ThreeOhFive

My coworker owns a 2012 Altima, it's a 2.5 four banger with a CVT Automatic. It's the coupe model, might have 3,000 miles on it now. My Z28 is a LB9 with a WC T-5, non G92. Has 3.08 posi G80. 95,000 on the clock, all original, recent tune up. He has a lot of money, and wants to put big money on this. That Altima has get up, but is a 4-cylinder! No mods on his car, all factory. I got this right? He wants to go for a mile. He also has a 2008 Charger with a V6 and (lol) 22" rims. He would race for $1,000. That car has been kinda abused, has like 108,000 miles. I could use a few grand right now...

He thinks because my car is old, and his car is brand new, he'll get me. Lol he really thinks he's going to leave me in the dust.

midias

The do 0-60 in about 8 seconds. Go for it just make sure it is not a 3.5 6mt

big hammer

the 6 bangers can scoot along. but dont worry aboot the 4 banger.

freaky

it runs a 0-60 in 7.3 sec. as long as you have the top speed shutoff on your car disabled you should win a long run . if not he'll reel you in ...

BlackenedBird

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And the Altima owner may know about the speed limiter & be planning on it, so come prepared. The Speed Limiter is a simple thing to defeat to surprise him with, if he knows about it.

ThreeOhFive

What is the speed limiter on my Z28? I didn't think there was one on a Z, just on the RS?

Carlos773

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105ish If I remember right.

thebuffalo

my 88 trans am didn't have a speed limiter. as long as it's not the v6 you should win. a mile race though?

sailtexas186548

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run for a mile? your cars dont have near the power to justify that long of a race

oamhmad

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You'll kick the crap out of that lil *****. You have more hp, torque, better hp/weight ratio, and I'm pretty sure a lower drag coefficient.

Just run a couple of miles before the race an make sure your cars doesn't have speed limiter issues.

ThreeOhFive

We have A LOT of interstate around here, and get off work Saturday mornings around 6 or 7am, no traffic and thats when all the 5-0 disapear. He's crazy enough to run for a mile, just yesterday he was going 110-120 down the freeway racing my boss in his BMW, weaving in and out of cars. I was trying to keep up in my little beater Mazda Protege from Madison all the way to Sun Prarie I'll go for a mile, but I hate driving a Thirdgen at 100 plus. My old RS used to vibrate like crazy over 100, I never really drove my Z28 like that lol.

zraffz

This entire thing is a joke I hope? The battle of slow cars racing for 2 grand in a mile long stretch?!

Unless you have 2 grand to cough up if you do lose, I wouldn't do it. How do you know he isn't hiding something? Bottle doesn't make any noise and isn't hard to conceal.

BlueZee28

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I wouldn't bet $2,000 on it just for the simple fact that you're driving a manual, and if you choke, you're out $2,000 even though you had the faster car. (which you do)

thebuffalo

He might actually beat you in a mile race, I'm pretty sure those things go like 130-140 and I guarentee they climb 100+ a lot faster than your z28

my 2005 tiburon v6 tops out at 136, 170fwhp i think.

Thirdgen89GTA

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You say you could use a few grand right now, does that mean you can afford to LOSE 1k right now?

Thirdgen89GTA

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Seriously? If he drives like that, I be avoiding the roads when he was driving then.

You've never been over 100 in the Z? This sounds like all sorts of fail. Should I be looking for your car's wreckage on the news?

ThreeOhFive

I think the fastest I drove it was like 80-90. I really don't beat on it much. It's such a nice car, I feel bad lol.

ThreeOhFive

Lol LT1 isn't that much quicker than my slow TPI...

I don't think its going to be for big money anymore, maybe $100 or $200. He was just flashing his money like a poser. He must have done his research because he is kinda hesitant to race me now.

jwdomino

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sounds like an accident waiting to happen....

Thirdgen89GTA

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I'm all for TPI power when done right. But I'm not for ignorance. It wasn't so long ago that you were saying a TBI could take on a L98. Now you are doing it with the LT1 and the LB9.

Anytime you pit an LT1 F-body against a L98 F-body both in good running factory stock condition, it is the LT1 drivers race to LOSE. The LT1 makes 30-40hp more hp and the same amount of torque.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Did you watch F&F 1 or something?

midias

He lives his life a 1/4mile at a time and for that 17 seconds or more he is free

JekyllandHyde

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thebuffalo

lol'd at work.

Sojer

When will it happen my 87 iroc is goven at114 115 but will be tuned out

zraffz

You're right. The only difference is I wouldn't be asking a bunch of strangers on a forum if my LT1 could take your car for 2 grand and right off the line you'd be behind me and wouldn't catch back up

Feel free to come to NJ in a few months. I'll introduce you to a 3 speed LT1 that could shut down half way through the race and roll the rest of the way faster.

84firebird383

While I do believe you could get away with 100mph or better for a mile on the I 90 on a Saturday at 6 am. I think anyone one that does it is stupid, especailly racing a moronic driver like your "buddy" seems to be. Anything 25 MPH over the speed limit in Wisconsin is an automatic loss of liscensce on the spot if you get caught.

89iroc89

Buddy lost his license doing 26mph over in a 40mph zone in a subashit. He got a huge *** fine to.

freaky

i'd just race him for ***** an giggles if i was you . it sounds like he's trying to scare you with the big wager . i bet if you get up his *** one day leaving work he'll run ya .lol

heat seeker

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My thoughts exactly. The fact that you aren't aware, that you don't need a mile to race........means you shouldn't be racing.

Plain and simple.

Guest

aaron is that you....dont you lie to me....

patricklav

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I hate saying it, but i wouldnt race. That 20 yr old 305 isnt going to put out much more hp than that new altima, and it probably is alot lighter and handles better.

zraffz

Bro that 305 hangs with LT1s. Altima stands zero chance.

midias

Altima is about 3190 for a 4 door auto and about 3090 for a manual

shortyskater

As long as you dont granny shift and double clutch like you should, you will own him!

lb9 GTA

My peanut cammed 24 yr old 305 makes almost as much power at the wheels as that new altima does at the crank. Just saying.

patricklav

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that 305 produces 215 hp brand new. throw 95k miles on it and your getting less than that. the altima has 175 hp so power could be comparable.

im all for the 3rd gen winning, but i dont think its the slam dunk everyone thinks.

zraffz

I laughed my *** off lol!


... although if he loses, him and the mad scientists will have to tear down the block. Maybe they'll start with a 350 next time around!

lb9 GTA

I was being literal. My peanut camed LB9 dynoed at 165rwhp. And according to this site's technical data, his 305 was rated at 230hp.

https://www.thirdgen.org/1991-chevy-camaro

freaky

i hope thats a joke or a play on the fast a furious ... lol

heat seeker

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Nope, I think he's dead serious......you do know that the Fast and Furious is a true story.

freaky

rotflmfao !!!!

thebuffalo

Non-g92 he said, so he actually has 205hp brand new

The altima has 175 hp @ 3,180lbs, brand new technology, 6 speed? Maybe the new Nissan 7 speed. The altima WILL win in a MILE LONG race FOR SURE. I promise you this. There is NO WAY that a '91 z28 pretty much stock will top out higher. Being a "Flying Mile" thats all that it is, a top-out contest.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Actually in terms of terminal top speeds, Horse Power, Frontal Square Area and Coefficient of Drag are king weight means little in terms of maximum to speed. Gearing helps too, but weight plays a much smaller role. Its greatest effect is in Acceleration. But with as slow as these cars are they will be pretty close to terminal to speed.

Being a 5spd, it won't have the ridiculous OD WOT lockout that the 700r4's had so he could maintain WOT into 5th if he actually got there.

My GTA with the LT1 did a standing mile at 139mph. Top speed is in the 150-160mph range. More with the right gearing but as is I'll say its a solid 15x mph.

Most cars will probably reach about 80% of their terminal top speed in a standing mile assuming they aren't gearing limited.

I based that percentage on factory stock cars with documented top speeds and documented standing mile numbers.

thebuffalo

But the 5 speed vs the 6/7 speed that is in the altima, not to mention the altima is probably automatic which will shift faster & more efficiently. The altima will win in the mile. 1/8th and 1/4, not so much.

heat seeker

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I think we should create a board called: "Theoretical Engine Mods", that way we can intellectually argue over engine builds that will clearly never happen.

I think I'm on to something........

Thirdgen89GTA

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The extra gears make little difference in acceleration past 70mph for cars with this little power. Its all about Overall power and overcoming aerodynamic drag. You have 2 main variables that determine your overall drag that most of us will use.

Co-efficient of Drag (Cd)
Frontal Square Area. (FSA)

CoD is how efficient the shape is. FSA is how large the shape is.

The average thirdgen has a FSA of roughly 22ft^2 (can't find an exact number), and most of the Z's had a CD of .34 or so. There are some really basic formula's that can show you how drag builds up. Measured in pounds and mph.

Drag = (1/391) * Cd * A * V^2
Cd = Coefficent of Drag
A = Frontal Square Area
V = Velocity (mph)

Thirdgen camaro @ 50mph
(1/391) * .34 * 22 *50^2 = 47.82lbs

Thirdgen camaro @ 100mph
(1/391) * .34 * 22 * 100^2 = 191lbs.

47.82 / 191 = 3.994 (or roughly 4x the drag).

How about at 200mph? 765lbs.

Do you see how quickly drag builds as speed increases? The faster you go, the less effect weight has on acceleration because more power is required to overcome drag.

This is why salt flat racers load the cars down with weight. They aren't concerned with acceleration, they have enough room to get up to speed. They need to keep the cars on the ground and they want to do it with a minimum drag penalty. So they add weight, weight = free downforce.

thebuffalo

Ok, I can understand all that and I see exactly what you're getting at but..
My 2005 tiburon tops out at 146, it starts pinning. 4 speed automatic. I have beaten several stock z28's on the highway which is usually from a 60-70 roll. My tiburon also has about 175fwhp(front wheel not flywheel), same as the altima but weighs about 100lbs more.

The z28 will dominate the altima off the line due to the altima having FWD launch lag, then it will still dominate all the way up until about 80-90 and that is when the altima will probably start creeping up. Also, those new Civic Si's have like 150hp and they dominate my tiburon from 80+

zraffz

Can't believe this is still going on. OP's car is a turd, car he will never race but make a topic about is a turd as well.
I'm going to go scotch tape my eyes back and watch Tokyo Drift to see if I can figure out who would actually win if they had the ***** to race instead of throw words at each other.

lb9 GTA

That would mean your Tiburon makes MORE power than the Altima. It's 175hp is rated at the crank just like all production cars as per SAE regulations. Realisticly it probably makes around 140-145whp. And the op said its transmission is the CVT (think snowmobile transmission). And I could have sworn G92 was gearing, suspention and dule cats and all 5spd LB9s got the L98 cam. Oh well.