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It's a 93 and thats all I know, some guy was trying to tell me that it was sooooo fast. I can run 100 mph in the quarter in my 89 iroc L98. ( times are less impressive ie low 14's due to first time out and massive wheelspin on old crappy street tires, can you say 2.4 60' times, gonna put some sticky tires on and go 13's)
Does this guy stand a chance, I've got new street tires, SLP headers, pullies, new prom, cold air intake since I ran the low 14's at a hundred. I figure it's an easy 13 second car with traction.
depends on the mods he has put in and how far you are racing. You will definetly take him off the line but watch out cause once he hits 3rd those sho's pull HARD. If he has kept it stock you'll win for sure. Also depends on if its an atx or a mtx
Whats the difference between an ATX or an MTX? How do you tell?
Thanks for the replys, I figured it couldn't be as fast as he thought, I mean it's a Taurus.
First off the SHO isn't a high 15's car. With the 5 speed it's a low 15's stock! How do I know...hmmm....maybe it's because I can name 8 people that own a 2nd gen SHO. Anyways, if you say you're low 14's then you should win. There are not a lot of mods for the SHO's to make them go much faster than 14.5 (larger MAF, exhaust, cold air) even the cam options they have are just a reground original. There are a few supercharged making 300hp at the tires but even fewer with No2.
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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website
Thats a bunch of bs. Those cars couldnt be factory low 15 second cars if they tried. I don't care who you say you know. Low 15s yes, with extensive mods. Not stock.
OK The Taurus sho is a damn fast car. It is a V6 24valve 220hp out of the factory. The mods you can put on them can get guys into the 13's and 14s. Do not take the car for granted they are fast especially if you are racing over a fair distance. ATX = automatic
MTX = manual. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THEY ARE FAST. My bro owns one.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mattsamazing: OK The Taurus sho is a damn fast car. It is a V6 24valve 220hp out of the factory. The mods you can put on them can get guys into the 13's and 14s. Do not take the car for granted they are fast especially if you are racing over a fair distance. ATX = automatic
MTX = manual. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THEY ARE FAST. My bro owns one.</font>
The mods you can put on most semi-performance cars can get them into the 14s and 13s. No real point there. Now...the Taurus won't see 13s with bolt on mods. It will either take major internal engine modifications (pistons/cam/heads), or with forced induction (blower/turbo)or NOS.
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I've read that the sho engine was originally delivered to ford and cranked out 300 hp. Ford did not want a 'family' car to outperform the mustang so.. They did a number of things to slow the car down. By undoing some of these things and adding on some mods these cars can run.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by theformula:
The mods you can put on most semi-performance cars can get them into the 14s and 13s. No real point there. Now...the Taurus won't see 13s with bolt on mods. It will either take major internal engine modifications (pistons/cam/heads), or with forced induction (blower/turbo)or NOS.
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helllo?! Taurus' DID come with forced iduction. Can we say SUPERCHARGER?
Correct me if i'm wrong, but dont smaller pulleys count as bolt-ons? All you have to do is replace the restrictive factory air cleaner with a quality one like K&N and throw a smaller pulley on the supercharger and you've added about 3 or 4 lbs more boost. I've heard that you can add 2-3 lbs of boost on Lightnings just by taking off the factory airbox and putting on a K&N filter. No wonder its so easy to get Supercharged cars faster than N/A cars...all ya have to do is pump up the boost...I can see a Taurus hitting high 13's with bolt ons.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 5.0GTA:
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Originally posted by theformula:
The mods you can put on most semi-performance cars can get them into the 14s and 13s. No real point there. Now...the Taurus won't see 13s with bolt on mods. It will either take major internal engine modifications (pistons/cam/heads), or with forced induction (blower/turbo)or NOS.
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helllo?! Taurus' DID come with forced iduction. Can we say SUPERCHARGER?
Correct me if i'm wrong, but dont smaller pulleys count as bolt-ons? All you have to do is replace the restrictive factory air cleaner with a quality one like K&N and throw a smaller pulley on the supercharger and you've added about 3 or 4 lbs more boost. I've heard that you can add 2-3 lbs of boost on Lightnings just by taking off the factory airbox and putting on a K&N filter. No wonder its so easy to get Supercharged cars faster than N/A cars...all ya have to do is pump up the boost...I can see a Taurus hitting high 13's with bolt ons.
I've seen sho's hit 14's easy with bolt ons some probably hit 13's. Don't underestimate their power. If it is a MTX it will be a little faster.
HP GAIN
1 True Dual Exhaust System 10-15
2 High Flow Cats Included in above
3 Eddlebrock 5502 Mufflers Included in above
4 73 mm. Mass Air (Vortech) 7-10
5 Ram Air Setup No telling
6 Underdrive Pullies 10-12
7 Lifetime Performance Module 5-10
8 K&N Panel Airfilter 2-4
9 Grizzly Ninja Street/Strip Clutch 0
10 RedLine MTL Trans Fluid 0
11 Tokico Struts 0
12 Energy Suspension Polyurethane Bushings 0
Horsepower @ the Wheel:205.2
Torque @ the Wheel:199.2
Horsepower @ the Crank:250.2
Torque @ the Crank:242.9
My best time is now a 14.5@ 97
This is a guys 92 SHO. Look at his mods and look at his sig. He didnt hit 13s
I should say, he does own a 1990 heavily modified SHO with Greddy Turbos that runs low 13s. Thats "ok". I think the turbo 11 second 4 cylinder hondas at Cecil County are a little more impressive though.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 88firebirdTBI: Once again theformula you no nothing of what you speak of. they are low 15's from the factory. that is all i am gonna say
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1995 Ford Taurus SHO 7.7 15.8
1991 Ford TaurusSHO 7.7 16.2
1989 Ford Taurus SHO 8.0 16.2@90mph
You're right, I'm such a moron mr. TBI.
Forgive me for my ignorance. Maybe oneday you can teach me more about cars. You should know a lot since you probably are in the 15s.
theformula, don't make me reach through the monitor and bltch slap you. They run low 15's stock. Let me give you the run down because I think some of you are missing the point and don't understand where I'm coming from. It all started when I was in high school. My friend got a white 92 sho, he crashed it leaving my house so he got a black 92. Loved the sound of the intake with it's dual runner design (very smart, made for a great power curve when at high rpm the short runners got opened). Anyways, that friend joined the <a href="http://www.klimesgroup.com/lshoc/">Liberty SHO club</a> and ever since it's been nothing but SHO knowledge pounded into my head. My friend is Bill Murray, read the members list. I also know Terri, Dan Kelly, Joe Snyder, Ian, and Allen. The people not on the list that I also know own SHO's are Bills cousin Tim and my other friend Kevin. I've been to englishtown and atco raceway with a bunch of them. With a few minor mods they run 15 flat with the 5 speed. A few more minor mods and they're into the high 14's but then it gets harder and harder to run lower times since it's front wheel drive and they can't really make huge 60' differences UNLESS they install a locking diff unit which Joe Snyder has done. I just got back from visiting Bill in NJ and we went over to Ian's house. He's got a parts car with engine all taken apart, and 2 other SHO's in the driveway. I also went to a dyno in penn, Germantown or something near the boarder. There I saw real dyno runs and even got to inspect a supercharged SHO that pulled over 300hp at the wheels. So if you want to believe a website with posts from people that don't know how to drive the cars....sure, go ahead and believe Car & Driver and their ***** foot 1/4 times. Don't even get me started. Let's just say they're usually about .3-.4 seconds from the real deal.
Not to mension the <a href="http://www.klimesgroup.com/showagon/">SHO wagon</a> (aka Thumper) is about 10 minutes from home and I've seen it before. Don't be fooled by the looks, they're true sleepers. Honestly I must have spent about the same amount of time/miles in a SHO then I have in my f-body's.
If you have a fast internet connection then watch this clip: <a href="http://www.jacksonville.net/~sho/sho9c.mpg">It's a turbo SHO so don't expect to race this on the street.</a>
So have I convinced most of you that the SHO isn't just another Taurus or must I go on?
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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website
Theformula, that kind of thinking will get you burned. The sho is a major sleeper car. That's one of the beauties of them, you see them at a light 'its just a taurus' then you get your *** handed to you, or a race is a little too close to comfort. They are suprisingly fast.
lol... "theforumla," are you in some kind of reject-denial or what? First and second-gen SHOs can run low 15s bone stock, and several people have even hit high 14s bone stock. Facts are facts... I personally know one guy with a '92 who ran 14.82 stock, and there are several others who have hit 14.7-15.0. You can stop mag racing now... you're just as bad as the ricers who think that $2000 worth of "intake, header, and exhaust" will add 30hp to their Civic EX and make it possible for them to smoke 5.0s and LS1s. Your thinking is on the level of a three-year-old if you think that some worthless mag stat is the be-all-end-all of a car's stock performance. For someone who has over 1400 posts, one would think you'd be a little less ignorant.
Oh, by the way... speaking of homosexuals, I've heard that mag racers love to get blasted in the face from time to time with some high-protein seed... can you verify the rumor for me?
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Car mag times don't mean squat. My car with a K&N panel filter ran a 15.05@91.82.
And that was at Quaker City Raceway (damn track goes UPHILL!)
An SHO isn't going to take an LT1 or LS1 without some serious mods (SC)... and even then probably can't. They are fast but, lets keep some perspective here! But, the older TPI IROCS and such are Certainly beatable. I've run a few and haven't had any problems short of one that had a Vortec SC... That thing was fast!!
If you're running low 14's, you'll win unless the SHO's been modded.
theformula, sorry but I have to beat you up some more. Here is an e-mail I just got from Ian.
"Hey
Its Ian, Bill's friend. I just read what you wrote on the F-body message
board. I am still laughing; that was great.
I thought that you might find this of interest. This is an 89 SHO that is
completely stripped out. Only mod is a factory 3.2L motor from an ATX bolted
to an MTX trans. I think that he might have UDP's on it now. (BTW, the 3.2
ATX block swapping is what I am doing with my block and my MTX. The rotating
assembly is completely out now; time to start rebuilding and parts swapping.
yay!)
anyway..take it easy
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Nunnally [mailto:manunnal@netheaven.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:05 AM
To: SHOtimes
Subject: 13.2 @ 105
Didn't crack the 12's tonight, then again I wasn't really feeling it
either. I was hoping for a 13.1 but the stock clutch disc is really taking
a beating. Slipping here and there, so it's cool down time when that
happens. I found I cannot slip the clutch even the least amount of bit
leaving the line, if I do, then it slips on the 1-2 shift, then in 3rd. If
I simply shock load it, it hangs in there down the track. The stock lining
just doesn't like heat. This is with a 40-50 hp shot on the bottle. That's
the lining, as for the IRT PP, the thing is a beast. As much as I shock
load the heck out of this thing, and give it the beating it gets, it is
doing A OK in my book.
13.2 @ 105.8 was the best time of the night. Clutch was slipping on the
2nd run, so I was driving it maybe 95% the rest of the night, somewhat
taking it easy on the shifts. Put down 13.30's and 13.40's. Finally when
they called 15 min till closing lanes, I figured it was time to uncork it
and wail away on it, if it slipped, oh well i'd be going home anyway. Turns
out it hung in there since I wasn't slipping the clutch off the line, i was
dropping the clutch @ 3400 rpms with 19 psi in the tires. Almost got into
the 1.9x range for the 60', 2.03 was my best. I have got to get those
brackets on the rear springs to control the squat. I think there is 2
tenths just on the line.
I run a lot better when I got somebody beating on my doors, so the best
runs of the night were with a Nova with a 502 CI big block, and a 429 carb'd
BB in a Fox capri. I barely nosed the capri but the Nova had me by a
whisker. I was a couple of mph faster in the traps over the Nova, but he
was in the 1.9x range for the 60' and that's where he got me. Both runs
were a blast though, door to door all the way down, just banging away at the
shifter having fun!
Ran the g-tech tonight to compare to the track, and had a good chance to
level it off and set it correctly tonight and it was DEAD on. One run i
went 13.39 and the g-tech said 13.38. Can't beat that. Most were within
.05 of the track. Mph the usual 4 extra. I clocked a 0-60 of 4.80 sec on
the 13.2 run. yee haa!
Kill list from tonight:
WS-6 T/A (really enjoyed that one as I overheard the driver say "I hate
SHO's")
429 Fox capri
Honda Civic
60's Fairlane
Impalla SS
Intrepid
Giddy up. 12's will come later...I'm getting there, a tenth at the time <g>
Mark Nunnally
White 92
light 89"
50hp shot of No2 and stripped out with 3.2L stock engine 5speed and the thing is in the low 13's. Could you post your times? I don't think I've ever heard of you going to the track since you have the supercharger I'd like to know the details. That was on a serious note.
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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by theformula: Thats a bunch of bs. Those cars couldnt be factory low 15 second cars if they tried. I don't care who you say you know. Low 15s yes, with extensive mods. Not stock.</font>
I don't normally get tied up in these kind of arguments but just so you know. I ran a 14.79@ 94.7 BONE STOCK. That was a 2.20 60ft which is quite good for that car. I added a dynomax cat-back, K&N, and ran a 14.71@ 95.1. This was with a 2.26 60ft and a very weak, slipping clutch. Then I added a 75MM MAF (picked up a dyno verified 9FWHP.) Went to the track the next day and ran a 14.603@ 97.22. This was with the same ailing clutch. I've added a new clutch but haven't returned to the track.. The reason so many SHO's are so slow is because it is a hard car to launch properly. I believe with a good clutch and sticky tires the SHO has a 14.2 in it. Who knows..Either that or it'll break some ****.
If you run 14.00 at 100 you shouldn't have a problem. In a street race if you let one jump you and get into that sweet spot (3500+ rpm) you will have you hands full.. But you said you've added extra parts so then again don't worry.
I have a buddy that frequent's this list and he can verify that I'm not lying. He owns a couple third gen Camaro's.
Oh look Jprevost got his internet friends to come here. how fun. You're always trying to out do me aren't you . Do I really make you feel that inferior? I didn't mean to intimidate you.
Sorry guys, no SHO is going to worry me. I ran 12.8@113mph Gtech a few weeks ago. I believe the mph is really 109mph though. So really I ran a 12.8 at around 109mph. Keep in mind, this was on a 41/2" blower pulley, with full interior and a bass tube in the back. I'm 100% street legal by the way. I recently swapped to a 3.25" blower pulley I bought from Blown85 T/A which will give me about 8lbs of boost at 5k (read: double the boost). Let's see, with this setup I will be low 12s/high 11s. Don't have to worry about traction, that's what the Hoosiers are for GLenP. has done it on a stock 91 305 with a paxton (8lbs)(w/bolt ons), and voodoo fighter has done it on a Paxton blown 87 305 auto (12.3 actually).
So say what you want to say guys. You won't be catching me though.
(even if you do have a 350 TBI bwhahah)
Jprevost, you seem a little over-sensitive. Why do these forum discussions mean so much to you? You get in a discussion, you get your buttbuddies to come here. We discuss radar detectors, you go call laser/radar experts??!!?? Get a life and stop trying to compete with me...Is your life really that boring , you have to argue with someone on the internet? lol You need to ask yourself, "why do I take this so seriously" and spend some time getting your 350TBI to finally break 13s.
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91 Formula 1LE 1 of 46
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6
Paxton SN92 supercharger(SN93 upgrade), Ford SVO 24#injectors, Crane AFPR,SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March alt. pulley,Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5200rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,custom chip,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.
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Oh man, I'm going to let your think that I want to race you (where did I say that?). And what is this comment about how I spend my time on these boards? Where do you come up with the right to tell me I can't argue against you? Is it because after I comment on how full of BS you are, you get all offended. Dude, let me point some stuff out to you because you are obviously missing the point. Stock for stock the SHO will take most thirdgens.
I'm tired of seeing you give bad advice, it's that simple (believe it or not). I actually care that people get GOOD advice from this website.
What is your problem anyways? Are you threatened by ME, not the other way around. It seems like everything I prove you wrong you take shots at me that are off subject.
What is up with you promoting Whistler? I thought you said you got laser false alarms?
Mine has never gone off because of a false alarm and I have a Bel, hmm...think about that for a minute. If I were you I'd do a little more research/homework before you open your mouth.
Why is it you think I told my friends to come online? I didn't you dumb ****, I just gave them the link about it because it IS about THEIR cars (or have you forgoten) so they felt you were full of BS. They comment and make you feel even dumber so you take a shot at me because you can't admit that you don't know what you're talking about. I'm glad you have a g-tech run, maybe you should take it to the track where the real guys race.
BTW: You laughed at my 350 TBI setup, you really are full of **** aren't you?
Maybe you should think that for the price of your SC I have a 330hp NA engine under my hood with WAY more potential than your car! Did that ever cross your mind? Not saying a SC is a bad thing, just saying I spend $3000 for my engine. Now if I do a cam swap, SC, or maybe just a simple No2 shot I'll make you wish you had TBI.
What really ticks me is that you said:
"So say what you want to say guys. You won't be catching me though" What the ****? Are you still in denial about being wrong with the comment, "Thats a bunch of bs. Those cars couldnt be factory low 15 second cars if they tried. I don't care who you say you know. Low 15s yes, with extensive mods. Not stock."
Maybe you should spend less time posting and more time researching before you open that trap or yours.
One last thing, about me always trying to out do you, you're right, but the fact is that everybody is agreeing with me.
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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website
My '95 SHO 5-speed ran a 15.2@93 at Great Lakes dragaway in Union Grove, WI. If anyone would like to see the timeslip I'll scan it for them.
I am a poor drag racer - only done it twice, and ran full tire pressure, with a full tank of gas on a completely stock motor. This is even before I had a major tuneup done to the car. Also, supposedly the later year cars are slower than the earlier ones. It is not unheard of to hear of an '89 doing a 15 flat. Anyway, enough excuses. I ran what I ran. Personally, I prefer autocrossing. You get to turn.
i beat my friend in his 91 SH-slow pretty soundly with my ghetto L03.
but at the same time, i know a guy here who spent alot of money on his SHO, and he can hand me my A$$. his is a fast car. so as long as this guys hasn't done too much to it, you should kill him.
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Dewey 3:16
90 RS 305 TBI LO3
36mm/24mm swaybars, Spohn Panhard, Sphong LCA's, and RLB. Edelbrock STB, and K&N.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by theformula: 1995 Ford Taurus SHO 7.7 15.8
1991 Ford TaurusSHO 7.7 16.2
1989 Ford Taurus SHO 8.0 16.2@90mph
You're right, I'm such a moron mr. TBI.
Forgive me for my ignorance. Maybe oneday you can teach me more about cars. You should know a lot since you probably are in the 15s.</font>
now was all this supposed to sound like a dumb *** rant from the misinformed or is that just the result? i have seen a lot of sho's go into the 14's with very little effort, several even made it to the low 14's. i autoX with a guy that can run his down the lane in 14 flat on a full road race suspension and street tires.
the plain fact is that while they are not fast out of the box, it does not take a ton of hp to make them a lot quicker. once the owner learns to launch the car well and a few little power parts are added they can be much quicker, just like most cars.
lata
tim
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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.209@95.46mph
Best 60' 1.917
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helllo?! Taurus' DID come with forced iduction. Can we say SUPERCHARGER?
Correct me if i'm wrong, but dont smaller pulleys count as bolt-ons?
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Well, since you asked, I am correcting you. The Taurus never came with a SC. Where did you get this info from?
Ian
93 SHO mtx
94 SHO atx
project motor
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Hey, just watch what your saying about SHO's beating "older" TPI IROCs. Id love to see a decently modded SHO try and hang with this "OLDER" TPI IROC. And even if these SHO's can run 13's, so what? How does that qualify as a good sleeper? A 63 Biscyane with a punched 409 is a sleeper, not a 13 sec Taurus. 13 seconds isn't competitive on the streets. Trust me, i know, thats what Im running. Ill say the same thing i do about rice. Sure you can make it go fast, but for half the cash I get twice the perforamnce and 4 times the respect on the streets.
Never Underestimate A Thirdgen
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1988 IROC-Z L98
License Plate: STG KLR 1
Engine Mods:
Edlebrock TES Headers, Hypertech Chip, Flowmaster Muffler, Intake Airfoil, Removed MAF Screens, MSD-6A, MSD Blaster 2 GM Coil, bored .030 over, Other minor mods
Suspension Mods:
Lakewood Traction Action Lift Bars, Hal Rear Shocks
Trans Mods:
2,500 stall converter, Redline clutches,Heavy Duty Steels, Trans-Go reprograming kit , Heavy Duty 2-4 band, Corvette Servo, B&M Mega Shifter w/ Carbon Fiber Handle (looks sweet in a black car!)
ET: 13.833@99.30
"If you can put it on your car, its fair" Quote By Guido
Foundering Member of the Illinois Overkill Crew (IOC) www.mfba.org
Ian is correct. The SHO never was, in anyform, super or turbocharged. Even Ford seems to be unaware of this, as some of their documentation indicates the car to have a supercharger, but it did not occur. Someone somewhere probably assumed that a motor as small as a 3L must have one to put out 220hp. Any other v6 at the time pushing that much was charged, so it seemed logical to them. At any rate, it never happened. If you come across one with either type, the car will be pushing anywhere from 270 (no other mods) to 480hp.
The magazine stats, as with any tested car, are unreliable and ill gotten. Well driven MTX SHO's will reliably get 15flat to 15.5 if they have decent tires (pretty critical on this FWD). I'm not talking about the ones that have 60Lbs of crap in the trunk and have not been tuned since 1995. It's easy to find slow SHO's; I beat them in my SHO several times a week, and I have just a cold-air snorkel and solid subframe bushings, good for a few hp at best. But my car is tuned, and I have new bushings all around the car. Also, I have one of the stronger MTX's (similar to hand-built sports cars, each SHO seems to have it's own personality and capabilities) Not a lot more, but it's the difference between winning and losing to that older IROC or slightly modded Mustang. Do I lose? Not often. Pre-98 (280hp year?) slightly modded stangs do not win. Camaros; no one has raced me with anything older than a late 80's model, so far only one loss to a 350hp rust-busket a friend owns. Sorry, 88blkIroc, but the SHO is indeed a great sleeper; very few people expect them to do 15's, because we're all used to the 17's and 18's the SLO's run (Ford's 3.0 and 3.8 motors). No one ever initiates runs against me, because they don't think I can go. I have to do a few 8k blips to get them interested. "It's just a Taurus"
Yes, it is. I'm glad, though, that it doesn't have a Ford designed and built V6.
My 91 SHO did a 15 in the 1/4 stock.. (unless you count K&N) some are pretty damn quick fords advertised numbers were like 240 hp I knwo they were faster than the stangs they were making for a while.. SHO's are nothign to scoff at... You should be able to take him unless he's done some nice **** to it.. it is the only ford I like.. ultimate sleeper IMO..
NO they never had SC or TC.. there was a taurus ford made before the SHO that coudl be had with turbo.. but they were slow with ford engines.. once they got yamaha to make them a goo dengine they ditched the turbo since it made roughly 280 crank HP..
it is a quick car.. and stable at 160 I knwo from experiance .. also I was the driver that got 15 flat in that car 5speed manual
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79 T/A 455 WS6
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PMD- Show me a factory turbo'd Taurus, please. They never existed in the US, and I've not heard of them being anywhere else.
280HP? Hell no.
The 3.0L MTX (89-95) was spec'd at 220hp.
The 3.2L ATX (92?-95) was spec'd at 220hp with more torque at the low end.
The 3.4L v8 (96-99) was spec'd at 235hp.
The stronger motors obviously generate more power than Ford declared, but nothing like 280hp.
What to expect from an SHO (not an SLO with stolen 24V DOHC stickers).
Unmaintained: 200hp. Slow if an ATX.
220-230 if tuned PROPERLY. Few shops can do this correct, especially the dealerships. I'd guess the vast majority of SHO's are in need of serious maintenance, but then, the vast majority are owned by people that have no clue about the car, and do not untilize it's potential.
230-240 if it has the most popular first mods, UDP's and a hi-flow y-pipe (the stock pipe flows horribly. Look at one and you instantly know why).
After this, 80mm MAF, LPM, stage II cams, big bore butterflies and TB, and other available mods can bring the car N/A up to 300hp. Chargers and spray obviously takes you further.
A 3.2L dropped in an MTX using some of the 3.0L parts can run up to 230hp with no mods.
There is a 3.6L stroker available. I'd guess with a few mods they'd be running 300. At least one member is known to take SupraTT's and the like with fair ease.
With the SHO, all you have to beware is the rare enthusiast. The build numbers of the model are small, and the enthusiasts are even smaller in numbers. You will know when you've found one of us, but it may be a long time before you do.
And for the civic owners, it's a fine car you have there, but making it run 13's is not impressive. Making a 3500Lb car do that with a 3.0L that dates to 1987 is a different story. Along those lines, I guess everyone sucks compared to motorcycles, they must be running, what, 1200hp? If you wanna play god of speed, how about dividing your trap times into your vehicle's weight? Better yet, let's play the hp/litre game!!! I've got 73.3hp/litre NA on my 14 year old design, what do you have? Oh, wait! Do I get credit for age? How about points added for Ford actually being able to shoehorn the motor in there? Should I get more point for having more rotational weight!!?! What about points for a useable rear seat and trunk!!?!!?!???! Are points deducted for having one of the first oem ***** light setups, even if it's only in the front of the car? How about adding point for having a spare tire that is actually quite close to the height of the stock tire? Do I lose point for the power antenna? Wait!!!!...
Sorry, I had to. It's funny how people get all tied up over their cars and how they compare to other vehicles that are not even remotely similar, let along in the same class. I drive my SHO everyday because it has four doors and flys. I drive my Mustang when I want that extra boost of my stroker motor. I race them both, they are both fun, and I feel no need to belittle anyone when I lose. Why should I? I had no business revving on that Viper...
Oh, yeah, for $2000 I can get a vehicle that cooks any vehicle anyone here has, so nyaa nya nya nya nyaa nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
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If only my 5.0 put out 73 stock, I'd not have needed to pt all that time and money into it. Better yet, the 571 in my Caddy. What is that, around 9L?
Well, the subframe connectors and UDP's are here, guess I'll not be calling my SHO stock next week. It's kinda sad actually, I've quite enjoyed telling people they got beat by a stock Taurus. If I say it's modified, they'll think I've dropped 4k into bolt-ons or blowers. Guess it's time for Unca Ben stickers and non-matching interior race accessories. I need a Greddy shift knob pronto for it's extra 25 ponies.
Who gives a rats a** about a sho.Nothing but another ***** if you ask me.I got a suggestion why do'nt all you sho people go back where you came from.
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Well then whats the hold up tough guy?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fast iroc: Who gives a rats a** about a sho.Nothing but another ***** if you ask me.I got a suggestion why do'nt all you sho people go back where you came from.
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How can you call a sho a *****?? Are you retarted? Do you know what rice is?
This is what bugs me about some people, their complete and utter ignorance to things. Next some of you people that are bashing the sho (cause you obviously don't know what it is) are gonna sit here and tell me that the grandnational or regal t-type is slow. I'd love to see one of you pull up next to a well maintained sho, gn or regal t-type and laugh at them cause you think they are just slow cars and then get your *** handed to you.
How can you compare a sho to a grand national?There completly different a sho is just a family car on a little steriods.These cars are butt f*cking ugly.You can get a grand national down in the 10's eazy lets see how eazy and expensive that is on a sho.Speaking of people that are retarded you better look at yourself
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Can we all say front wheel drive blah! blah!Canwe say rear wheel drive yepe!yepe!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Catz0: PMD- Show me a factory turbo'd Taurus, please. They never existed in the US, and I've not heard of them being anywhere else.
280HP? Hell no.
The 3.0L MTX (89-95) was spec'd at 220hp.
The 3.2L ATX (92?-95) was spec'd at 220hp with more torque at the low end.
The 3.4L v8 (96-99) was spec'd at 235hp.
The stronger motors obviously generate more power than Ford declared, but nothing like 280hp.
What to expect from an SHO (not an SLO with stolen 24V DOHC stickers).
Unmaintained: 200hp. Slow if an ATX.
220-230 if tuned PROPERLY. Few shops can do this correct, especially the dealerships. I'd guess the vast majority of SHO's are in need of serious maintenance, but then, the vast majority are owned by people that have no clue about the car, and do not untilize it's potential.
230-240 if it has the most popular first mods, UDP's and a hi-flow y-pipe (the stock pipe flows horribly. Look at one and you instantly know why).
After this, 80mm MAF, LPM, stage II cams, big bore butterflies and TB, and other available mods can bring the car N/A up to 300hp. Chargers and spray obviously takes you further.
A 3.2L dropped in an MTX using some of the 3.0L parts can run up to 230hp with no mods.
There is a 3.6L stroker available. I'd guess with a few mods they'd be running 300. At least one member is known to take SupraTT's and the like with fair ease.
With the SHO, all you have to beware is the rare enthusiast. The build numbers of the model are small, and the enthusiasts are even smaller in numbers. You will know when you've found one of us, but it may be a long time before you do.
And for the civic owners, it's a fine car you have there, but making it run 13's is not impressive. Making a 3500Lb car do that with a 3.0L that dates to 1987 is a different story. Along those lines, I guess everyone sucks compared to motorcycles, they must be running, what, 1200hp? If you wanna play god of speed, how about dividing your trap times into your vehicle's weight? Better yet, let's play the hp/litre game!!! I've got 73.3hp/litre NA on my 14 year old design, what do you have? Oh, wait! Do I get credit for age? How about points added for Ford actually being able to shoehorn the motor in there? Should I get more point for having more rotational weight!!?! What about points for a useable rear seat and trunk!!?!!?!???! Are points deducted for having one of the first oem ***** light setups, even if it's only in the front of the car? How about adding point for having a spare tire that is actually quite close to the height of the stock tire? Do I lose point for the power antenna? Wait!!!!...
Sorry, I had to. It's funny how people get all tied up over their cars and how they compare to other vehicles that are not even remotely similar, let along in the same class. I drive my SHO everyday because it has four doors and flys. I drive my Mustang when I want that extra boost of my stroker motor. I race them both, they are both fun, and I feel no need to belittle anyone when I lose. Why should I? I had no business revving on that Viper...
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the 280 was crank power.. they have dyno'ed at about 230 or so at the wheel which would be realistic #'s for crank power..
as far as the turbo tauras I have seen only one.. it was in a parking lot in 95 and it was a 89 Taruas.. I asked the guy if it was stock and he said it was.. the badging even looked like the same format and font fo the tauras decals... unless he was lying ( which he could have been) ifit was not stock I am not afriad to admit being wrong..
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Well I think we're dealing with a very mature person here: "Speaking of people that are retarded you better look at yourself" ~fast iroc
Dude, don't call a SHO rice, they were the complete opposite. Don't compare front wheel to rear wheel. And you just made me laugh with the statement about SHO's being butt f*ucking ugle and then go on to talk about the GN, lol . If you think the GN is better looking then you brought a tear to my eye, rofl.
He, lets stop with the flames. It was fun but it's time to put out the fire. Obviously the SHO is a fast car, 15 flat stock. There are PLENTY of mods but yes, they are more expensive than your typical chevy. They are not rice, if you think it is then you also need to a good bitch slap. GN etc can be made to be even faster (rear wheel drive potential + turbo...).
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fast iroc: How can you compare a sho to a grand national?There completly different a sho is just a family car on a little steriods.These cars are butt f*cking ugly.You can get a grand national down in the 10's eazy lets see how eazy and expensive that is on a sho.Speaking of people that are retarded you better look at yourself
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I'm not comparing the gn to the sho. They are very different cars. I was just making the point that some cars that might not be perceived at first as typically fast cars, might indeed be really fast stock. Some people have never heard of the gn and just see it as a typical buick. Then they soon realize that it's not. Just like the sho you may think it is just a taurus but if you race one you will see it's not just a taurus.
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Okay, first, before I say anything, SHOs don't bother me. Second, that is one hell of a statement to make on this board. I know you're talking about a bike, but go through a couple of threads here and take notice of all the motorcycles in the sigs. Welcome to the board, dude, but you don't have to be so immature.
And that goes for the rest of you too!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JPrevost: Well I think we're dealing with a very mature person here: "Speaking of people that are retarded you better look at yourself" ~fast iroc
Dude, don't call a SHO rice, they were the complete opposite. Don't compare front wheel to rear wheel. And you just made me laugh with the statement about SHO's being butt f*ucking ugle and then go on to talk about the GN, lol . If you think the GN is better looking then you brought a tear to my eye, rofl.
He, lets stop with the flames. It was fun but it's time to put out the fire. Obviously the SHO is a fast car, 15 flat stock. There are PLENTY of mods but yes, they are more expensive than your typical chevy. They are not rice, if you think it is then you also need to a good bitch slap. GN etc can be made to be even faster (rear wheel drive potential + turbo...).
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If you think 15 second 1/4 mile is fast your f*cking stupid.And i'll tell you what the sho is a f*cking ugly a** cars.And another thing i did'nt compare front wheel drive with rear wheel drive mattsamazing did read it.As for another thing i would like to see you bitch slap me you little 150 pound punk.
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