 cubic inches came stock in our cars. Yeah, stock my @$$. Yeah contact paul, he is a nice guy that can help you with anything.
I guess I could believe this if I saw a video of all this together and race it at the track. Hey paul, you wanna race this kid? I think he would beat you!
That's from your myspace page, where you claim its your ride, as well as on D1U. I know who you are, its not that hard to find out who people are online. Especially me being a Google Guru and being on multiple forums.
Wheres the camaro pictures? I know you have a camera if you took all those photos of those drift cars at the show. Unless those were taken from online.
Is that your 240sx though?
Also, you are either very very smart (in which all this confusion shouldn't have happened) but, how are you an ASE Master Tech and didn't realize all these typos that are coming up.
Good news, I talked to Paul and he would be willing to race you, PtownZERO. He is in the process of switching motors and he would love to see what your car can do. Paul, please feel free to chime in when you see this post on your user cp, and please sell me that 632 cause that would be awesome in my car. Good luck with the 706!
That's from your myspace page, where you claim its your ride, as well as on D1U. I know who you are, its not that hard to find out who people are online. Especially me being a Google Guru and being on multiple forums.
Wheres the camaro pictures? I know you have a camera if you took all those photos of those drift cars at the show. Unless those were taken from online.
Is that your 240sx though?
Also, you are either very very smart (in which all this confusion shouldn't have happened) but, how are you an ASE Master Tech and didn't realize all these typos that are coming up.
no thats not my car and its not on my myspace or my D1U page so idk wtf your talkin about cuz thats adams car and you obviously have looked at his pages and not any of mine, so just keep on thinking you know everything mr "google guru"
So, are you going to race Paul or what? Hell, I'd race you off the bottle but Paul would give you a run for your money. I think he is "stock". Maybe an intake or a muffler, you know, so ***** BS. I don't think he is fast.
Good news, I talked to Paul and he would be willing to race you, PtownZERO. He is in the process of switching motors and he would love to see what your car can do. Paul, please feel free to chime in when you see this post on your user cp, and please sell me that 632 cause that would be awesome in my car. Good luck with the 706!
what is this dudes problem.. a couple people state factual specs and he gets all butt hurt trying to start sh!t...
this is a tech forum to help spread knowledge to other people and learn some yourself. i don't know why so many people get so emotional. you probably will never meet some of them. just let it go.
ptownZERO? cmon, what is this middle school? take a chill pill then come back and say something useful.
and as for me, i dont know anything about stangs. so if he said '05 302 im gonna take his word for it
what is this dudes problem.. a couple people state factual specs and he gets all butt hurt trying to start sh!t...
this is a tech forum to help spread knowledge to other people and learn some yourself. i don't know why so many people get so emotional. you probably will never meet some of them. just let it go.
ptownZERO? cmon, what is this middle school? take a chill pill then come back and say something useful.
and as for me, i dont know anything about stangs. so if he said '05 302 im gonna take his word for it
oh hes just all bent outa shape cuz when he asked for some specs i said my fuel pressure was 14 instead of 41, now hes just acting like hes king sh1t like hes better than everyone else.
! I may have PTSD and not always caring and considerate but this thread reaks of bull. He says that the guy he raced told him he had cams, injectors, headers, blah blah blah, but yet says he guessed on it. I'm confused, either it's BS or...Nope, that's the only explaination. 
