Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Transmissions and Drivetrain
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

Transmissions and Drivetrain Need help with your trans? Problems with your axle?

Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-23-2008, 07:36 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Cadillac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 4,142
Car: '91 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700r4, Vette Servo
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt, PBR disks

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via ICQ to Cadillac Send a message via Yahoo to Cadillac
9 Bolt Opinions...

OK, I've read this forum up and down, decided to take a chance and swap a 9 bolt 3.27 in my car, and now it's giving me fits. On the off chance it is something silly that was skipped on installation I'll reserve judgment but so far I'm nervous about this swap.

In case this helps another reader down the road, I would recommend that if you are thinking about a swap and happen across a 9 bolt Borg Warner differential, reconsider purchasing it. Don't get me wrong, I think the 9 bolt was (is?) a great idea and the 3.27 ratio is certainly attractive for my drive train but the parts for these things are kinda hard to get according to the content on this forum. You would be better served with a 10 bolt off either a 3rd or 4th gen car.

http://www.9bolt.com

This is at least one resource I am aware of concerning this component. Any one else have any raves or razzes for this piece?
__________________
~Cadillac

'91 Firebird Convertible
305 CI LO3
17" ROH ZS w/ Nitto DR 555SR's (245/45 - Front, 275/40 - Rear)
9-Bolt Rear Axle with 3.27 gears and PBR rear disks
K&N 14X3 Open Air Element with Non-drop base
TDS Wonderbar/Edelbrock Strut Tower Brace
Edelbrock TES headers with 3" pipe
Alston Sub Frame Connectors
Formula 'Power Bulge' Hood
700R4, Corvette Servo
Aluminum Driveshaft
Ed's LS1 Brake Kit
Flowmaster 80
Jet Fan Switch
KYB GR-2
All Pontiac
Cadillac is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2008, 06:36 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
mcgarnicle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: erlangen, Germany
Posts: 543
Car: 1989 IROC-Z
Engine: L98 350
Transmission: 6 speed
Axle/Gears: LS1 10 bolt 4.11

Classifieds Rating: (11)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Great rear end for the 3rd gen and I would have kept mine if there was some kind of aftermarket.
mcgarnicle is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2008, 04:47 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: K.C.MO
Posts: 154
Car: 88 Formula
Engine: LB9
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.45

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

What's it doing that's "giving you fits"? Bearings and seals are common auto parts store items. Gears and posi units are the less common items since they only came in 3rd gen F bodies, but there does seem to be an awful lot of them around. The 9 bolt is a better piece in so many ways that I'm willing to put up with a little less availability of parts. I picked up a spare one for $150.
RacerX13 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2008, 05:06 PM   #4
Supreme Member
 
TraviZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 10,034
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: F1A 383
Transmission: Th400
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt 3.42

Classifieds Rating: (2)
Send a message via MSN to TraviZ
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

I sold my 9Bolt and swapped to a 10bolt for the gear option I found.
TraviZ is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 03:57 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
samiam91RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 595
Car: 91 RS
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: WC T5 (for now)
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt -3.45-

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX13 View Post
What's it doing that's "giving you fits"? Bearings and seals are common auto parts store items. Gears and posi units are the less common items since they only came in 3rd gen F bodies, but there does seem to be an awful lot of them around. The 9 bolt is a better piece in so many ways that I'm willing to put up with a little less availability of parts. I picked up a spare one for $150.
i just did the swap myself, from 10bolt to the BW 9 and i must say, what a hell of a rear end!! i got everything with mine from disc to disc with the brake cables for 250 and its got 3.45 gears. there is a way to purchase parts actually ive read something about australia. i duuno but next time i go there (which will be soon) im going to find out some info maybe i can bring something back to the board for all us 9 bolt guys. i think its worth it, wouldnt pass it up..
samiam91RS is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 11:56 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
Cadillac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 4,142
Car: '91 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700r4, Vette Servo
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt, PBR disks

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via ICQ to Cadillac Send a message via Yahoo to Cadillac
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Quote:
Originally Posted by samiam91RS View Post
i just did the swap myself, from 10bolt to the BW 9 and i must say, what a hell of a rear end!! i got everything with mine from disc to disc with the brake cables for 250 and its got 3.45 gears. there is a way to purchase parts actually ive read something about australia. i duuno but next time i go there (which will be soon) im going to find out some info maybe i can bring something back to the board for all us 9 bolt guys. i think its worth it, wouldnt pass it up..
That would be nice. The stories I've heard about folks stateside talking to BW distributors in Oz is that they are not interested in shipping to the US. Kinda cost prohibitive I suppose.

My axle is clunking under power from a stand still and when it shifts to second. On top of that there is a metal on metal sliding noise that increases in volume with speed. I find out the score later next week on it. Hoping for a backlash adjustment and lack of enough posi additive.
Cadillac is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 03:22 PM   #7
Member
 
squeeezer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: new richmond wisconsin
Posts: 196
Car: 5 cars

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

they are not as expensive as they were in the past
i just rebuilt an 89 unit with pbr brakes
ring and pinion=$165
bearing kit=around$170
new cones=$177
axlebearings and seals=$80
pbr brake rebuild kits=$11x2
hoses hard lines brake cables=around$50

my posi cones just started to touch the case so the case was in perfect shape
the cases are spendy
these rear ends are only expensive if you are in a hurry to rebuild
i shopped around for almost a year before i rebuilt mine
squeeezer is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 10:00 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Cadillac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 4,142
Car: '91 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700r4, Vette Servo
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt, PBR disks

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via ICQ to Cadillac Send a message via Yahoo to Cadillac
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Where did you source those parts?
Cadillac is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2008, 10:12 PM   #9
Supreme Member
 
Orr89RocZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 15,632
Car: 89 Iroc-z
Engine: Twin Turbo 401
Transmission: TH400
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 10 bolt 2.73's

Classifieds Rating: (16)
Send a message via AIM to Orr89RocZ
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

i got rid of my 9 bolt when i snapped the spider gears in the posi after a weak 1.79 60 foot on my bolt on L98

had 2.77 gears, bought a used 3.27 ring/pin and posi for 210 bucks i think it was and broke it after 5000 miles or so, with only a few race passes on slicks

went to a 10 bolt for 3.42 gears, and big 12 inch ls1 brakes... for 300 complete. i could not find a new posi for that 9 bolt for less than 250 so i swapped rears. 4th gen rear is better deal anyway with parts available everywhere and nicer brakes

wouldnt mind keeping the 9 bolt but there are no parts that i could find other than ring and pinions, and overpriced used posi's. I didnt trust another used posi for the high prices ppl on here charged. ridiculous. oh well
Orr89RocZ is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2008, 12:55 AM   #10
Member
 
squeeezer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: new richmond wisconsin
Posts: 196
Car: 5 cars

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadillac View Post
Where did you source those parts?

ring +pinion i believe were from randy's ring and pinion they are motive gear

bearing set is from randy's

cones are from 9 bolt.com

brake rebuild stuff from napa im an auto tech and gave the list to my napa rep to order = nobody had any of it on hand
squeeezer is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2008, 01:04 AM   #11
Supreme Member
 
Orr89RocZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 15,632
Car: 89 Iroc-z
Engine: Twin Turbo 401
Transmission: TH400
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 10 bolt 2.73's

Classifieds Rating: (16)
Send a message via AIM to Orr89RocZ
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

9 bolt.com still in business?
Orr89RocZ is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2008, 01:51 AM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: K.C.MO
Posts: 154
Car: 88 Formula
Engine: LB9
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.45

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

The website is still up-

http://www.9bolt.com/
RacerX13 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2008, 11:51 AM   #13
Member
 
squeeezer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: new richmond wisconsin
Posts: 196
Car: 5 cars

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

yup i bought my cones from them a 3 months ago
it took a month to get them though
squeeezer is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 03:17 PM   #14
Supreme Member
 
Tony89GTA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Prince George, BC, Canada
Posts: 1,744
Car: 89 GTA
Engine: 5.7L Supercharged
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: Moser 9" 3.70

Classifieds Rating: (7)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Ah 9 bolts are such a junk rear I wouldn't even bother wasting money on the thing. If it's in your car now and your stock leave it but if you plan on making power down the road start saving your money for a new rear.
__________________
89 T-Top GTA 5.7L T-56
ATI Procharger D1sc, AFR 195 Eliminator heads, ZZ9 cam, AS&M SS runners, Accel base, 58mm TB, 60Ibs injectors, Stainless Works LT 1 3/4 headers, Mufflex 4" catback, McLeod Street twin clutch, Moser Ford 9" with 3.70, 18" Boyd Smoothie II wheels 8"/10", DIY prom with code59. Stock short block

Miniram & Monoblade throttle body soon to be added.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2480939
Tony89GTA is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 03:25 PM   #15
Member
 
squeeezer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: new richmond wisconsin
Posts: 196
Car: 5 cars

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony89GTA View Post
Ah 9 bolts are such a junk rear I wouldn't even bother wasting money on the thing. If it's in your car now and your stock leave it but if you plan on making power down the road start saving your money for a new rear.


kinda vague
how much is "some" power to you?????
did you have a bad expierience with 1 ????
do tell!!!!!
slicks or street radials?????

ive got a buddy who races an 88 gta 500 tq and h.p. on slicks been racing this 9 bolt for 4 years now replaced plenty of trannies same original 130k mile 9 bolt rear end
squeeezer is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 03:33 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
igotta355z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Waco Tx
Posts: 857
Car: 89 IROC, 99 V6 Camaro
Engine: 6.0 Gen III
Transmission: 4l60E
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Posi 3.27

Classifieds Rating: (1)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

just another person who thinks if it aint a 12 bolt or 9 inch it aint any good... 9 bolts are nice i love mine. sure there are better but u can use these for some fast street cars.....i wouldnt run full slicks on them but then agian i wouldnt ever think of running slicks on any street car at the track....
igotta355z28 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 03:49 PM   #17
Supreme Member
 
Tony89GTA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Prince George, BC, Canada
Posts: 1,744
Car: 89 GTA
Engine: 5.7L Supercharged
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: Moser 9" 3.70

Classifieds Rating: (7)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Quote:
Originally Posted by igotta355z28 View Post
just another person who thinks if it aint a 12 bolt or 9 inch it aint any good... 9 bolts are nice i love mine. sure there are better but u can use these for some fast street cars.....i wouldnt run full slicks on them but then agian i wouldnt ever think of running slicks on any street car at the track....
Na just another sucker who thought 9 bolts can hold up and spent a lot of money on it.
Tony89GTA is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 03:58 PM   #18
Supreme Member
 
Orr89RocZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 15,632
Car: 89 Iroc-z
Engine: Twin Turbo 401
Transmission: TH400
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 10 bolt 2.73's

Classifieds Rating: (16)
Send a message via AIM to Orr89RocZ
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

like i said, my 9 bolt broke with a stock L98 turning 1.7x 60 foots.... some hold some dont, just like 10 bolts

7.625 ring gear compared to a 7.75 inch.... that extra little bit doesnt really help 12 bolt or 9 inch FTW
Orr89RocZ is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 04:02 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Demon355's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, Ont
Posts: 2,613

Classifieds Rating: (1)
Send a message via MSN to Demon355
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

JT Performance

I got all my 9 bolt stuff from them. Every rear is different so to say that all 9/10 bolts won't hold up etc is a vague statement. Guys run mid 10 sec cars on stock rears all the time with DR's.
Demon355 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 04:11 PM   #20
Supreme Member
 
Tony89GTA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Prince George, BC, Canada
Posts: 1,744
Car: 89 GTA
Engine: 5.7L Supercharged
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: Moser 9" 3.70

Classifieds Rating: (7)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

Yeah with simple bolt-ons i was having problems, the end for me was when my rear was making lot of noises, probably pinion bearing or gears but when I took out my first axle was thrilled to see my splines were shifted about 3/8-1/2" lol.

Looked like this

.|||
.///
|||

Tony89GTA is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 08:36 PM   #21
Member
 
squeeezer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: new richmond wisconsin
Posts: 196
Car: 5 cars

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

9 bolts are good rears you do need to know their limits though
ive seen them take alot of abuse
i picked a 9 bolt for my car for greater strength over the 10 bolt and the 89 pbr disc brakes (i had drums)
my car has a 527 horse and515 tq 406 sbc
and will always have a zr speed rated tire so it will live a cushy life
if i decide on drag radials im comfertablle with that with the strength of the 9 bolt (i would get better axles though)
12 bolt rears are not that great either
9inch and dana/s60 rears would be the best choice the s60 being a slight winner imo
squeeezer is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 10:22 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
Cadillac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 4,142
Car: '91 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700r4, Vette Servo
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt, PBR disks

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via ICQ to Cadillac Send a message via Yahoo to Cadillac
Re: 9 Bolt Opinions...

For daily driving (my application with an LO3) it should be an ideal component... and as it turns out, I have broken transmission mounts. So mine could turn out fine for a spell.

Yeah... I'm a little embarassed now but the thought of rebuilding my unmatching-numbers differntial is a new concern. I still love the gear ratio and performance boost from the 2.73 unlimited slip.

Cadillac is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 10:22 PM
ThirdGen
1992 Camaro




Paid Advertisement


Reply

Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Transmissions and Drivetrain
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 


1982 Camaro '82 || 1983 Camaro '83 || 1984 Camaro '84 || 1985 Camaro '85 || 1986 Camaro '86 || 1987 Camaro '87 || 1988 Camaro '88 || 1989 Camaro '89 || 1990 Camaro '90 || 1991 Camaro '91 || 1992 Camaro '92


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright © 1997 - 2012 ThirdGen.org. All rights reserved. No part of this website may be reproduced without the expressed, documented, and written consent of ThirdGen.org's Administrators.

Emails & Contact Details