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Old 08-10-2008, 01:14 AM   #1
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Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

Hi everyone. I did some research in threads about how to tell if your clutch is about to go and i concluded that mine is messed up and i want to replace it before fall semester of college starts. I've been noticing that my car shakes really bad when ever i take off in first gear. Actually it shakes and take awhile to engage and actually drive in any gear. I take really good care of my car and i rarely burn rubber and i cant even do that anymore. anyway i have some questions.


Is it easier than it looks to replace a clutch?

and

does anyone know how much a shop would charge to replace a clutch?

I'm kinda of leaning towards taking to a shop because of the warranty they'll offer.

one more question....lol

With a bad clutch, am i burning more fuel every time i drive? just wondering because gas prices are going to suck commuting to school and work everyday.


ps. i have 91 firebird 5 speed T5 tranny

all help is greatly appreciated!
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Old 08-10-2008, 04:01 AM   #2
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

To replace the clutch on your car it wouldn't be to bad at all maybe a few hours of work, the T-5 is such a light tranny which makes things so much easier. If you don't have the tools though probably better take it to a shop plus your going to have to get the flywheel machined anyways. Just make sure they don't rip you off to much.
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Old 08-10-2008, 01:27 PM   #3
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To replace the clutch on your car it wouldn't be to bad at all maybe a few hours of work, the T-5 is such a light tranny which makes things so much easier. If you don't have the tools though probably better take it to a shop plus your going to have to get the flywheel machined anyways. Just make sure they don't rip you off to much.

Well im going to call around and quote but if it too pricey ill do it myself. Ill borrow some tools from a friend. haha gotta get some heavy duty jack stands because our cars are heavy and low. plus 2 hours or so doesn't sound bad at all. Thank you for the info.

ps. your car looks really nice on the avatar.
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Well im going to call around and quote but if it too pricey ill do it myself. Ill borrow some tools from a friend. haha gotta get some heavy duty jack stands because our cars are heavy and low. plus 2 hours or so doesn't sound bad at all.
Took me two hours (maybe more) to remove that #$%#@ bolt at the top of the bell housing. The swap is generally straightforward. Some research here and a shop manual will probably save you time and money.

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Old 08-29-2008, 02:10 AM   #5
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

i got quoted at $390 today. Do you guys think this is a legit price to do a clutch?


ps. most of the shops i called were charging about $500-600. I also had one shop ask me if my car was an "automatic or Manual" after i told them i needed a quote for a clutch job....


ps. is there a way of telling that the shop does everything there supposed to do like resurface my flywheel?
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:42 PM   #6
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

Okay so decided today after weeks of trying to find answers and reading the chiltons manual that im going to do it myself. frankly i don't trust any of these shops around here. ive alreaday had two shops try to talk me into making my car one of there weekend jobs and another ask me if my car was an automatic.

beware out there everyone. there is people who jut want your money.

anyway this will be my first clutch change ever on a 185K motor and tranny. I will keep you all updated.
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Old 08-29-2008, 05:20 PM   #7
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

Shouldn't be too bad.
Buy the full clutch kit. Remember to have another car there, since you'll have to drive your old flywheel over to a shop to get it machined (that's probably the bulk of the reason why it shudders...). Might need to replace it if it's really gone bad.

I'd want friends over to help, the tranny is still pretty heavy...
Put it up as high in the air as you can, that's my point of advice....

I'd also recommend buying a poly tranny mount while you're there. Chances are good yours is shot, and it's a $20 part....

Your clutch kit should come with a throw out bearing... right?
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And remember a new pilot bearing.

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Old 08-31-2008, 12:18 AM   #9
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Shouldn't be too bad.
Buy the full clutch kit. Remember to have another car there, since you'll have to drive your old flywheel over to a shop to get it machined (that's probably the bulk of the reason why it shudders...). Might need to replace it if it's really gone bad.

I'd want friends over to help, the tranny is still pretty heavy...
Put it up as high in the air as you can, that's my point of advice....

I'd also recommend buying a poly tranny mount while you're there. Chances are good yours is shot, and it's a $20 part....

Your clutch kit should come with a throw out bearing... right?
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And remember a new pilot bearing.

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Thanks guys. Im looking at buying a clutch kit from kragens with everything i need.

My current list:
  1. Clutch Kit
  2. Blue Sealer for the bolts
  3. Gear box oil
  4. Grease
  5. Poly Transmission mount (If the old one is shot)
  6. Torque wrench (do i really need one?)
  7. Anything that im missing??
ps. heres the link to the clutch kit im looking at http://www.partsamerica.com/productd...pe=244&PTSet=A

any suggestions if this is a good kit of not?
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Old 08-31-2008, 04:21 PM   #10
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

an other question. I'm worried that i might have trouble loosening bolts. Shuold i be worried about that? I dont have a power tools but a drill
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

Air tools are great (and a must have for an old fart like me), but you can complete the job with hand tools.

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Old 08-31-2008, 05:15 PM   #12
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Air tools are great (and a must have for an old fart like me), but you can complete the job with hand tools.

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Haha....one day ill have air tools. I was jut concerned with not be able to take off certain bolts and what not. Unfortunately I don't have a torque wrench so i might have to guesstimate how tight i put these bolts or maybe just put them all tight. Thanks man
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

its not that bad, Your list seems pretty complete. The hardest part is going to be the pilot bearing, you might need a slide hammer to get that out. Ill give you a rundown how to yoke the trans.

1) take the console apart to remove the shifter.

2)Jack the car up and support it, then remove the driveshaft and I normally just take out the nut that holds the torque are clamshell mount togather.

3) Disconnect the speedocable or speed sensor, and reverse light switch, disconnect the slave cylinder. Youll save time by just unbolting it and letting it lay there, dont disconnect the line because youll have to bleed it later.

4) put a jack under the tailhousing, and take off the crossmember.

5) Lower the tranny until those top 2 bellhousing bolts get to be in sight. I normally use a 18inch extenstion. Before you do that, I normally take a rachet strap and wrap it around the tranny and jack just to stabilize it. Then it should come right out.

Look up a picture on how to replace the throw out bearing, I dont think its that hard, but I guess alot of people screw it up.


If it seems to hard, it only pays 5.5 hours according to alldata, so you know if your getting raped at a shop.


Your going to want to buy a torque wrench. The only bolts you really need to torque are the flywheel to crankshaft, and the pressure plate to flywheel bolts.
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Old 09-01-2008, 10:19 AM   #14
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The hardest part is going to be the pilot bearing, you might need a slide hammer to get that out.
Messy but, you can pack the bearing with grease and use an old alignment tool (or even a dowel rod) to drive the bearing out. I've even heard of threading a bolt into it working it out that way.

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Old 09-07-2008, 10:07 PM   #15
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Re: Should i replace my clutch myself or...?

well its done. I ended up taking to a guy who did it this weekend. I feels like he did a great job. I accidentally peeled out down the street from his house. oops! I don't drive like that! lol Anyway what a big difference. The pedal feels so smooth and I've never felt so much power in my car...i guess my clutch was going out since i bought it.

THanks for all your input guys!
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Do you need to break it in?
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