Chevy8588

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first yes, BWD and such were re branding GM's parts, BUT these guys are saying that GM rebranded them and sold them to them, thats BS, why would GM have rebranded parts to sell to these GM Exporters? and IF they were GM exporters, they would be selling GM NOS, meaning GM brand in GM boxes, what this sounds like to me, is this is someone who heard that GM discontinued the parts and went around and bought up the remaining stock and is now turning them over for a profit. also his story changes too, first he said theya re GM Exporters, THEN he started talking about their GM export Division, so what division is he? they are NOT affiliated with GM. I would question the legitimacy of his claims.

87IROC-DAN61

I sent an e-mail off to go.Delphi.com and asked if there was a way to make obsolete parts for a specific demand, namely the EGR Temp Sensor their part # TS10113. Hopefully he can come back with a positive reply, and then maybe we won't have our TPI 305/350 F-body Camaros, and Firebirds obsoleted via the lack of a $15.99 part!!

I wonder if places like Classicindustries, Ecklers, Yearone, and Paddockparts to name a few, would pick up a small batch of these made by Delphi, if the price was right!!! I ball parked a figure of approx 75,000 cars on the road that had a requirement for these, and this was just using some LB9 engine numbers from the Camaro White Book!! The figure could be higher!!

The worse that could happen is that they say no, and I won't know that, if I don't ask!!

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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It seems that this has became a major headache for us all. The TPI Camaro's would not go obsolete for this EGR Temp Sensor. All that we would have to do is get the EGR junk deleted from the PROM, then we would have to remove the EGR and install a block off plate. The problem is, how much would the DYNO shop charge to re-program the chip? This is what I heard from another source but I forgot where I heard it from.

55mikey55

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my .


for 86-89 tpi, MAF
ecm 1227165
i have all the schematics here in from of me for the ECM. it may not help, but it's worth a shot. **label all of these before unplugging them**
1. unplug ECM terminal A4.
2. cut B10 and ground it
3. unplug c15



try that. i know nobody wants to cut wires, so instead of cutting it, you could just make a ground wire, ground it and get a wire splice connector, like ($2.99 for 5) and clip it to the b10 terminal. that's what i did, but i live in SC and we don't have to have any emissions crap on our motors...



edit:
then, go to a machine shop and have them make a block off plate, so now EGR is completely gone





..all this stuff is in the f-bodies swap manual..

87IROC-DAN61

Hello Chevy86 IROC-Z!!!

I'm afraid in the true sense of the word "obsolete" our TPI Camaro's are already there, maybe I chose the wrong word to convey my meaning. I do believe the point that remains is, that in order to be emissions compliant in places that emissions testing is required, and in order to pass a visual emissions equipment test, we need this part!!! Deleting the egr system is not an option if you must pass these tests, correct me if I am wrong!!

y84pauloflondon

WOW, this is great! Thank you for anwsering my post. But if I was too splice onto the B10 terminal and ground it, would I leave the B10 wire connected to the ECM, or remove it from the ECM and then splice it and have it grounded???

Chevy8588

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by grounding the EGR terminal while there is no call for the you wil set a code instantly. the EGR check wire needs to be grounded after the ECM send signal to the EGR Solenoid to open the valve and opened when the EGR solenoid is shut off. I posted earlier in the tread my idea on how to get around using the EGR temp switch. Simply use a Vacuum operated Switch T'd into the vacuum line between the EGR Valve and solenoid, wire the EGR temp sensor to one terminal and then the other to ground, so when the solenoid sends vacuum to the valve to open it, vacuum is also diverted to the vacuum switch, which grounds the EGR temp switch wire sending the ECM a signal telling it the EGR is open and working.

transam85dudeman

i think the ecm chip is programmed to 199mph, so the egr isnt needed ecm wise in the swap too, peace

55mikey55

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straight out of the book-

A4 gray circuit#435 EGR solenoid
connected to EGR solenoid terminal "B". this circuit allows the ECM to switch this solenoid by supplying a ground through this terminal. when the solenoid is turned on, it closes off the EGR's exhaust passage not letting ths used air back into the engine. ...this circuit can be deleted if the park/neutral switch connector (B10) is connected to a common ground wire wire circuit connected to ecm terminals (a12, d1, d3, d6, and d10). when terminal b10 is grounded, it defeats the EGR's self diagnostics and will not let the ecm know that it has been removed, leaving no negative effects.

once again this is part of a page directly out of the f-bodies tpi swap manual

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Where I live, down in the Imperial Valley, Southern California, I didnt have to do a smog inspection. Even after not paying a non operational fee for 7 years, I still did not require a smog check. Now if I move to a larger city or state, then Ill be screwed as I would probably need a smog check to meet the quality air standards that the local government requires.

87IROC-DAN61

Hello Chevy86 IROC-Z!!

I missed the cut off boundary for British Columbia's "Air Care" (smog testing) by 2 km's (approx 1.8 miles)!!! I guess I'll just have to move!!!
They keep saying they are going to get rid of this "cash cow", but it hasn't happened yet!!!!

Sucks to be me!!!

87IROC-DAN61

Hello 55mikey55!!

If, and when I need to get this drastic due to the parts being discontinued, Chevy8588's way, is the way to go!! No cutting of wires, by what I can see, and it's all still operational, and functioning as per factory set up!!! The "law" can't screw you, if it's done this way!!!!

Chevy8588!!

y84pauloflondon

Well they both seem like 2 really good ideas! For those who are still being E tested, Checy8588 idea probably works best!

And for those who don't get tested any more or give a crap, 55mikey55 idea is coming striaght out of a TPI swap manual.

Honestly, I don't know enough about the EGR system to pick one over the other! But most likely, I'll keep my EGR on and running. Just nice to have 2 back up plans.

y84pauloflondon

Update on my EGR temp Thingy "Your item is being processed by customs in CANADA"- jan 11, 2010.

Should be here soon!

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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I was't even aware that Canada has strict smog standards.

transam85dudeman

yeah i think Canada has small amount of people 1 person to for every 10 amaericans compared to the US. They tax like crazy, there, free health care?, yeah right, if you want to pay 16% of everydollar. I bet they couldnt help skip the smog tax, their roads are jacked up from the weather. just as bad as Calfornia, i think the tax was 7.5% here in 2001

y84pauloflondon

13% Thank You Very Much!!!

All we all play Hockey! lol.

DAREDEVIL 1

Will this also work on TBI engines ???????

87IROC-DAN61

Hello Chevy86 IROC-Z!!!

I don't think that it's a matter of being a strict standard as it is of just grabbing for every dollar for a cause........if they wanted to be real strict about it, you would think that they would have tested "everybody" (about 4.4 million * or so) in the province, instead of just the 2.3 million * or so in the lower mainland!!! * figures are for population, not drivers, but you should get the idea!!

Rant on!!

Once the "Going Green Idea" catches on, it's like a wildfire, everyone thinks it's good, so let's do it!! As far as I know, my car was built to a standard set in 1987, and as long as it meets that standard I'm good, however, they (the government) like to lower the amounts that my car is allowed to make, and then tell me that I have all these repairs to do.......bunch of cash grabbing liars!!! Someone who lives three miles from me can have a car just belching blue, white, or black smoke, and nothing is done about it, they don't have to do the smog check, I on the other hand get ragged on, because my car is making x number of PPM of NOx which is still below the cut off line, but is close, and yet has no visible signs of smoke of any colour!!! I hate "Going Green Ideas"!!!

Rant off!!

87IROC-DAN61

Hello transam85dudeman!!

Yes, we are smaller in population, about a 10 to 1 ratio!! Health care is free, unless your able to pay taxes, then you pay, albeit not as much as you do, I bet!! Our roads are crappy because we have large temperature swings which contribute to the break up of the road surface!! The smog tax, in places that have it, only pads the Governments pocket, doesn't really help out with the enviroment, as all new cars are made to meet more stringent smog standards any ways!! 12% tax on almost everything that you buy here in BC, it's higher in other places in Canada!!

87IROC-DAN61

Hello 84pauloflondon!!

Friday or Monday, you should have your part!!

IROCmenace

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Preach it brother, preach it

87IROC-DAN61

Hello IROCmenace!!

I guess I was having a good time ranting!!!

Sometimes it really helps to clear the head of other nasty thoughts!!!

IROCmenace

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Hey Chevy8588, since you seem to know alot more than me let me ask if you think this would work. I read your ported vacuum idea and it is a good one, but in search of other options do you think there would be a way to splice a jumper from one of the EGR solenoid wires over to the EGR temp wire. It is all based on voltage and grounding right? So if the ECM turns the EGR solenoid on then that same signal is carried to the wire meant for the temp sensor letting the ECM know there is EGR flow. What do you think?

I have a new temp sensor and EGR solenoid from a truck but if for some odd reason if I need another temp sensor I was wondering if this would work.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Hey everyone. Check this out. If the GMC/Chevy dealership says that the EGR Temp sensor is discontinued (confirmed) and insist that the sensor is no longer available, then they are full of it. Here is and copy and paste straight from my personal e-mail from "Desert Auto Plaza" in El Centro, CA.. I emailed the parts department and they replied with,,,,,

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1986 CAMARO

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:23 AM


From:
"Mandi-Desert Parts" <parts@desert-autoplaza.com>
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To:
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Thank you for your inquiry on an EGR temp sensor

This part is discontinued, but I was able to find one for you. The part number you have is correct.

PT# 14087416 $32.96 it would take me 5-7 business days to get.

Please let me know if you would like to order this part I will be happy to do so for you.

Thank You
Mandi Adams
760-482-3286
parts@desert-autoplaza.com

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Hahahahaha. So the Dealer does have it's little ways of finding discontinued parts. Most are just lazy to look around.

y84pauloflondon

UNF***IN Believable!!! WTF......There are those of us who've tried so hard to find one and kept being told the samething over and over, Discontinued.

Well, good for you buddy! I can't believe your still trying the dealers!

Q. So where do you keep your horse shoe? LOL.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Well lets put it like this, last night, I raced a mustang, and his horse shoes kept spinning on the road so I got a good jump. Eventually I lost because I got a bad tranny, but I just got my W-2. I'ma get a Reman Tranny. As for the horse shoe, Negative. I dont support anything that has to do with a mustang, maby a Clydesdales only because they rep. Budwieser.

y84pauloflondon

Horse Shoe > as in a Good Luck Charm......because you found a discontinued part that WE(members) have been told by numerous dealers and part suppliers is no longer on the shelves!

burnout88

Did you order it? I am cursious if it will actually show up.

Chevy8588

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Hmmmm, I believe this could work so long as the ground supplied at the Solenoid is not constant

87IROC-DAN61

Hello Chevy86 IROC-Z!!!

Don't believe it, until you see it!! In this case seeing, is believing!! She probably has the same source as all the other dealers, and sees one or two at dealer warehouse stock, however the story changes once they try to pull the part to their dealership, all of a sudden they can't get it!!

Further back in this thread, there was a similar case, where there was stock at a dealer, however it turned out that there was no stock, and the dealer was wondering how come it showed up on the parts inventory!! They quickly removed it!! Check posts #90 to #94!!

If I was you, and for the price $32.96 which beats Autopartauctions.com's $50.00 I would make them produce it!!

Your probably going to need one eventually, and if you don't really want it, you can sell it, or just say forget it when it arrives!! Providing of course this actually pans out!!

Chevy8588

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Im still trying to find a source to make thse, only issue is I need one in my hand to bring to these suppliers, and im not ripping my engine apart to do it lol

y84pauloflondon

Hey there guys, I just picked up my EGR sensor from the Post Office today, but it actually arrived on Tuesday but since I wasn't home(working), it went to the Ps Off.

ANYWAYS, it came packaged in a small box marked "Ultra-Power Fuel Injection". Stamped on the sensor itself is Part#14087416 and #2952. From what I can tell.....looks to be the right part!

**One more thing! The reciept taped to the box has listed a SDR Value of $32.88.**

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Tough decision here. I need to buy a new fuel injector because I just noticed a hesitation when I suddenly open the throttle. Camaro goes pah, pah, pah, VROOOOOOMMMMMMM. So my friend put in a fuel pressure gauge and sure enough, the reading was 42 lbs. I can literaly see the gauge lower in pressure (about 1 lbs every 5 seconds). I know its not the FPR because I just installed a new one. So Im debating on whether I should take my chances and not buy the EGR Temp sensor and just get it later, or buy a new fuel injector.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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I dont know if its good luck because when this thread started months ago, I had gone in and asked for a EGR temp sensor and they told me that they had none in stock. So all of a sudden I emailed the parts department, then a week and a half later, this lady at parts tells me that she found one but that it would take a few days to get it. So Im kind of scepticle of the situation but Ill see what happens when Im able to buy the part.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Brandon, I installed a new speedo cable a week ago and guess what,,, The IROC doesnt stall anymore. I guess the VSS (troublecode 24) was affecting my fuel delivery.

87IROC-DAN61

Hello y84pauloflondon!!

So you got it!!!

Mine were packed the same way, I tried searching Ultra-Power Fuel injection, but came up empty handed!!!

Probably just reboxed GM parts!!! $15.99 for the part, and $33.99 for the box!!!

87IROC-DAN61

Here is the reply to the e-mail that I sent to delphi.

January 19, 2010

Dan:

I reviewed your inquiry and pulled the population data for this part. The years of coverage are 1992-85 and this sensor did fit the Camaro, Firebird and Corvette. The current vehicle registration population for these applications is 89,944. Our historic sales for this part was approximately 23 units per year. Our experience is that the failure rate for this part was extremely low. I understand that as these vehicles age the replacement rates for specific parts increases, but there just is not enough market demand to continue to manufacture this part.

Thank you for your inquiry. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

A company doesn't make money selling 23 items at $XX.XX each. My worth!!

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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I smell horse dung. That is a load of crap. So basically he is saying that profits hit a all time low. I dont understand why they cant make 50,000 units and set them aside. Well Im going to cut and copy this message so that he can see how much trouble we have encountered on trying to find this neccessary part. Im also going to copy and paste the thread so that he can see Chevy8588's design, just so that they (Delphi) can see our attempts of making our 3rd Gens. street legal. We should all contact delphi. Who's with me?

87IROC-DAN61

Hello Chevy86 IROC-Z!!

Here's some more, from the same guy at Delphi:

January 20, 2010

Dan:

I talked to our engineer and his opinion is that these sensors are not repairable. Also, our corporate policy prohibits distribution of proprietary engineering specifications. The factory has discarded the tooling that was used to build these sensors. From what I am told, the tooling was close to the end of its useful life and the decision was made to not invent in refurbishing.

I do have some good news. These is a company that specializes in stocking hard to find Corvette and Camaro parts – Auto Specialty 334-493-1084 / 334-493-1240. The owner’s name is Bob Rush and Bob buys quite a bit of obsolete inventory from Delphi and General Motors. There is a good chance that Bob has what you need at a reasonable price. If Bob doesn’t have it I am pretty sure he knows where it can be found. Also, NAPA Auto Parts has an excellent web site. NAPA many not have the O.E. part but may have an aftermarket equivalent.

I am sorry I can’t help you with the manufacturing issue. Corporations such as Delphi are not really geared to work with small production orders and especially if it means resurrecting an old application.

If you strike out with my suggestions above let me know and I will do some further checking.

At least he gave another source to check out, I tried a Google search for the company but I came up empty handed. The company is actually called Specialty Parts Warehouse Inc. in Opp, Alabama.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Well that sucks.

87IROC-DAN61

Hello Chevy86 IROC-Z!!

If you need one, you better take advantage of it while there is still the chance to get one, or just use Chevy8588's fix if you require an annual smog check, or you can go with 55mikey55's EGR delete, if you don't require an annual smog check!!

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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OK. How will it affect the smog check if I decide to delete the EGR from the PROM?

87IROC-DAN61

Hello Chevy86 IROC-Z!!

I don't really know the answer to that, however, my take is that if I have EGR provisions, I'd like to keep them functioning regardless if I have a smog check or not. The car was built that way, and it runs good that way.

Maybe Chevy8588 or 55mikey55 can shed some more light on that, than I can.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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I got everything that involves the emissions except for the cat. When I found my car in the junk yard, they had already cut out the cat for it's platinum. So instead of buying a new one (Magna Flow), I was exempt for the emissions test so I just put in a 3" pipe. But if I can get away with deleting the EGR, Then that would be great. Brandon, is it possible to pass smog if I delete the EGR from the PROM and still have everything connected exept for the EGR Valve/Solenoid?

Chevy8588

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doubtful. when they throw your car on the dyno they run it through a cruising test too at which point your EGR would open. the machine would see the difference. as long as you HC and N0x levels are low enough u'll be ok though

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Okay. Thanks my friend.

Beater79TA

Depending on how good the car runs, you can pass without AIR or EGR or the cat. My 92 passes the AZ test with just a working cat. A state that does a thorough visual would never pass it though.

y84pauloflondon

Very simple, if your state still tests, then keep your Cat, EGR, and Air pump on the car! You could remove/ not use the air pump and still pass the tests fairly easily, unless a visual inspection is done!

If you are NOT being tested anymore then you could do either Chevy8588's way or 55Mikey55's way.

From what I understand, 55Mikey55 idea does not delete the EGR from the PROM, it just tricks the ECM into thinking that its still there and working fine! No reprograming needed.