dcs89formula

I had a feeling posting that link would stir it up! It's kind of funny how it came about. I traded a buddy of mine a 91 Mustang LX 5.0 for my current 89 Formula 350. He happened to be on BBK's page looking at the new 5.0 intake and saw the projected TPI intake and called me. I too am excited as I haven't been able to decide which intake setup to go with! You see, it took a mustang guy to come up with the good info.

mystikkal_69

LOL. the irony.....

grndprixss

i wanna see, whats up i need pics or more info ugggg ahhhhhh im so confused in my decision in what to get i love the runner look of the stock tpi but i want something better but i want the stock look is the bbk gonna look stock????

Ray87Z

I don't care if it looks like a baboon's ***, I just want a great performing TPI replacement setup that is affordable, some competition for the HSR... Of course they need to offer it for Vortec heads before too long too.

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formula91

Will a baboon's *** fit under the stock hood?

Ha!!!!

I can't believe its day 3 of the SEMA show and nobody has pics yet!

BLOWN85/TA

I'll be having the raped ape under hood here please.

89 Iroc Z

My brother was able to talk to the Vice President of BBK, Ken Murphey, at the SEMA show today about the new intake that will be released by his company. He is a really nice guy and has some great ideas and great products. He seems excited about this new intake and it should be a killer setup for our cars. In this post I will list all the information we were able to obtain about the intake. It is important to note that this intake is still in the development stage and all this information is subject to change.

As stated above this intake is still in the prototype stage and only the intake base is complete. They did not have the prototype at SEMA so sorry no pictures available yet. Below are the questions from my previous post and their answers, I have also added and taken away a few questions. It is important to note that the answers are not the exact answers or wording we got from the guys at BBK, I have put them into my own words:

Q) What is the price range of this new intake setup?
A) The price is targeted around $600.

Q) When is this intake scheduled to be released?
A) They should have it out for summer 2005 sales.

Q) Will the stock throttle bodywork with this new intake?
A) Yes

Q) Will there be a vortec head version available?
A) As of the first release probably no, but it very possible there will be in the future.

Q) Will this intake be 50 state legal?
A) They are working on CARB legality but are running into problems with the cars that came stock with a 9’th injector. I am not exactly sure what problems are so I can’t say any more.

Q) What is the height of the manifold, for people who want to fit it under stock hood and strut tower braces?
A) This intake is going to be slightly taller then stock TPI but will still fit under a stock thirdgen and corvette hood.

Q) What comes with the manifold?
A) This intake will come with a setup for both camaro and corvette EGR, the bolts for the intake, and all gaskets minus the intake manifold gaskets.

Q) Will stock fuel rails work with this intake?
A) Yes, the stock fuel rail will work with this intake.

Q) What RPM range is this intake designed to make peak power?
A) This intake is designed for mid to upper RPM’s. It is not going to be a high RPM screamer like the Mini-ram and will not die up top like TPI so it will be in-between.

Q) How does the low-end power of this intake compare to TPI?
A) It is too early in the development to answer that exactly but it should still have low end grunt.

Q) What is the length of the intake runners?
A) It is too early to know.

Q) How many piece intake is this (for example TPI is 3 piece; a base, runners and plenum)?
A) The top end of this intake is not fully complete yet but as planed as of now it will be 10 pieces. A base, 8 individual runners, and a plenum.

They had a question for us. They want to know what color to powder coat the manifold. For example if you look at the mustang manifold it is flat black. I think it would look good silver, black, or no powder coat at all. I gave them the information about this site so hopefully they will come to this site and let us get involved in the design process.

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Engine: 350 ZZ4 Equivalent (ZZ4 Heads, cam, pistons, and rods) / Comp Cams 1.52 pro magnum RR / Accel TPI Baseplate / TPIS Large Tube Runners / Ported & Polished Plenum / Airfoil / WALBRO 255L/Hr fuel pump w\wire kit / Ford #24 SVO injectors / Holley AFPR / MSD Coil / Converted to 730 Speed Density ECM / DIY chip / Edelbrock Headers / Catco High Flow Cat / Hooker Cat-Back
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1989GTATransAm

Eight individual runners is interesting. Thanks for posting the information. We are all waiting for the developements and pictures. Sure sounds interesting. Allen

Almost forgot. I vote for the silver color.

BLOWN85/TA

Stock fuel rails and EGR plus 10 pieces. Ok this reminds me of a TPI whipple thing I saw in the late 90's. Pipe for runners, short length then 1 piece plenum where the Whipple went.

Well Maybe I'll keep that extra set of fuel lines around till we see pics.

ator

That price is higher than listed on BBK's website and would not be as "Sought after" at that price.

From their website: This clean sheet design manifold will fit the popular 305/350 TPI Camaro,Firebird and Corvette models and is to be priced at a very affordable $399.99 making it the best performance value around.

BLOWN85/TA

How about Black AND Silver?

r3pp3r

I vote for black, for obvious reasons Maybe we could get a GP going on this thing if all works out?

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cali92RS

Thats a color scheme i can get behind

ChevelleFan

That's some good info, thanks for posting.

Unfortunately, (for BBK) this will pretty much end my interest. 10 pieces?? $600? No vortec version initially?

I applaud their effort for trying to put out a a decent TPI replacement, especially one that makes use of stock pieces like the fuel rails and throttle body, but it falls short, in my eyes. 10 pieces????

Too bad someone can't just copy the LT1 intake, except to add a thermostat housing and the necessary coolant passages. It's 1 piece and has solid performance. All that plumbing is just 'too busy' looking for me to get a converted LT1 intake.

I guess I can feel pretty comfortable ordering a Stealth Ram in the near future.

-Dave

TheGreatJ

Powdercoat the recesses and cast areas black, leave the highlights (i.e. "BBK" logo) and machined surfaces natural aluminum (silver) and it'll look great.


If it has individual runners and takes the stock rails, it has to be somewhat similar in design to the stock TPI. I'm thinking maybe a split plenum, like the SuperRam but with the box chopped in thirds and the center third eliminated, and the fronts of the two sides tapered together to meet the TB flange. How sweet would THAT be?

r3pp3r

I doubt the runners will go across the intake base like TPI.

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Orr89RocZ

vote to leave it plane natural as cast finish so we have option to powder coat it ourselves the color of our choice. Natural aluminum finish looks good enough as is. If it comes powdercoated, does that mean we cant re coat it a different color? Not to familar with power coating but i can imagine you can.

Anyway, if its inbetween tpi and miniram, thats superram territory. At 600 bucks, thats a steal for super ram performance that costs 1200 or so new and 750-800 used.

Dont forget that alot of people have problems installing the superram and i wonder if a 10 piece intake will be difficult to install. Also clearance issues around the base with the bolts.

89 Iroc Z

I strongly disagree. The LT1 isn’t that great of a performer, the stealth ram is much better in my mind.

As for the people that say $600 is too high it’s a steal for what else is out there:
Miniram: 1 grand+
Superram: around $800
Stealth ram: $475-515 depending on adjustable regulator or not

Also the upper intake is not made yet. So it may turn out to be a one piece upper we will just have to wait and see.

r3pp3r

Neither superram nor miniram perform optimally in the 5-6k rev range. I'm hoping that this new intake fills that hole.

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89 Iroc Z

Exactly!! Thats what I am looking for. Like the T-ram did back in the day.

Orr89RocZ

what do you mean? super ram motors peak in the 5-6 range. making great power mostly at 5500rpm. Alittle porting and you got 6000rpms tops

Hows that not optimal? just asking. LOL

Miniram is way above that at over 6-7grand rpm as optimal.

r3pp3r

My car seems to already be over the hill in the mid to high 5 range. Maybe with a good tune it will be better. I just don't think superram can breathe enough for LT4 hotcam. I didn't put this engine together, so I'm working with what I've got. That said I hope this new intake is between superram and miniram, or at least can do better at the high end without sacraficing superram's low end.

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cali92RS

People are running bigger cams than the hotcam with a superram. It isnt that wild of a cam.

r3pp3r

From what I've seen, hotcam wants to peak out around 5750, and superram around 5 grand. Let's not stray too far off topic tho

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89 Iroc Z

Super ram is a nice intake but it dies really fast after 5200-5500. If BBK makes a intake that has about the same down low as the super ram but holds to around 6000 it would be a perfect intake for what most people are looking for.

Orr89RocZ

i agree with 2000-6000rpm band. that is a great power band but super rams already do that. At least all the ones i see hold power well to 5800rpm or so with just alittle porting. good cam and heads help that out too.

Abubaca

Wow. 8 runners??? I can't figure out why they'd do that. That's not to say it's bad, I just can't see how. ALL other intakes with runnes at least have 2 adjacent runners together.

hehe...follow the logic, and allow me to hypothesize!!!

We know it uses a seperate base, and STOCK fuel rails, and external runners.

That means, due to runners, LT1 and HSR styles are out.

The base has to accomodate the stock fuel rails, so the runners either need to wrap around to the outside like TPI or LPE-SR, or go up through the middle.

If they go outside, it either has be a long tube set-up, which first is re-inventing the wheel, AND kills upper RPM's. The Super ram style pizza box provide the same RPM range as BBK suggests, but again, re-inventing the wheel, and then there's the thing about the 8 runners. WHY 8 runners?

That leaves going up the middle. The HSR uses runners up the middle, but they're cast as part of