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This if my first post and I was reluctant to make it. My father said you'd all enjoy it I hope so . Skip to the first star if your interested in just the race part cause there is a bit of story to tell.
Well about two weeks ago my father handed me the keys to the car we have been working on since 1992. I was amazed as I've pretty much waited for this day my whole life. I've picked up a lot I've been there for every moment the car has done anything except for the past few years when I just lost interest.
Well the day started off as normal, the governer hasn't been right since I started driving the car. So today we finally put the stock one back in and adjusted the weights. I went out for my test run and finally in first I wasn't shifting anymore at 4200 rpm.... it went to 6000 rpm. Second was a nice 5.6k to 5.9k rpm. So we decided to leave it alone need to change a spring probably but thats about it.
Well I headed off to best buy and of course at every stop light I was waiting for something to come along just to give me an excuse to test the corrected governer out. But nothing and up to this point all I've come across is a few ricers which is no big deal for a 383 stealhram with 4.10s.
After leaving best buy not being satisfieid with my cable I couldn't find. I'm prolly going to get in deep crap for admitting I was eager and looking for a race. All I found on the way out of best buy was some honda that was revving at me I just hit the gas a lil and he went away. I cruised the strip up here in Cincinnati. Didn't see anything of interset.
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So I turned off onto the highway and caught the red light this is like a five minute light I got the far right lane. While sitting there I see a mustang coming up on my rear. To my suprise it was a cobra I didn't know what year at first, he engaged his line locks and did a small burn out enough to smoke them. I looked back to check his tires they were nitto drags. I have a pair of no drag tires on my car. I do have line locks but I didn't use them cause well I'm still kind of a newbie to the car and didn't want to **** up. Well after all the antcipation the turn lane lights went yellow means ours were going green soon. He hooked up right away I was trying it took me probably about .5 seconds to hookup and by this time he had a good half a car length on me. Soon as I hooked up though I blew him out of the water by the time I was getting ready to shift into third he was back about 2 and 1/2 car lengths. I stopped at 75. Cause there was no point I was just pulling further and further away. He went by and waved. I was low on gas and went to turn in the local shell well him and 3 of his mustang buddies followed me and they wanted to know what I was running so I told them. I asked him the same he said 09 cobra with a supercharger. He told me he thought I was some dumb kid who got ahold of a camaro and he would have no problem and that he ran 12.30s at the local track.
EDIT: He told me he was in it all the way he thought I had nitrous. So it wasn't a fluke..... just stating
Well thats pretty much my story for july 3rd. Just thank god we got that governer right or this wouldn't have been a kill story.
Hope you enjoyed the story . Oh and ps dad don't be to pissed you said you would have done the same ... Best feeling I ever had tonight... I'm addicted....
xpa
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Toss up a mod list... an 09 Shelby GT500 "might" run a 12.30 on some Drag Radials, but should be trapping 120+ mph. Nice kill if you were walking on that car!
Toss up a mod list... an 09 Shelby GT500 "might" run a 12.30 on some Drag Radials, but should be trapping 120+ mph. Nice kill if you were walking on that car!
Oh yea once I hooked up I was pulling away hard... it didn't take long until he was back there... When I checked my rear view and saw him 2 back i kept on the gas till he got about 2 & 1/2 back so I just let off, i'm sort of a pessimist though it looked like more but I don't want to over state anything. Only thing I do remember for the old days I mean I was just a kid at the time but the hp ford always claimed was higher than normal... and chevy always put out low numbers.... Seems like they are a bit better now with it was watching some youtube videos and they are actually telling the truth now. Both of them...
My car ran 12.80 with the governer being gimped in prolly 2007 and shifting at 4200 in first and 4400 in second kinda looking forward to going back to the track and see what I run now that its shifting at 6000 in first and about 5600 to 5900 in second.
Trying to remember everything, like I said we have been working on the car since 92 when we got it. I'll run through the list that I have on the top of my head.
-383 ohio crank balanced assembly
-holley stealth ram intake
-accel 24#injectors
-kirban adjustable fuel pressure regulator
-58mm throttle body
-comp cam Camshaft Hydraulic Flat Tappet, Duration 224\230 @ .050, Lift .477/.480
-crane self aligning 1.5 roller rockers
-stock ported heads
-screw in rockers studs
-bronze guides
-crane hp springs
-msd ignition
-accel super coil
-1 3\4 inch slp stainless steel headers
-3 inch flow master exhaust with cutouts
-4.10s in the rear
-B&M shift kit
-Custom Chip which has been reworked for a really long time.
The rear,tranny, and suspension were redone through 94 and 96 so the details are hard to remember... A lot more things I really just can't remember them all
The new GT500 is far from over rated HP wise... Ford had a year where the cars had a terrible exhaust design, and wasn't putting down factory power, but that was cured. Every other Ford put down the power it was supposed to. The 03-04 Cobra put down a bit more than it was rated for, as with the newer GT500s. Just an FYI.
Stock ported heads... wow that car moves for stock heads!
Hey man its cool if you call BS... But you know what doesn't bug me one bit I was there it was fun... made me feel good and I got to walk away knowing what really happened ... Its all good not going to get in a flame war cause I know how that gets no point... point is I know it happened.... if you don't believe me its all good ... I still feel good about it.
On a side note, I bet there are tons of cars within these forums that could do the same I was more or less curious... was just looking for some input. Still have a lot to learn.
let's ask some questions guys.
you say the heads are ported, screw in studs, bronze guides. anything else on these stock heads? what size valves? what size intake runners? 3 4 5 angle valve job? angle milled? combustion chamber size? any bowl work? exhaust runner size?
now the answer, the heads were a my project that took 2 years......2.02...1.60 valves.....190cc runner ......3 angle valve job.... angle milled to 62 cc polished combustion chamber....exhaust valves countersunk .060...... bowls are done .....72cc on the exhaust.
ya, my BS detector is beepin at me...That guy with the stang would have to be a total nub to driving to lose that bad, especially if your on street tires
he engaged his line locks and did a small burn out enough to smoke them. I looked back to check his tires they were nitto drags.
First off it doesn't sound like you were racing some kid and thats no cheap car so I highly doubt the guy just threw on drag radials to go cruising. Sure it's possible he may have been coming or going from street racing but I highly doubt it with probably over 70k into the car + mods but either way nice try. So you were just sitting at the light and he pulls up and smokes the tires with no looks or conversation to some ransom car....yeah right good try again.
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Oh and ps dad don't be to pissed you said you would have done the same ... Best feeling I ever had tonight... I'm addicted....
Your profile says your 28 but you talk like you just turned 16 and dad just gave you the keys the first time so I call troll.
So with those engine specs are you running the stock computer with factory tune, after market computer like accel or stock computer with modified tune?
First off it doesn't sound like you were racing some kid and thats no cheap car so I highly doubt the guy just threw on drag radials to go cruising. Sure it's possible he may have been coming or going from street racing but I highly doubt it with probably over 70k into the car + mods but either way nice try. So you were just sitting at the light and he pulls up and smokes the tires with no looks or conversation to some ransom car....yeah right good try again.
He wasn't some kid... the guy was probably 50 to 60 years old. Wasn't hard to tell as I said when i stopped for gas. He thought ***I*** was some kid... I am 28 but look about 18.. but this has nothing to do with the actually post so lets skip it ...
There was a bit more to it than just him heating up his tires. He didn't smoke them that much not like a billowing wall.... anyway there was a look he revved i revved then he heated his tires. Sorry I didn't write a novel over every gesture made.
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Your profile says your 28 but you talk like you just turned 16 and dad just gave you the keys the first time so I call troll.
The reason the whole ps dad thing was in there is because he spends time on these boards and I have only had the car for two weeks. Thats the reason I didn't throw the switch to my line locks and use them. It would have been disrespectful to all the work put into the car as I have never done it before and it wasn't the right time. Yea I've never driven anything like this I'm coming from a ford tauraus and honda accord. If you knew the history on the car itself... its actually been a part of our family its only had two drivers in its lifetime... me and him so really why be critical of that? This is more or less why I didn't want to even post the story because I don't need to brag I was happy just knowing it.
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So with those engine specs are you running the stock computer with factory tune, after market computer like accel or stock computer with modified tune?
Now this is a good question something that is actually relevant to the post. The computer is stock with a bypass on it to use a custom chip which has been reworked a good couple hundred times. I might not be using the right terminology but you get what I mean. I mean hell I could send you the .BIN file but i'd rather keep it to myself.
Last question was good the others seemed more like a lash out but whatever. There are great boards and I more or less just watched them trying to learn. There is a ton of information on here thats great. I've been watching them for sometime but only recently made an account because just as a guest you can see and I knew eventually I was going to have some questions.
Also instead of doing all this talk about "stock heads" was answered, Even though the word ported was thrown in. Down to the tires. Now down to the computer I mean what is left? Is it really that hard to believe that a car that has been worked on for over 17 years could beat a freaking 09 shelby? If it did are you just suffering from a case of epeen? Was it stepped on a little to hard to make you break down my post word for word. I mean hell he was pretty much well stock from the way he talked but none the less he wasn't happy about it but he wasn't a jerk to me.
Soon as I get to the track I'll have a video response. So then maybe it could possiable be concieveable in a few peoples heads that a highly modded 92 z28 thats been worked on for 17 years, could take a damn near stock 09 cobra. LOL
what would it matter thats it sbeen worked on for 17 years or 1 year? if you had the money and time you could rebuild any car in 1 year, the fact that it took 17 just shows dedication.
__________________ 358 block, rpm perofrmer heads, rpm air gap intake, comp cam 275 (maybe), 1.6 comp silver lifters, edelbrock 600 carb, mallory dizzy, 150 shot NOS, rebuilt 350 turbo, B&M megashifter, 3.23 gears and more looking to be in by january. shooting for 400-450 hp without NOS. tired of seeing that antifreeze green mustang trying to be a badass around town.
They quick cars, i raced one last year in my car but he was on street tires. He ran 12.97 at 113.7 spinning abit. Dont see him hitting 120mph+ with a good launch tho unless he really couldnt drive. I dont think they can go that fast. 03-04's didnt go higher than 113-114 and this new car with more power is still abit heavier so i dont think they would go over 116 but I could be wrong. The one I ran definately wasnt the best example
With your 383 i dont really see you out running my old 383 and i considered it a step above GT500. Depending on how ported your heads are I think your a mid lower 12 second car and that would be a good match for a stocker GT500.. just walking one would be harder to do.
You have good mods list going, just needs a bit bigger cam and definately some heads.
You list your car as being a 92, Now.......the way I see it you say you have been working on it since 92..........you know.......when it was new.....WTF do you do to a new car that takes 17 years?????? If it takes you that long to get the money to buld a 383 with stock heads........you'd be better off getting out of the car game......
You list your car as being a 92, Now.......the way I see it you say you have been working on it since 92..........you know.......when it was new.....WTF do you do to a new car that takes 17 years?????? If it takes you that long to get the money to buld a 383 with stock heads........you'd be better off getting out of the car game......
WOW....you can buy great parts....that's not as rewarding .......when you open the hood and they see stock heads and say nice car.......then you know all that work was worth it
Something doesn't sound right with the owner of the '09. These cars are not called Cobras. The last "Cobra" was made in 2004. These are Shelbys, so to have an owner of one call it a Cobra sounds suspicious.
In any case, my '08 dynoed bone stock on an SAE corrected Dynojet at 463 rwhp. This is on the high side compared to others. I never ran the car on the track in bone stock form. Since then I have added a K&N conical filter and tuned it (myself). I have not dynoed it but my 1/4-mile result is:
12.37 @ 116.19 mph
My car weighs 4122 pounds with me in it.
__________________ Willie
1987 "20th Anniversary Commemorative Edition" Z28 Convertible
305 TPI / 5-speed
Super Chevy Show Class Winner, 1998
WOW....you can buy great parts....that's not as rewarding .......when you open the hood and they see stock heads and say nice car.......then you know all that work was worth it
Your not fooling anyone, your the same guy under a different name.......You can only port stock heads SO MUCH. Grind away too much and your in a water jacket. And still........17 years of work on a BRAND NEW CAR? One good saturday and your port work is done. about a week at a machine shop and you have new/bigger valves. Another hour and the are on the car.......really! Spouting off a bunch of automotive terms does not mean you have a clue what your saying. And whats this business about the governor????? Your an automotive name dropper. Say words that sound like the pertain to cars and WOW you've got a GREAT STORY to tell other pre-teens.UGH!
Not only that but you say stock heads, Stock off what???? You have never even said what the car came with.....are they stock 305 heads? 614? 882? 993?441?041?462? Truck heads? School bus heads? Car heads?
And dont even get me started with "LINE LOCKS" WTF How many do you have on your car?
Like I always say"Make sence or shut up"
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Something doesn't sound right with the owner of the '09. These cars are not called Cobras. The last "Cobra" was made in 2004. These are Shelbys, so to have an owner of one call it a Cobra sounds suspicious.
In any case, my '08 dynoed bone stock on an SAE corrected Dynojet at 463 rwhp. This is on the high side compared to others. I never ran the car on the track in bone stock form. Since then I have added a K&N conical filter and tuned it (myself). I have not dynoed it but my 1/4-mile result is:
12.37 @ 116.19 mph
My car weighs 4122 pounds with me in it.
Plus he said the Shelby was supercharged, so just guessing add another 100hp or so. There's no way he's going to get beat that bad running on drag radials. He probably accidentally had it in valet mode
All 2007 and newer GT500s are 5.4L (330 CID), 4-valves per cylinder, supercharged and intercooled. Stock, they make 9-psig and factory rated at 500 hp / 480 ft-lbs torque.
To the OP why not post up a dyno sheet, pic's of your car/engine, receipts for parts.......something other than a tall tale.
I am going to try and do better than that... hopefully hitting the track this weekend and should have a vid and I'll do a full walk around of the car etc.
Oh and wow has this post gotten out of control. I don't know who wrote it but that me and my father are the same person wow(just wondering if they are into conspiracy theories as well).... anyway will try and get a vid up, right now all I have is a 0 to 60 vid which was shot today but my arm got in the way of the speedometer and a vid of just the idle sound. I'll throw it together as soon as possiable though ...
But seriously guys can you back off just a little bit? I mean lets not make it a flame post, no point in all that stuff. Cause really I'm just about done looking at some of the rudeness.
I'll throw the vid together asap. Might not make it to the track this weekend because rain is on saturday or at least its in the forecast. I'd love to though because then that would end all this flaming I mean wow. This is why I didn't want to post to begin with.
However I am a little nervious about going to the strip. I have 0 passes under my belt. I'll do the best I can, just really worried about the tree. Also I'll run the first few on streets then throw on slicks.
EDIT: Going to snap car pics and Engine pics now.... Thats isn't a problem will be up in about 20 minutes or less.
Thanks
xpa
Last edited by xpa; 07-09-2009 at 02:31 AM.
Reason: pics
Oh great! A video.......What rear end do you have in the car? Cause it you have enough HP to beat a shelbyGT500 by 2 lengths.................your gonna leave a stock rear end scattered all over the race track if you put slicks on it! Notice how he waited for some one to call him on it before he actually said the other person was his dad.......you like how he wanted us to assume it?
Oh great! A video.......What rear end do you have in the car? Cause it you have enough HP to beat a shelbyGT500 by 2 lengths.................your gonna leave a stock rear end scattered all over the race track if you put slicks on it! Notice how he waited for some one to call him on it before he actually said the other person was his dad.......you like how he wanted us to assume it?
Read the first post when he told you about the heads I would assume it would have been gotten just be nice dude... and I'll put out the info pics in a few mins uploading now....
WOW....you can buy great parts....that's not as rewarding .......when you open the hood and they see stock heads and say nice car.......then you know all that work was worth it
Also.......can you explain to me how you can "open the hood and see stock heads"? you can buy an upgraded cast iron head too, in which case just by looking(with all the accesories bolted on) you would have no clue what they were...........and exactily WHAT stock heads are you running?? give us a casting number
And you still havent explained the whole "govenor" thing. See stock heads and say "Nice car"...... Buddy of mine has AFR heads, mini ram. At a car show most people just walk right by because they have no idea what they are looking at!
Orig paint etc... the flash made the wax in the creases really show up wish I had time to clean the car up at least... a few more incoming its 3am so it was kinda hard to snap pics in the garage...
Read the first post when he told you about the heads I would assume it would have been gotten just be nice dude... and I'll put out the info pics in a few mins uploading now....
I just read both your first post, and your other first post about the heads.........and you still havent told us what the heads are....you just told us "Specs". What heads are they? 614? 462? 993?882?441?041?186? "Double hump", Vortec? just tell us what stock heads you are using......you might be more believeable.......
Well......if nothing else,it does seem to be a good looking car......see.......I can be nice........but only if your reasonable
While your out there at 3 am........open the hood.......lets see the good stuff! If you cant do that........you may as well stop posting anymore........think about it
Just keep in mind this is orig paint and yes the wheels/rims are stock. Plus the flash that close really showed the dirt and wax that feel into the creases but I'm hoping to just give you enough for the moment. I like them that way I think they look good.
Yea I agree with ya... Only thing that really needs painted are the plastics... the bubbles on the hood had the paint melted from the heat of the engine.
I'm always reasonable, always logical,(They call me "Mr Spock") just not eazily impressed.......at all.......
I can tell now and I really do apperciate it sorry about the pic quality I took those just about 10 minutes before I put them up... The original 350 is sitting in the back if you didn't notice it only has 31k miles on it. As for some of the other specs like the rear end that you asked its after market I don't know what though my father old z man would be the one to ask about that.
I just read both your first post, and your other first post about the heads.........and you still havent told us what the heads are....you just told us "Specs". What heads are they? 614? 462? 993?882?441?041?186? "Double hump", Vortec? just tell us what stock heads you are using......you might be more believeable.......
Thats a good question, First off I am going to admit I don't know everything. I don't know near as should. Sad thing is I knew more as a kid than I do now. But I'm pretty sure you'll see a response tomorrow about what stock heads are on it. Really the cool thing is my dad has been doing this stuff for years and really know what he is doing. I know we have two sets of heads I don't know where the other set came from but the ones that were origanlly on the car are stored. I don't know if these came off another Z or what myself but I'm sure he will have an answer in the morning.
More or less why I am on these boards is to learn and if I have a question ask.... I just more or less posted what happened with that cobra because I thought it would give all the people with 3rd gens a boost in morale.
Well it's always suspicious when someone posts a hard to believe story as one of their first posts.
Looks like a nice car and black is one of my favorite colors, but honestly to believe your story we're going to need a dyno sheet or timeslip backing up you claims.
Well it's always suspicious when someone posts a hard to believe story as one of their first posts.
Looks like a nice car and black is one of my favorite colors, but honestly to believe your story we're going to need a dyno sheet or timeslip backing up you claims.
I am hoping to get that done this weekend. Hopefully the rain wont fall and I'll have the money to drive out the the strip its kinda a drive from where I live. But none the less I will get that vid up as soon as possiable... I'm half tempted to post the 0 to 60 vid from earlier today but my arm was in the way of the speedo can hear my gf telling me but i couldn't hear her. Windows were up to... Just love the sound... I want to get a better shot first.
If i thought the flames wouldn't come in I'd post it regardless... cause wow it sounds good.... specially with the windows up....
EDIT: I prolly have the time slips floating around from 2006 with the gimped governor... which were 12.80's... while I'm making this edit to the guy who was asking about the governor it was really bad for an auto. I mean shifting at 4.2k in 1st is crap and you can't really shift this car in 1st manually, its just do damn fast that tach goes quick. 2nd to 3rd isn't a problem but wow the difference the gov made.
xpa
Last edited by xpa; 07-09-2009 at 04:30 AM.
Reason: time slip
I think the win is real. I also think most of you guys are just being HATERS..
Great kill, and nice camaro.
Remeber a 13 second car can sometimes, somehow, sometimes beat an 11 sec car, the streets are alot diff than at the track. I dont think it was a 1/4 mile run, he said he went to 70. so yeah, the story was real.
regardless, sounds like a healty well setup deep 12 second car there. You and dad did a great job.
LMAO I missed the parts that you stopped at 75. Ok I'll admit that this could have happened, but really this was only about a 6 second race so nothing really to brag about.
Nothing bad about your car or the work you put into. From what I've seen in the pics it looks pretty good.
. Skip to the first star if your interested in just the race part cause there is a bit of story to tell.
... Its all good not going to get in a flame war cause I know how that gets no point... point is I know it happened.... if you don't believe me its all good 
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