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Old 01-09-2003, 08:03 PM   #1
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Let's talk pistons! Flat-top or dished for L98

Yeah, I know - it's a little knit-picky - but I'm currently doing a mild build on the ol' L98 for 88 IROC. But the more I research pistons, the more confused I get - stupid, yes, but get this.

The noted replacement piston from Federal Mogul is the STL-423NP (STL-H423NP for Hypers) ... specs say 8.4:1 compression but with what? Doesn't say.

The Flat-Top piston, STL-H345NP states 9.24:1 w/ 64cc head chambers. Some advertise (other sites) that these will give you 10:1 w/ 64cc head chambers - I would probably believe Summit.

I get yay's and nay's regarding getting flat-tops and here's what I think the confusion is.

Stock L98 compression ratio for 1988 is 9.5:1 - others argue 9.3:1, nevertheless, a flat-top piston would theoretically give you more compression, right? So why is the FM 345's spec out at 9.24:1?

Am I missing something here? I do realize that there is "advertised" compression and "actual" compression, based on the cam that the engine is running. I'm just talking advertised.

My goal is to stay at 9.5:1 compression since I am using the cast-iron L98 heads (with some work, porting, bowl work, 3-angle valve job and milled to approx. 62cc). I'm guessing that for the compression ratio noted for 64cc, add 2.33 (i.e. 9.3:1 would be about 9.53:1 w/ the 62cc chambers).

I don't want to risk detonation. The cam I plan on putting in is the XE269HR Comp Cams at 114 LSA (custom grind). Specs are 218/224 dur @ 0.50 and .495/.503 lift. I am also running ZZ9 code on the PROM for an 89.

In summary, where I'm confused is this. If I were to just go by the specs from Summit, I'd opt for the FM Hyper flat-tops since they say 9.24:1 w/ 64cc (estimating 9.47:1 w/ 62cc). But if stock are dished and getting 9.5:1 (for sake of arguement) - why would flat-tops provide "less" compression?!

Unless I'm looking at Vette L98 compression stats w/ aluminum heads at 58cc .... that would explain everything.
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Old 01-09-2003, 08:05 PM   #2
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Oh, I'm also getting headers and using the stock TPI induction system at first, then upgrade to the Holley Stealth Ram. Was thinking forced induction, but I think I'll stick with NA since I won't be able to keep the compression low enough with the stock heads.
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Boo yah, realized it while I was typing it so I dug a little deeper. L98 w/ iron heads @ 64cc is 9.0:1 and L98 w/ aluminum heads @ 58cc is 9.5:1.

Okay so is 9.5:1 too much compression for cast iroc L98 heads on pump gas?
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You should be able to get away with a 9.5:1 on cast iron and 10:1 with aluminum on high octane.

The things that will impact your compression ratio is piston, head gasket, combustion chamber size, and I guess deck height would also be a factor.

To do a true piston compression comparison make sure they are advertised at the same combustion chamber size and same thickness of gasket.
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I've seen 10.5:1 engine live fine on the street with 89 Octane WITH iron heads, and I've seen a 8.5:1 motor detonate like crazy with 93 Octane. Timing advance NOT being a factor.

Turns out the difference was the quench area. Too much can do weird things, so definitely take the depth of the piston in the hole in to account.


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Quench and cam profile have alot to do with it. Dynamic compression is a whole new ball of wax thats mostly a black art to normal people like us though. All we can do is make guesses.

I cant see 10:1 creating any problems on that setup. Shoot for 9.5 or 9.75, it'll be fine. If the manufacturer doesnt list all the specs, including compression ratio with a specific chamber size, call them.
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Go with flattops for sure.
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