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Old 05-16-2008, 10:52 AM   #801
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Got it, email sent. Thanks!

Ok I thought you were saying the 4x crank got the coil packs. UGH. Will have to see what this program says when it comes in.

I found that info on MSD's site, but it said they used a different plug on them. Dunno what went to what or how its wired. All I have visual access to is a 01/02? silvy with a 5.3. I know they dont look like the LS1's I see on summits site.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:06 AM   #802
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ok, here is a LS1 Coil, then Silvy 5.3 coil. then LS2 coil


Ok, from quick searching.
LS1/LS6 Coil "A", use plug "A"
LS2/LS7 Coil "C", use plug "B"
Vortec 5.3 in the silvy Coil "B", use plug "B,
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Old 05-16-2008, 12:19 PM   #803
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Ok I thought you were saying the 4x crank got the coil packs. UGH. Will have to see what this program says when it comes in.
Maybe I accidently posted something misleading. Can you let me know the post number and I'll clarify.

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I found that info on MSD's site, but it said they used a different plug on them. Dunno what went to what or how its wired. All I have visual access to is a 01/02? silvy with a 5.3. I know they dont look like the LS1's I see on summits site.
The Camaro/Firebird/Corvette coils use a metripack 150 connector and the truck coils use a GT150 connector. However, the coil harness is interchangeable with most (if not all) Gen 3 and Gen 4 engine harnesses.
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Old 05-17-2008, 08:48 PM   #804
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I built the engine harness for the test engine today and loaded a modified 2002 Corvette LS1/T56 calibration into a 12200411 PCM. I'm using a used throttle actuator control module (TAC) and Corvette accelerator pedal. Going to use EFILive for the calibration work.

When this goes into the 1991 Trans Am I may use the E40 ECM (2005 Corvette LS2). It is smaller than the LS1/LS6 PCM and has electronic throttle built in. The only trick will be adapting the newer two wire knock sensors to the block.

The spark plug wires pictured are for a gen 3 truck application. They're a little too tight, so I'm going to have to find an alternative. For now they'll work.


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Old 05-20-2008, 12:58 PM   #805
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We had just enough time today to crank the engine. It tried to run, so we adjusted the crank reluctor. Then it didn't want to run at all. Then we ran out of time. We'll probably make more progress on this toward the end of the week. We'll get it.

Here it is on the test stand, ready to run.


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Old 05-23-2008, 07:10 PM   #806
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It runs! Here is a video. Notice it starts immediately after turning the key and the throttle response is right on when the electronic pedal is moved.

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Old 05-23-2008, 08:52 PM   #807
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thats awesome! Sounds pretty responsive too!
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:49 PM   #808
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That is awesome and quite the accomplishment. Congratulations to all those involved.
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:31 PM   #809
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Because the focus of this thread has been on the distributor-based calibration of the 12200411 PCM, I have created a thread in the DFI and ECM forum for distributor-less discussion. That way we can keep this topic focused on it's original topic.
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:57 AM   #810
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Hmm. I know what my next mod will be. Hmm. I need that whole setup in my boat lol
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:41 AM   #811
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I need that whole setup in my boat lol
Let's do it! I have another Ram Jet 350.
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:08 AM   #812
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Give me a few months. I gotta pay off my wedding which is next month lol
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Old 06-24-2008, 05:56 PM   #813
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Does anyone know about how many people have used this setup so far on any kind of vehicle?
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Thats why I was kinda making that list a while ago. But it doesnt cover the ones wildside has done on his own.

Id say its still less then 50. And when I tell people what I have done they are
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:13 AM   #815
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Thats why I was kinda making that list a while ago. But it doesnt cover the ones wildside has done on his own.

Id say its still less then 50. And when I tell people what I have done they are
I'd guess about 25 or so.
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:46 PM   #816
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Well.. whats needed to use the COP on the lt1???? We all need only a crank reluctor ring. What does this ring need to have? i have access to a CNC machine from a customer of mine and he told me it was no problem building it. In fact. It was no problem building the complete timing cover...

If you can post a picture of the reluctor ring and the diameter and such I should be able to make one and test it out.

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I'd guess about 25 or so.
Cout me in for 2 of them !! lol. Still by far the best mod ever. lol Sad though that I have driven both cars about 100 miles each only this year. Just not into them anymore. I'm now buiding up an Vortec headed 350 for the boat. I'm confused with this carb stuff lol.
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I'd guess about 25 or so.
I have had 2 smallblocks running on the 0411 after doing OBDII conversions and am working on 2 more (ones a factory L31 in a 1997 G1500). The second is my 1983 G20 van with its TPI 310. I have a 1998 C2500 harness that I am re-pinning to run a 0411 and I will be using a 4L80E. 310 TPI, 4L80E, 3.08 gears.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:01 AM   #819
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Metal timing cover? I would love to see pics of that, and if price is decent, buy one from you.
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I'd be in the market for the reluctor ring and cover, also.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:23 PM   #821
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Just need to install the harness. So you can add me to the list.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:39 PM   #822
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Add me to the list of those still working on this mod. I have the vortec, TPI, engine 75% done, (need to finish the heads) then installed the 88 GTA, but some health issues raised their ugly head and I had to delay the project for a few months but am starting once again. I need to get the wire harness yet but I believe I have everything else. At 67, I'm probably the old guy here but I'm trying to get this into Redbird soon. I've really enjoyed the thread. Thanks to you all. Dave
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Add me to the list of those still working on this mod. I have the vortec, TPI, engine 75% done, (need to finish the heads) then installed the 88 GTA, but some health issues raised their ugly head and I had to delay the project for a few months but am starting once again. I need to get the wire harness yet but I believe I have everything else. At 67, I'm probably the old guy here but I'm trying to get this into Redbird soon. I've really enjoyed the thread. Thanks to you all. Dave
Right behind you at 61, and my 41 pickup/Ramjet/0411 is not finished either. Real close though.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:04 AM   #824
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Does anyone know about how many people have used this setup so far on any kind of vehicle?
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Well you can count me in for doing this with a 305. It's been real slow going but I'll be finishing the short block this weekend. I pulled most of the vortec ignition components from a '97 Silverado. After removing the alignment dowls the vortec timing cover went on without a hitch. I plan on doing my own tuning as well as I picked up HPTuners not too long ago
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Could you post a complete parts list for the conversion?
I like that set up and need to do some parts shoping
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Could you post a complete parts list for the conversion?
I like that set up and need to do some parts shoping

that was my shopping list
http://www.rag-tops.com/index.php?op...&id=19&Itemid=
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THanks and now the draining of the bank acount begins
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If you come up with GM part numbers on some of them items that I dont have them listed. Could you send them to me please?

Also. Alot of this stuff you can get used if you dont mind used parts. Mine is about 50/50.
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