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Old 10-26-2009, 01:52 PM   #1
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Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

im rebuilding the whole car over winter (90 Iroc stock) and im looking at around 300 hp and maybe a basic NOS set up

now are they stock a 9 bolt? what would be a good way to go about this, can i just buy a new differential unit from like Auburn ect and use it in the same housing? or would i have to get a whole new *** end?

any other input or ideas would be great thanks!
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Re: Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

Do you have a 9 bolt? If you do then you are limited to the Borg Warner differential. Auburn, Eaton and none of the other manufacturers make a differential for the 9 bolt. In stock form the 9 bolt is a pretty good rear end for 300 HP.

If you have a 10 bolt then you have more options. You could get an Auburn for it, but I don't recommend it. It's my opinion that the Auburn is junk. The Eaton Posi is a much better differential. You could also get a T/A Performance aluminum support cover for the 10 bolt or the 9 bolt. This will help strengthen the housing and make the gears last longer.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:56 PM   #3
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Re: Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

I believe they stopped 9 bolts around 87. Count number of bolts on center housing, you should have 10. Also I think 90-92 cars came with 28 spline axles versus 26 for others. They make aftermarket axles that are supposed to be 35% stronger than stock. I believe stock 28 spline is fine for most 350 builds. Problem with 10 bolt is smaller housing at 7.65 inches. Torque twisting the housing is what kills gears inside.

Biggest help would be aluminum differential cover, transmission torque arm and subframe connectors. You can upgrade axles if you want. Check out below links. There might be some internals that you can upgrade too like zytanium crosspin. Your car came with decent gears that should work well with your build. I would keep gears but beef up what you can. Full aftermarket axle that bolts in like Dana S60 or Moser 10 bolt will be $2,500. I don't know if SLP still sells a torsen differential as mentioned in links.

$160 diff cover
$270-370 torque arm
$200 subframe connectors
$240 aftermarket axles

http://www.ws6transam.org/10bolt.html
http://www.thirdgen.org/beefinguprear
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tr...-10-bolts.html (FAQ About 10-Bolts)

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Old 10-26-2009, 10:24 PM   #4
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I believe they stopped 9 bolts around 87. Count number of bolts on center housing, you should have 10. Also I think 90-92 cars came with 28 spline axles versus 26 for others. They make aftermarket axles that are supposed to be 35% stronger than stock. I believe stock 28 spline is fine for most 350 builds. Problem with 10 bolt is smaller housing at 7.65 inches. Torque twisting the housing is what kills gears inside.

Biggest help would be aluminum differential cover, transmission torque arm and subframe connectors. You can upgrade axles if you want. Check out below links. There might be some internals that you can upgrade too like zytanium crosspin. Your car came with decent gears that should work well with your build. I would keep gears but beef up what you can. Full aftermarket axle that bolts in like Dana S60 or Moser 10 bolt will be $2,500. I don't know if SLP still sells a torsen differential as mentioned in links.

$160 diff cover
$270-370 torque arm
$200 subframe connectors
$240 aftermarket axles

http://www.ws6transam.org/10bolt.html
http://www.thirdgen.org/beefinguprear
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tr...-10-bolts.html (FAQ About 10-Bolts)

great thats really helpfull thanks


is there a good rebuild kit for the actual differential unit?
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Re: Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

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I believe they stopped 9 bolts around 87.
Just as general info: 85-90, according to the following link:

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/fa...now-about.html (Everything I know about 9-Bolt Rearends!)

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Re: Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

JamesC, thank you for information and correction

I cam across this guys site on upgrading stock 10bolt. Good info with pics.
http://www.z28boy.cz28.com/mods-rearend.htm

Maybe somebody else know this, but is there a reason to rebuild or replace your stock posi unit? New detroit diff is $410, detriot locking diff is $540 and eaton posi is $520.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Detroit-Locker...2A557/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Detroit-Locker...2C59A/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Eaton/362/19599-010/10002/-1

If you decided on aftermarket axles, stay away from american alloy. I've read on this site that people have had problems installing C clip on them. I would order set from Moser.
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Re: Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

Hmm edumacated myself abit on diffs. Looks like it would be good idea to upgrade to unit with no clutches. Torsen zexel looks like a good one.

Biggear, do you have any opinions of torsen or should we just go eaton?

I found some of these posts.
http://members.rennlist.com/951_racerx/PS84Gleason.html
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tr...el-torsen.html (Auburn or Zexel-Torsen???)
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tr...pros-cons.html (TORSEN diff. Pro's and Con's)
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tr...el-torsen.html (Zexel-torsen)
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Re: Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

The Torsen is very similar to the Truetrac. These work well for road racing and auto cross. The Eaton is a little better for drag racing.
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The Torsen is very similar to the Truetrac. These work well for road racing and auto cross. The Eaton is a little better for drag racing.

what would be the best for street application? thats not to $$$
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I like the Eaton Posi best. I've had less trouble with them than any others. I haven't installed any Truetrac differentials in any performance cars. I've only installed them in the front of 4X4 trucks and Jeeps. I have had people tell me that they have some problems doing burnouts with the Truetrac and Torsen units. Seems that one wheel will spin without the other sometimes. Hitting the brakes usually takes care of the problem.
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Re: Rebuilding stock rear end? some advice ideas?

theres alota options for the eaton on jegs, what are the differences? theres like 20 options for the GM 10 bolt


will it work with the stock 10 bolt axles? are they loud?
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The Eaton will work with stock axles and it isn't loud. It won't make any noise at all in most cases.
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