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Same as the stock plenum,TB is removable
So,if you already have a cool 52 or 58 mm TB,you pay around $650 and use your existing TB.-
If you are stock and want the TB Upgrade,you pay around $950
I hope i explain myself
__________________ 1982 Pontiac Firebird S/E,1989 CustomFormulaTaillights,1988Wraparound Wing, 1988 Formula Wheels 16 x 8 ,2.8 V6 173 Slow one TH200C,PMD Seats
I really wanted the BBK due to being able to use the stock fuel lines and rails. I highly doubt I still won't be finished with my Head/Cam swap by May. HSR it is I guess.
I got my HSR in. Install was easy. Running the fuel lines was a breeze and not nearly as hard as I thought it would be. I'm 100% happy with it.
Ok I realize I'm kinda new but I have been doin a lot of readin and am in need of a new intake. This design looks to be a lot like the Lingenfelter design which what I hear from many ppl and engine builders is "THE" design to have if you do or plan on doin extensive engine mods because of the runner design. But on a stock engine this setup in my opinion simply "moves" the power to higher RPM(I know there is more to it than that but its the simpest way I see it). Dont get me wrong I realize that my car as possible every1 elses kinda dies out after 3500-4000 RPM which this intake will fix. What I did see in the dyno graph is the power(hp&tq) is lower than stock at lower RPM this is a concern to me if the car is totally stock will this low end power be an issue??
You lose only 16lbs of peak torque but you gain 700rpms with 50lbs. This is good, not bad. And you gain 9 peak horsepower and then 50hp after the curve. This is also good. In terms of 1/4 performance you should drop (bone stock otherwise) 2-3 tenths and gain 2-3mph.
Now, that is on a stock motor. The benefits will come when you start adding much better flowing heads, exhaust, and a cam. Imagine a cam and headed TPi car. Then you throw on the BBK TPi. Those 600rpms of 50hp/50tq gains, will be more like 100+ for 1000-1500 rpms. Does that make sense? TPI is a great torque producing system. That is it.
__________________ 1989 Red GTA: 350TPI / auto / 3.27
[quote=1989GTATransAm;3077021]If the Stealthram was 50 state legal I think most everyone would own one.
That statement, by the noted stater, made my decision clear.
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If it performs as preliminary tests indicate, AND is CARB approved, AND holds the price stated, they will sell (at least 1, to me).
Bill
P.S.: Happy 4th of July! G B A!
The above post was made 7/4/07.......in December of '08, I made the switch. Now, if the BBK intake ever materializes, will I install one? Probably not.....
ok so if I am to build an engine I would plan on buildin an engine that is designed to make more hp than tq and let the intake make the tq, does that make any kinda sense??
ok so if I am to build an engine I would plan on buildin an engine that is designed to make more hp than tq and let the intake make the tq, does that make any kinda sense??
lol thats wat i thot cuz it didnt make much sense to me. I think wat I mean is the TPI intake helps a motor make lots of tq, correct so far? And if I build an engine can I have the engine built to produce more hp than tq and once the intake is put on the intake will make the tq up to par with the hp? This is assuming that every1 knows that a good engine builder knows what to do to the internals to make more hp or tq, and then when the intake is installed for testin the finall numbers can be determined
lol thats wat i thot cuz it didnt make much sense to me. I think wat I mean is the TPI intake helps a motor make lots of tq, correct so far? And if I build an engine can I have the engine built to produce more hp than tq and once the intake is put on the intake will make the tq up to par with the hp? This is assuming that every1 knows that a good engine builder knows what to do to the internals to make more hp or tq, and then when the intake is installed for testin the finall numbers can be determined
TPI makes alot of lower RPM torque yes. It does not support power at high rpms. Its the weakest link in the chain and holds back more then any other part.
When you build an engine you want all the parts and components to compliment each other. So they work well as a set.
My heads and cam are really too much for factory TPI intake--yes I make more power but not as much as I should. It's not optimal.
Far as building an engine to make more HP then TQ I think you can do that but it requires sky high RPMS. Not good in a street car. So just forget about that idea. Don't go asking anyone to do that for you--they might look at you funny.
Anyone feel free to jump in or correct me--I think I got it right...
ok so now I know wat ur sayin and wat my engine builder said was he plans on designing the engine to produce most of its hp around 5000 because he is aware that TPI restricts power at higher rpm. So my confusion is this engine he builds he asked me if i wanted more tq or hp "before" the TPI system gets installed. Personally I would like a setup where huge tq is made down low n to mid and huge hp made from mid to high, is this possible and what intake setup will work best??
hi firstroc,you are looking for the same thing i am.-
Something complete,excellent low rpm torque and pull to 6000 with lots of power.-
Whats your build ? What's your budget ? How much are you willing to spend ?
i posted a thread in Corvetteforum,read everything,there are LOTS of useful information there and might get you somewhere,contact me if you need more info !
I made a comment awhile back saying its too much money, after thinking about it.... its average price. intakes goes for around $400+ and runners $350 and the plenum off E-bay around $50. I see summit took it off their web site, but Jegs has it for $749. I'm thinking about getting it.
The tweaking is done, just a matter of getting it set up for machining and put into production. We have a waiting list of items tha are "next" the TPI intake is on the list.
The tweaking is done, just a matter of getting it set up for machining and put into production. We have a waiting list of items tha are "next" the TPI intake is on the list.
I think it's been brought up a couple times in this thread, but is $399 still the target price?
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Not sure on that one. The hard price would have to be determined after all of the parts in the package are tallied up, but as with all of BBK's products, it will definitely be very competitively priced.
Well I just wanted to post up and say that as a TPI Third Gen owner I was thrilled when the BBK intake first surfaced. But after YEARS of waiting....well I just bought a miniram. Your loss BBK.
The tweaking is done, just a matter of getting it set up for machining and put into production. We have a waiting list of items tha are "next" the TPI intake is on the list.
Ok, how about updating your website "Currently under development.
Estimated Release Date: Early 2009" Early 2009 has come and gone. It's November 2009 if you have not checked a calendar lately.
If you do not have an estimated release date just put "under development, release date unknown at this time" and pull the ad's for it out of the magazines.
It's the mis-information directly from your own company that ticks everyone off.
Don't let the people who post their "predictions" about the release or status of this project get you down.
The only real source of actual information is me.
If I don't post information about it, don't beleive it.
"get us down" Nobody is up for this POS intake.
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I'm not sure if they have set the price yet.
Seems like somewhere, somehow, $399.00 was mentioned, guesstimated, or assumed (judging by the title of this thread).
From your web site
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It won't take much for us to make that happen since we design and machine everything in house and there is plenty of room to make adjustments in the castings (which can also be easily changed).
Yes how many years
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I used to be a chauffuer in L.A. before I went full time with BBK.
Bryan
Great, Limo driver doing the R & D now we know the problem.
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In the 5 years that I drove people around to all sorts of events, functions, trips, etc.... I got a chance to drive some celebrities.
One of those celebrities was Michael Jackson (NOT KIDDING).
Bryan
I hope he was not on the waiting list for this intake.
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by all means know where you are going ahead of time and how to get there.
Do you know where you are going with this intake, I dont think so.
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The one and only TPI intake proto (the one in this thread) is in our pattern shop here in So. Cal. and has been there for a few months now.
News flash......Update a few years now.
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It should be out closer to the end of summer this year.
Quiz.....what year did you say this.
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It should be available at the end of the year.
Please name that year.
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Should we stop working on the TPI intake stuff and get working on some shorties right away?
Sure, go for it whats a few more years.
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We can't have employees dedicated to one project only or else they would be standing around with nothing to do for months on end.
Wow 60 months of pay and still no product. You guys must be union.
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It takes a long time to get something like this out the door.
Maybe for a limo driver.
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The only real source of actual information is me.
Are you sure about this.
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If I don't post information about it, don't beleive it.
No problem i will beleive it, when i see it.
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The tweaking is done.
So you are telling me you're not tweaking any more.
Wow that is the funniest thing Ive ever read,,,, but its also sad that there has been so many lies. I can personally say I wont support BBK products due to their BS way of dealing with this intake. If I treated customers like this I would be out of buisness.
I would give them another shot but I also tried to order one from summit a while back and it was a mess to deal with because they weren't stocked yet. I guess I fail to see why BBK is taking so long to get this done. As the days go on, more third gens are hitting junkyards or getting destroyed in some shape or form. They want to make money on this intake but by the time it comes out, everyone will have gotten something else like the stealth ram or mini ram. I say forget the R&D to make it 50 state legal and get this damn thing moving already. I plan on doing my engine next summer and it looks like I will being using the stealth ram instead of this intake on my 383.
I would give them another shot but I also tried to order one from summit a while back and it was a mess to deal with because they weren't stocked yet. I guess I fail to see why BBK is taking so long to get this done. As the days go on, more third gens are hitting junkyards or getting destroyed in some shape or form. They want to make money on this intake but by the time it comes out, everyone will have gotten something else like the stealth ram or mini ram. I say forget the R&D to make it 50 state legal and get this damn thing moving already. I plan on doing my engine next summer and it looks like I will being using the stealth ram instead of this intake on my 383.
Yes, i may be going with the stealth ram also if this
doesn't come out soon
i would like to check this out. from reading everything i bet this intake will go for at a grand. Supply and demand. also when i go about swap in a 350 im either going to mod the existing plenum (cheaper) or get this one and mod it.
Ok, the thing about this though, yes it is about supply and demand, but our tpi cars have been on the road more than twenty years, ok, so after waiting this long to mod and how long to wait for this "turtle ram" to come out, what is the demand looking like? I know for a fact that they will not sell many unit if it is anywhere close to a grand. The stealth ram and bigmouth/large runners are both cheaper alternatives. The LT1 intake is also cheaper. The mini ram would be more popular but it is very high price, that's what's keeping it down. Hopefully BBK will notice this and notice that for as long as they have been taking, most of us have moved on to other things.
Don't get me wrong, when I first heard about this intake coming out, I was excited and wanted to know who was the first to have it in stock regardless of price! Now, I think I will go elsewhere, and instead of waiting for them to develop three of these, I'll buy three stealth rams or three LT1's. The TPI crowd was put on the back burner which wasn't smart because alot of hot rodders use the TPI system in their cars, not just us F body guys. They could've made bank on this but they take to long and there is always the "little bit more time" run around. Whatever the price was, they just lost it......times 3! (my two brothers and I our building our bird right now)
I was very interested when it was announced.
Now, 5 years and countless excuses later, I don't think it will ever see the light of day. What kind of R&D work do you have to do for 24 year old technology? This could've been something that BBK would have made alot of money on.
At this point, I doubt they could ever recoup their investment costs, cause people are moving on......the LSx engines are the hot ticket now.
BBK, you dropped the ball in an EPIC way.
__________________ 1993 Chevy Z/71 with Vortec 350, ZZ4 cam,TBI mods. Switching to TPI next year I hope
1999 Monte Carlo Z/34
1989 Trans Am GTA, 350, Trick Flow Super 23 Degree heads, LT4 HOT cam kit, Holley StealthRam, BBK 58mm TB, RamAir hood with cold air induction
There is still a chance for them to make money on it if they can bring it out soon. Here's the issue. They need to bring it out with a small group purchase discount so someone will try it and post their findings, then they will have more people buy it if everything works out well. I think the problem now is, they are working too much on LSX stuff that they forgot about the TPI crowd. That sucks because they wasted their time and their money for nothing at that point. I will have two engines done for the summer and my 406 will be done in the fall of next year. I will buy the intakes before I finish the engines so hopefully they can put their rear in gear and get this thing done already.
If they don't plan on getting it on the market soon, they should take it off their website. It makes them look bad because they don't update their site, it looks like a slow non-caring company.
That link is the one for what we are talking about. Someone on here named it the turtle ram but I forgot who started that. The intake somewhat reminds me of the intake in my dads malibu with the 3100. I honestly would like to see what this intake would be capable of, but I will lose interest when it comes out in another 5 years.
From the looks of some of the SEMA pics I was scouring thru they are busy with product for the new Camaro's. I don't see this thing actually coming to retail!
14psi, street tune 
That statement, by the noted stater, made my decision clear.
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