I put about 600-700 miles on my 83TA last year and maybe 1000 during the year before that. The crate motor that's in it now runs a lot cleaner than the LG4 did and it would probably meet emissions standards for the car/model/year if it was ever tested.
I don't think that my car is dirtin the place up too much compared to some of the crap that I see running around.
I think that gas is going to be big problem from here on in though.
F*ck OPEC, if we can supply 40% of the oil to the US we should be able to supply ourselves with no trouble at all and just cut the others out.
Does it have the EGR? If not your engine will fail the Nitrogen emissions, mine didn't have it and I was 8 times over the allowed limit hehe! Back when it needed to be tested that is. Everything else passed just fine on my old LG4.
MTO has been involved in special initiatives like ERASE where we join forces with the Municipal Police Forces and check souped up cars that are used for street racing. We have attended fairs and such for this. Sometimes the Ministry of Environment join us on certain blitzes and they are the ones responsible for emissions - they test fuel and check for excessive exhaust, colour of the smoke etc.
So in answer to who does the checking - it sounds like a little bit of everyone hehe! Key words here are "used for street racing" - a bit too open for my liking lol. So it's around, and I think ERASE is relatively new or just a new name for an old procedure.
Are you thick? How does my car produce more emissions? No car, or even humans are GOOD for the environment, but i am very environmentally concious. Ive done plenty for the environment, dont judge like you know me.
Did you read the three times i said im getting a cat???
MadDog, you are on the same page as i am, thanks for chiming in. I had a fairly interesting debate with a product specialist for GM who was advertising their new hybrid vehicles. In a nutshell, they wanted to give us $1000 cash, to get rid of the old vehicle and buy a new one.
First of all, when you get rid of a vehicle, it doesnt turn into 15 plush green trees, and some fuzzy bunny rabits, or even disappear into thin air, like they imply. It ends up in a junkyard. Did you know you cant dump oil or coolant down the drain? And metal has to be properly disposed of. Well guess what our cars are made of. Where do you think the coolant, and oil, and metal goes? What are the adverse effects of oxidation, or chemical contamination to open ground?
So you would have me beleive, that a RUNNING WORKING vehicle, which is obviously maintained, otherwise it wouldnt be on the road, is more pollutant than a toxic heap of metal and chemicals? Thats a tough argument.
Next up, they would have you beleive that a hybrid vehicle, some how, magically produces energy. Now they DO picth that to you, but some times they are careful, and turn that phrase into GAS MILEAGE improvement. Well gas is converted to energy through combustion, and its kinetic energy is harnessed.
Most hybrids use a braking system, that charges a battery while coasting, or braking. Now, the braking energy actually works, but when the energy is "harnessed" from coasting, it is slowing the car down. This energy is later used to propel the car. The braking energy is not enough to make a difference, but the car isnt actually making any new energy. You are just using energy you would have used ANYWAY, at a later time.
However, they do have fully electric vehicles, that bite a cost out of your home, and they have more intensive hybrid systems like in a yukon, that has a battery pack, and dual engines. They claim the yukon is the same weight, and it was lightened to accomodate the heavier battery pack. I dunno why they dont just lighten all of them.
Anyway, you will never convince me, that my car is MORE pollutant, while i maintain impeccibly, than if it were rotting in a toxic landfill. MY recently rebuilt engine is running perfectly, and if a 1969 chevrolet truck can be driven around, legally, so should my 1987 emissions exempt vehicle. A cat wont make much of a difference, but im still at risk after the $50 cat, because of egr, etc...
How does your car produce more emissions? Well it has twice as many cylinders as the average car, it apparently has no emissions equipment, it is 20 year old engine technology, and I am sure you are on the gas all the time, what 3rd gen owner isn't? Just look at your emissions results sheet and tell me what your Hydrocarbons are. Then do the same on a new vehicle. I am not judging you like I know you, I think everyone should keep their cat. You are required to have the emissions components the vehicle originally came with. Who's to say if I had a new Z06 Corvette I may only drive it 1000kms a year. Or if I had a '73 K10 I might drive it as a DD. As per a running car versus a crap heap in a dump, wrecking yards nowadays dispose of fluids and chemical properly, and have drainage systems to keep harmful fluids and chemicals out of water systems and such. A running car is polluting the atmosphere. Two different things. This argument is retarded. In fact there is no argument, I don't even get what you are trying to say? That your car in it's present state is better for the environment in the long run? And you are calling me "thick"....
How does your car produce more emissions? Well it has twice as many cylinders as the average car, it apparently has no emissions equipment, it is 20 year old
Key word here is MORE. Higher concentration does NOT equal more..... If you got stung by one really fat bee, it would really really hurt, but a hive of bees would probably kill you.
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Just look at your emissions results sheet and tell me what your Hydrocarbons are.
Dont have one, dont need one. the hydrocarbons will be higher no doubt, but see above statement.
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As per a running car versus a crap heap in a dump, wrecking yards nowadays dispose of fluids and chemical properly, and have drainage systems to keep harmful fluids and chemicals out of water systems and such.
I guess you havent been to a whole lot of junk yards. Check out Spirak's on hwy 31, or Stephen's Auto on Fernbank. Plenty of old cars there filled with fluids. Not near any water sources, but they arent exactly "sealed off" from the environment.
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I am sure you are on the gas all the time, ........... I am not judging you like I know you,
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This argument is retarded. In fact there is no argument, I don't even get what you are trying to say?
What im trying to say, is my car does not produce "MORE" emissions, and that there is a huge bias towards these cars. The law is the law, but i think its unfair they keep inventing new laws, so it doesnt seem like they are descriminating against car hobbiests.
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You are required to have the emissions components the vehicle originally came with.
Yes, thats what this thread is about. It wasnt there when i got it, so im working on putting it back.
I have a 95 LT1 in the car, just the engine, no EGR/CAT/AIR inj. It passed the HOTROD emissions test twice before being exempt due to age.
HOTROD = no visual check for equipment, just test the car and the gas cap. You just need a non-stock offered engine type/size. Do a search for some of my other old posts for more info. This has been beaten to death in the last 5 years here.
Key word here is MORE. Higher concentration does NOT equal more..... If you got stung by one really fat bee, it would really really hurt, but a hive of bees would probably kill you.
Dont have one, dont need one. the hydrocarbons will be higher no doubt, but see above statement.
I guess you havent been to a whole lot of junk yards. Check out Spirak's on hwy 31, or Stephen's Auto on Fernbank. Plenty of old cars there filled with fluids. Not near any water sources, but they arent exactly "sealed off" from the environment.
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What im trying to say, is my car does not produce "MORE" emissions, and that there is a huge bias towards these cars. The law is the law, but i think its unfair they keep inventing new laws, so it doesnt seem like they are descriminating against car hobbiests.
Yes, thats what this thread is about. It wasnt there when i got it, so im working on putting it back.
A) Not everyone drives their turd gen 1000kms a year though.
B) Point in case.
C) Sure there are a lot of crappy junkyards out there, there a lots of slumlords out there too, but that doesn't mean there are good places too.
D) Saying you are on the gas all the time isn't particularily judging you like I know you. People buy third gens because they are sporty looking, fast, V8 powered rear wheel drive muscle cars. Why bother buying one if you aren't going to put that performance to the road?
E) I know what you are saying, and I agree that the laws are flawed for people with our cars. Maybe if they are going to keep enforcing rules like this, they should implement more exemptions to those rules.
HOTROD = no visual check for equipment, just test the car and the gas cap. You just need a non-stock offered engine type/size
Where do you find this info? I've been scouring google and the Drive Clean website and the only info I found on "HotRod" (only 5 hits with the search word "hot" in the document) was this:
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4. Emission Control Equipment for Kit Cars, Rebuilt Cars and Hot Rods
The regulation contains the following provisions concerning kit cars, rebuilt cars and hot rods:
(1) Requirements for pollution control equipment on kit cars or rebuilt cars registered in Ontario
(2) Requirements for hot rods to meet emission control standards and have pullution control equipment attached
To me that sounds like the stuff should be on there. 6.1 and 7 goes on with this:
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6.1 and 7. Emission Control Systems or Devices
The regulation contains the following provisions concerning emission control systems or devices:
-Prescribes satisfactory replacements for emission control systems, devices, or parts
-Prohibition on operating a motor vehicle manufactured with pollution control equipment if the equipment is not properly maintained or not kept installed or not functioning as intended.
Then it blah blah blah's about ppm by volume etc etc. I really want to believe what you are saying hehe! But I don't see anywhere the methods of calling the car a hot rod, and reverting back to 1980 numbers after reading through the thread you mentioned from a year and a bit ago.
I'm referring to the Drive Clean Guide from 361/98 ammended and reissued Nov 2003. Newest one I could find. There definately needs to be more wording for hot rod, and what classifies a car as a hot rod. Like what I boldened above. Does that mean it's exempt from the equipment, if so - why? How? based on year?
Very Confusing.
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To add to fyrstorm (i guess my last post didnt go through), i was very surprised you got hotrod status. By the looks of it, it seemed you transplanted the engine around 2002, and i was surprised to see you were able to get by the 1999 clause....
Hotrod status means that the car is tested at 1980 emissions standard's, and has no visual check.
Im a little concerned in regard's to the emissions system in my car like i said. I will have all the emissions equipment that was present in 2004 (Evap), and i will also have the charcoal canister except it will be located up ontop of the fuel tank because that is how the Evap was mounted for the '02 camaro's.
I will have the cat's in their original place in my car, and i can guarantee that it will pass my '89 emission standard's with ease.
The simple fact is that my motor simply has no provisions for EGR, or AIR. I guess the engines we efficient enough for '04 that it wasnt needed?
I see no reason why they need to nail me for missing emissions equipment, when in reality, everything is in place as need be. The EVAP is there, and so is the Cat's.
I guess in the end i can only attempt to defend myself to a Smog police officer, and hope he see's my point. Otherwise ill be stuck with fines.
And for me, its cheaper to pay fines then modify the engine for EGR + Air (would need intake, heads, exhaust manifolds, EGR system, AIR System, tune for it all to function)
Hotrod status means that the car is tested at 1980 emissions standard's, and has no visual check.
Im a little concerned in regard's to the emissions system in my car like i said. I will have all the emissions equipment that was present in 2004 (Evap), and i will also have the charcoal canister except it will be located up ontop of the fuel tank because that is how the Evap was mounted for the '02 camaro's.
I will have the cat's in their original place in my car, and i can guarantee that it will pass my '89 emission standard's with ease.
The simple fact is that my motor simply has no provisions for EGR, or AIR. I guess the engines we efficient enough for '04 that it wasnt needed?
I see no reason why they need to nail me for missing emissions equipment, when in reality, everything is in place as need be. The EVAP is there, and so is the Cat's.
I guess in the end i can only attempt to defend myself to a Smog police officer, and hope he see's my point. Otherwise ill be stuck with fines.
And for me, its cheaper to pay fines then modify the engine for EGR + Air (would need intake, heads, exhaust manifolds, EGR system, AIR System, tune for it all to function)
sheldon, it might be cheaper for you to pay the fines, unfortunately they will also pull the license plates off your car, and make you get it re-etested and possibly safetied again. And then the next time they stop you, it will be the same ticket bs again.
And thats why I live in SASKATCHEWAN! (For those who don't know where that is, its roughly in central Canada! ) Here they don't check for that stuff or care...................yet
) Here they don't check for that stuff or care...................yet 
