86IROCTHD

its going into a 355 with 10-10.5 compression.... and i am not really worried about tuning.. will have a prom burner when its all said and done

Red Devil

Abubaca, that looks surprisingly familiar. I had a few posted up quite a few years ago, something very similar to that and another closer to a traditional tunnel ram design. Most agreed the traditional tunnel ram design would probably work better, though I never got around to actually building either. What else is new.

Now where did I miss the $200 jump? Their site still lists for $400 and I'm still waiting on pics here.

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r3pp3r

The problem with miniram and LT1 isn't the die-off point, it's the torque you give up in the street-use range. I think either of those intakes would be good for 6500, if your bottom end and valvetrain can take it.

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rocluvr0013

Argh... im drooling with anticipation... there arent even pics of the prototype or maybe even in the least the base manifold...?

warrgame

Talked to BBK guy at sema, they did not have an intake with them... They said to expect something between Jan. and Spring time... No pics or design diagrams tho...

Steven89Iroc

It's not coming out when they originally said, it's going to cost more (possibly), and from the sounds of it, it's going to be in Superram territory for revs.
I think I might end up getting an HSR soon afterall, unless some information changes soon. It may not end up like that, but I don't know if I want to wait until spring to find out. :shrug:

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Abubaca

This isn't Burger King, you don't get it your way.

Seriously guys, come on. If I were BBK, I'd be a little irratated with you guys. It's gotta be this price, it's gotta be this color, it's gotta have this RPM range, and we want pictures NOW!

"most" people want a mid range RPM intake. Those who want all the top end already have multiple choices.

"most" people would JUMP at a $600 manifold/kit.

"most" people can wait 'til it's ready.


Give 'em a break.

Steven89Iroc

LOL, I know, just stating that I don't think I'm gonna wait to find out, though I may have to anyway depending on what comes up.

I think most people (myself included) are disappointed in the fact that they stated that it would cost $399 and be ready at the beginning of the year, then the price went up and the release date got potentially pushed back, it makes it seem worse than it would have been otherwise I think.

I'm not too worried about it. :shrug:

RSFreak

Something similar to an LT5 would be sweet (this one happens to reside in a 3rdgen Camaro BTW!) The fuel rails could go under the runners, right?

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John Millican

I agree that they are starting off on the wrong foot saying it will be this price, available this date and you can go see an example at SEMA next week. It's a classic example of the companies marketing division being ahead of actual design and production. Happens all the time.

I believe they should have kept tight on info untill is was ready. This keeps rumors down and people won't have to wait a year before they can touch it.

I convert LT1 intakes and am working on something else but I of course won't say a word untill it's tested and ready to market.

TA

Well, I hate to say I told you so, but the development is still in it's early stages. I have worked for several companies that operate like this. Engineers are slow and ponderous by nature. The marketing department uses this tactic to put pressure on the engineering people to put "hot" products on the fast track. Also, as it is still not developed, the attention and questions to BBK will filter through and either dramatically complicate or help focus the development on key things.

As there is no finished engineering prototype yet, I am highly skeptical that this product will see the light of day in the first half of 2005. This is not the only and not the most business significant product that they have in development, and anyone familar with product development and foundry pattern making will understand the time it will take to get this into production. If you've ever heard the old saw "it's too good to be true"? Well, the website blurb is exactly that. Bummer.

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Tony89GTA

Is this something else a new intake design maybe? If so can you at least tell us what RPM range your shooting for?

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DuronClocker

I think I know what he's working on if its what he and I discussed quite a while ago, but I'm keeping my mouth shut

John Millican

The moment I say something it'll turn into a 3 page BBK style thread. All they said was $399 and TPI replacement and look what happened. They don't even have a product yet.

Tony89GTA

Ya but that's what happens when you B.S. people which I'am pretty sure you don't do so what do you have cooking there

Just two simple questions, is it a intake design and what RPM band on a 5.7L?

Abubaca

I don't think BBK was BSing. It's just business. It happens.

They know we pay attention, there's no way they would've done it on purpose.

....and I agree with John. After reading this thead, there's no way I'd post anything "early".

JP86SS

Hey...
I resemble that remark! LOL
So true...
And yes, they should just keep it under wraps until they know what it is.
Management should be shot, they'll need the Engineers if we will ever have a chance at actually getting a product.
Jp

DON 88T/A

Companys do these things to generate hype which could keep potential customers from going elsewhere...it may not be ready till next year sometime,but if no one knows about it they may make up there mind and purshase another competitors setup before BBK's is even announced ..now people have some tidbits on a new TPI setup..and may hold-off on a setup they were previously commited too...thats smart buisness really.

rocluvr0013

Thats how business works, because if no one gets excited about there product b4 its out then theyr not going to continue to dump money into a lost cause in developement which i agree sucks but it makes sense

RevItUpZ28

I've def. got to keep an eye out for this thing....sounds like what I need for my current setup. A $600 price tag isn't so bad either.

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John Millican

A year in advance is too long. Sure a few months to get people exicted is fine, I would do the same. After waiting a year people will forget about it.

Oh and as far as $600 being a good price, it WAS advertised for $399 remember? By the time a production castings released don't be surprised if they raise it another couple hundred to $799.

Orr89RocZ

very true, and i am concerned about this. I hope it dont go any higher than it is now but i dont see how they can say they will have a TPI intake for 400 and then come out saying, well its gonna be more expensive than we thought. Thats suppose to be under product development where once they get a prototype, and have a set price idea, thats the price they advertise. Dont understand what happened.

Roads88

Were did the $600.00 price tag come from? Web page still shows $399.00.

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Some info from the SEMA Show!!
My brother was able to talk to the Vice President of BBK, Ken Murphey, at the SEMA show today about the new intake that will be released by his company. He is a really nice guy and has some great ideas and great products. He seems excited about this new intake and it should be a killer setup for our cars. In this post I will list all the information we were able to obtain about the intake. It is important to note that this intake is still in the development stage and all this information is subject to change.

As stated above this intake is still in the prototype stage and only the intake base is complete. They did not have the prototype at SEMA so sorry no pictures available yet. Below are the questions from my previous post and their answers, I have also added and taken away a few questions. It is important to note that the answers are not the exact answers or wording we got from the guys at BBK, I have put them into my own words:

Q) What is the price range of this new intake setup?
A) The price is targeted around $600.

Q) When is this intake scheduled to be released?
A) They should have it out for summer 2005 sales.

Q) Will the stock throttle bodywork with this new intake?
A) Yes

Q) Will there be a vortec head version available?
A) As of the first release probably no, but it very possible there will be in the future.

Q) Will this intake be 50 state legal?
A) They are working on CARB legality but are running into problems with the cars that came stock with a 9’th injector. I am not exactly sure what problems are so I can’t say any more.

Q) What is the height of the manifold, for people who want to fit it under stock hood and strut tower braces?
A) This intake is going to be slightly taller then stock TPI but will still fit under a stock thirdgen and corvette hood.

Q) What comes with the manifold?
A) This intake will come with a setup for both camaro and corvette EGR, the bolts for the intake, and all gaskets minus the intake manifold gaskets.

Q) Will stock fuel rails work with this intake?
A) Yes, the stock fuel rail will work with this intake.

Q) What RPM range is this intake designed to make peak power?
A) This intake is designed for mid to upper RPM’s. It is not going to be a high RPM screamer like the Mini-ram and will not die up top like TPI so it will be in-between.

Q) How does the low-end power of this intake compare to TPI?
A) It is too early in the development to answer that exactly but it should still have low end grunt.

Q) What is the length of the intake runners?
A) It is too early to know.

Q) How many piece intake is this (for example TPI is 3 piece; a base, runners and plenum)?
A) The top end of this intake is not fully complete yet but as planed as of now it will be 10 pieces. A base, 8 individual runners, and a plenum.

They had a question for us. They want to know what color to powder coat the manifold. For example if you look at the mustang manifold it is flat black. I think it would look good silver, black, or no powder coat at all. I gave them the information about this site so hopefully they will come to this site and let us get involved in the design process.


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You need to look through the whole thread. What 1990GTA posted is a copy and paste from earlier in this thread.

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