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ok..im sure you have head this qustion a million times.. when will this intake be available as i am building an engine and need would like to have this intake befor i put it in..
This is as specific as he gets.
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Originally Posted by Bryan Rogers
Sometime in 2008 would be in the ballpark.
The way projects like this eat up time here is amazing.
I wish I could pinpoint it to a specific month but I would not want that month to come and go and be here looking like an *** or a liar.
I just finished installing a Super Ram, and it was very difficult. I can see from the photos that BBK has designed around a lot of the problems, but it takes time to make sure it will work properly and that they didn't miss any major fitment bugaboos on a number of different vehicles/combinations. Give 'em a break. Do you want it now, or do you want it RIGHT??
on the corvette forum you said you wouldnt recommend this manifold for a stock L98? why not? I would gladly give up low TQ to gain 52 TQ on the big end.
In addition, the poster name hippy on the CF seems like know it all jerk, please don't let people like that effect your hard (afterhours) work, we appreciate the product your designing for our TPI cars.
haha the turtle ram! imagine any peice of mechanical equipment with that name and tell me it doesn't make you laugh. then imagine someone you want to use it on, even better!
what IS this things name anyways? how bout "project tpi blue balls"? just kidding, good work ain't fast work, right?
It looks like a batch of cookies melted together, seriously this intake is UGLY let's hope this guy's effective and the cost stays down. Seriously, take a look, it looks like a morbidly obese TPI "the intake with cankles"! Is it a runner, or a plenum who knows that's the fun.
I still don't think this intake will be able to compare to the Stealth Ram.
your right...this beats the Stealth Ram by a mile!
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Originally Posted by 1991CamaroRslow
It looks like a batch of cookies melted together, seriously this intake is UGLY let's hope this guy's effective and the cost stays down. Seriously, take a look, it looks like a morbidly obese TPI "the intake with cankles"! Is it a runner, or a plenum who knows that's the fun.
1000 for---1 against!
I love it! Can't wait to lift my hood with this on. Even if it did look ugly--who cares? LSX are nothing to look at--but they preform, which is what matters.
Last edited by avro206; 12-26-2007 at 12:16 PM.
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People should take it easy on some of the negative comments, although some of us are aware that they're all in jest, we need to keep the inspiration behind the current piece going. I personally could care less what the intake looks like, so long as the flow numbers are there, and it's competitive with the higher priced setups. Obviously, Bryan started these threads to get the necessary feedback, but if we're going to start complaining about the looks of the plenum, be prepared to wait yet another possible year for the final result, and I want mine NOW.....!
__________________ '90 Trans Am GTA: 305 w/the stock TPI system... and T88 Turbo.
Fastest 305 on the planet...
I'd much rather be stroked first... then blown. Wouldn't you?
I'm willing to "shell" out some more money for this turtle ram...haha...sorry couldn't resist. I'm not negative on this intake at all. Melted cookies, turtle ram ,whatever, as long as it's a step above the TPI and comparible to say the superam I'm buying one. Its good to see a company still taking our cars serious in the aftermarket world. When is the last time we saw a company release an aftermarket power upgrade? The HSR is the only one I can think of in the last 5 or so years....am I wrong?
I'd love to see this unit with a mirror polish and the BBK logo in enamel blue,black or red. Put me on the "to buy" list.
also, I know it was just asked, and i know the answer was he doesnt want to give a date, but is there any way i can get a rough guestimate if it will be out before August 08? That is really about as long as i can wait to get my hands on a Turtle Ram
Not being negative,I`m just not impressed with the looks either.BUT THIS AINT NO BEAUTY CONTEST.I am much more interested in a nice performing intake.I still doubt we`ll see this thing in 08.Hopefully they`ll prove me wrong.
don't misinterperet me, i hope this comes thru but i do think the "turtle ram" name is going to be an unfortunate if laughable tagline.
sounds like a power rangers episode gone awry, "Turtle Ram, GO!!"
besides if the nam catches on at BBK what do you think will happen? they supply mainly FoMoCo do you think the garage guys over there would miss a chance to rag on us? hell no, we become a shop joke, interest goes up, project goes faster.
As far as the R and D taking so long, tpi hasn't been produced in more then ten years, bbk is the last one to the supper, in a way they HAVE to beat the other guys on price(demand is way down from ten years ago) and performance (why buy it if if doesn't at least match another brand on cost vs benefit) or else this will be a wasted endeavor, so they have quite a task to accomplish. Then again, they have more then one example to follow and learn from, as well as plenty of experience and a perfect read of what tpi guys are looking for. I think it's very near the bottom on their list of priorities and i agree it should be, who drives a stock tpi who has money for them to profit from? it's just business, don't take it personally but if we started another thread, a roll call of who's interested instead of cloggin this one up, and get the vette guys to put their names up as well, might encourage some progress.
Rockit, I SECOND your seperate interst thread. I honestly, 100%,whole heartedly, etc (you get the picture) will buy one of these if the price is similiar to the HSR and powerband similiar to the superram. I like the look of the BBK Intake (I want to coin the name turtle ram SO bad... ). First thing I'd do is polish that bad boy and then bolt on my existing BBK 58mm TB.
I originally posted in this thread 3 years ago, and I had forgotten about the BBK intake completely. I saw the post in the Alternative intake section about the "turtle ram" and I had to see this thing. After reading through all these posts, and seeing that there is a company out there taking the time and effort to bring out a "from scratch" product for our cars, it gets me excited. I can't wait to see one of these things in greater detail. Bryan, hats off to you for posting up here and gathering people's opinions as you worked on this intake.
BBK should build a bad *** thirdgen show car to showcase this thing on for next years SEMA show.
Excited, tell me how you feel in a couple more years and still no intake.
BBK = Blue Box of Krrrrrrap
Jerry
I agree with Jerry.
What makes you guys think this will actually be sold? As much as I hate to say it, the thirdgen market is at best a niche market. Why would a company spend thousands of dollars on R&D, marketing, product support etc when quite frankly, they cant make much money on it anyway. The only way this thing gets released is if they just thow together a piece of cr@p with very little money dedicated to research and development, or product support so it can be manufactured at a very low cost.
What makes you guys think this will actually be sold?
Aftermarket intake manifolds are still being developed for carbureted applications, and the demand for them seems to be just as high as it was for them back in the 80's. It's not necessarily the "Third Gen" market, but the enthusiasts who have stood loyal to early GM EFI applications all these years, and will continue to do so. The number of member's here has substantially increased since I became a member, with a lot of original member's looking to get their teenage kids involved now. I think this TPI intake will do extremely well for them, even moreso than the BBK LSX manifold, without a doubt....
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Originally Posted by cali92RS
...the thirdgen market is at best a niche market.
They're all specific, which market isn't in this business....?
__________________ '90 Trans Am GTA: 305 w/the stock TPI system... and T88 Turbo.
Fastest 305 on the planet...
I'd much rather be stroked first... then blown. Wouldn't you?
Aftermarket intake manifolds are still being developed for carbureted applications, and the demand for them seems to be just as high as it was for them back in the 80's. It's not necessarily the "Third Gen" market, but the enthusiasts who have stood loyal to early GM EFI applications all these years, and will continue to do so. The number of member's here has substantially increased since I became a member, with a lot of original member's looking to get their teenage kids involved now. I think this TPI intake will do extremely well for them, even moreso than the BBK LSX manifold, without a doubt....
They're all specific, which market isn't in this business....?
Amen brother , who says its stricktly a thirdgen market , ,you got all the hot rodders who are using tpi setups and my self a corvette owner so yes there is a market . If they can keep the cost down at like 400 dollars they will probably sell alot of these so yes there is money in it.
Amen brother , who says its stricktly a thirdgen market , ,you got all the hot rodders who are using tpi setups and my self a corvette owner so yes there is a market . If they can keep the cost down at like 400 dollars they will probably sell alot of these so yes there is money in it.
Along with the 3rd gen F-bodies, Corvettes, and Hotrods, there are a lot of people using them in trucks (especially ones that tow quite a bit) due to the low end grunt. I know my brother is thinking about TPI swap into his 93 Silverado (350TBI), and I have seen at least 10 TPI s-10s
And the R&D is done, didn't you see the pic above? If they have reached that stage, then there has been plenty of time and money spent, why would they then throw that away by not releasing a product that lots of people are interested in?
And the R&D is done, didn't you see the pic above? If they have reached that stage, then there has been plenty of time and money spent, why would they then throw that away by not releasing a product that lots of people are interested in?
Have you ever worked in a company where R&D is done?
The pretty picture is usually the FIRST thing thats done.
Hell, that could be some chunk of scrap metal someone fabbed up 10 years ago. How much testing has been done, tolerance stacks, qualification, contacting suppliers?
If youve ever designed something from scratch, you would know that you have a preliminary design a long time before anything is mass produced.
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
They're all specific, which market isn't in this business....?
Compare the number of vehicles over the past 50 years that have been carbeurated compared tho those that were TPI.
Last edited by cali92RS; 01-07-2008 at 10:12 PM.
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Lol this debate is still going on. Look if and when it comes out not many of you will buy it just like other items for Third Gens. unfortunately our vehicles(which I love) do not have the following of it's leeser competitor the Fox Body Mustang. The good news is that people still see a need to make parts and design new things so th right thing for us to do is when it comes out not to just sit and wait to read a magazine on the benifits of it and just go buy it, anything is better than spending close to $1000 on a long tube runner setup that doesn't breathe up top.
I persoanlly have a stealth ram and one o fthe first and it wasn't w/o it's on short comings. the intake always leaked from the inside of the intake gaskets and the fpr that comes with it wouldn't adjust more than 3 psi btw WOT and idle. I sent back the intake and got the new design at no charge but it did cause a lot of time and frustration. This may be an alternative to the stealthram but hard to say it will surpase the power numbers. Egr= hot air in your intake so most states dont visual inspect under the hood and you can say its under the intake anyway. how would they know? lol
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, BBK never ceases to prove their inability to engineer a good intake. just from that ONE picture you can see almost everything wrong with that POS. thank BBK, you havent let me down ONCE.
Oh, BTW, the first post of this thread came 10/29/2004...
Umm, yea, this manifold is really coming along.
You can $hit in one hand and wish in another, guess one will fill up first.
Well the r&d guy from bbk has been posting on the corvette forum recently. He says its coming along. I guess someone just keeps the same thread alive each time its brought up. It could possibly be a reality this time.
The replies to this thread remind me of a story from my past.
I used to be a chauffuer in L.A. before I went full time with BBK.
In the 5 years that I drove people around to all sorts of events, functions, trips, etc.... I got a chance to drive some celebrities.
One of those celebrities was Michael Jackson (NOT KIDDING).
I drove him and a group of 15 other people in a limo bus (like a conversion van on steriods)from Neverland Ranch to Las Vegas (looong drive).
Along the way, he jumped in the passenger seat and started talking to me.
He is a pretty normal guy in one on one conversation.
During the 20 minutes or so that I had one of the most famous people on the face of this earth sitting next me chatting about nothing really important, I asked him how difficult it was to be the center of what seems to be years of national criticism and rumors.
His reply -
" I never let the things they say about me bother me. As long as they are talking about me, that's all that matters. The only thing I have to worry about is when they don't talk about me anymore".
So please continue the conversations regarding the intake (which will be out as soon as possible). Even if you are going to say nasty (uneducated) things about it and BBK.
Bryan, sweet input. I met him as well when the MJ Restraunt opened at the Foxwoods casino in Connecticut. I'd hope no matter what peoples shortcomings have been or accomplishments have been with different aftermarket pieces that are built specifically for our cars is: atleast companies are still making parts that work with our cars!
I don't know where all the limited negativity has come from. So it got put to the back burner for a few years---big deal. It's well underway now, sounds like real progess has been made of late.
My car really need a better intake (and exhaust) LSX swap isn't in the cards here--so I really need this interest by the aftermarket.
Bryan have you been to the local 3rd gen meeting? I swear somebody told something similar but I'm pretty sure you haven't been there... a few of the guys are also ex chauffers from LA and have some interesting stories.
edit: N/M a different Bryan.. I think it was about who was a better tipper
I think it depends on how you have your post/page set up. 
.It looks like yes would be the answer to your question 
"the intake with cankles"! Is it a runner, or a plenum who knows that's the fun. 
). First thing I'd do is polish that bad boy and then bolt on my existing BBK 58mm TB. 
Occupation- R&D @ BBK
