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Old 08-26-2002, 11:14 PM   #1
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V6 turbo headers

alright, i was looking into this. From what i swa, i can get stock headers to work but i will make my own. All i need to do is mound the flange at the bottom of the headers and than hook the turbo onto it. than hook a downpipe to the y pipe, i looked at my car all day to figure this out, i will get it to work in time, in a few monthes, i will post pics. just FYI
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been there, thought that. where exactly are you planning to mount the turbo? I am/will/was going to mount it in the front pass side, right behind the radiator.
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that's about the only place you can mount it in these cars, I intiailly thought of turning it sideways like the TTA's and GN's did. Hmmmmm, although, u hadm entioned two turbos, so maybe you're going to mount it up kinda like GM did in that twin turbo 5.0 hmm or 5.7 can't remember, that's hidden away in their vault of nice things.
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alright, i was looking into this. From what i swa, i can get stock headers to work but i will make my own. All i need to do is mound the flange at the bottom of the headers and than hook the turbo onto it. than hook a downpipe to the y pipe, i looked at my car all day to figure this out, i will get it to work in time, in a few monthes, i will post pics. just FYI
Stock headers... you mean stock manifolds?
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correct, and remember if you're using stock manifolds then the fow still wont' be nearly as "perected" as it should be. The best thing you could do would be to bulid a set of headers to run to the turbo...You should also think about running twin turbos, because if you only run one turbo on one bank of cylinders, you won't get enough gas to create a lot of boost. In other words, u won't get the power monster you're expecting.
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i was looking at what u said, there is no room for turbos, guess the v8 is going to have to be droped in. thanks for making me look
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Couldn't you take the stock manifolds, and just reverse what side they were on, so that rather than the collector facing the rear of the car, it would face the front. Then you run a pipe from the collector up so that it's inbetween the radiator and the engine. Then you run the turbo off of that (this is assuming a twin turbo design) and have a second pipe out of the turbo that goes down and under the engine, and connects to the Y-pipe. I dunno, it's just a thought.
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joe no way for one manifolds are hot and headers are even hotter point being why would you even have a cooling fan?? If you have headers/manifods/pipe infront of the engine the heat is going to build up infront and just get blow onto the engine via the cooling fan. also it will keep the radiator coolant hot due to being close to the inlet hose to the water pump it just can't be done. and why would you anyway? just slap a damn vortec or paxton super charger on it and be done with it. after what it will cost you to do it right with turbos spend another 300-400 and do it right and clean
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michael, i've gotta disagree with you on heat from the exhaust system being an issue. Think about any car with a transversly (sp) mounted engine. Nine times outta ten, the exhaust manifold is inbetween the radiator and the engine block. Second, you said that the cooling fan would blow hot air right on the engine. Call me crazy, but the fan comes on to move air past the radiator. The hot air that it's pulling through goes right to the motor. Could it increase underhood temps, sure. But there are simple ways around it. First, put in a 160 thermostat. Second, install a second cooling fan. Third, mount a front spoiler under the car to direct cool air into the engine bay, just like the one that some people have attached to the bottom of their radiator. You've gotta remember that these are water cooled engines, and the radiator would be infront of the turbos, with plenty of access to cool air.
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Don't mind me - just throwing out something here.
To answer someone's question the twin turbo was a 5.7TT on the firefox. pretty sweet stuff, do a search on the FireFox and youll get tons of stuff.
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It should be noted however that that engine is in a porsche 510. I don't think we have that kind of clearance between the engine and the strut towers. Still, to those who say that a twin turbo 2.8L is impossible or impracticle, well, there it is.
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Here's the website where theat pic came from if you're interested. http://www.bryanf.com/mycars/510V6.htm
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It should be noted however that that engine is in a porsche 510. I don't think we have that kind of clearance between the engine and the strut towers. Still, to those who say that a twin turbo 2.8L is impossible or impracticle, well, there it is.
THATS a datsun 510 NOT a porche.
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I"ll be damned, I always thought that was a Porsche Now I'm really wondering why he used Porsche fuel injection.
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WOW!!!!!!!, really, does anyone knoe what that ran in the 1/4? that looks fast. And 20lbs boost! wow, that is starting to make me think
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Keep in mind that the engine in that car was built from the ground up. It has much stronger internals than a stock engine. I also wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the compression when they built the engine. I see it like this, if you can build a turbo setup and prove it viable by running like 5-7 pounds of boost on a stock engine, and you can get some respectable power gains, then it might be worth it to either build a second 2.8 with forged internals and 8:1 compression, or alter your current engine to those specs (a complete rebuild). But building the engine isn't the problem, it the getting a turbo setup that will fit and work well in an F-body engine bay.
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I"ll be damned, I always thought that was a Porsche Now I'm really wondering why he used Porsche fuel injection.
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its not Porsche injection.. its TEC!
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A modified Porsche fuel injection system was also planned. It turned out that the engine was ideal, as it’s real smooth, very responsive, and has proved to be plenty durable
I think that it may have had a fuel injection system out of a porsche when it was first built and then was upgraded later. Although it was real late when I read through the site, so don't mind me
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:hail: :hail: I want that in my f-body.... that is a SICK setup...
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I want that in my s10, Wonder if them turbos would clear my ac and upper control arms?? He should have swapped it over to a 3.4l while they were at it.
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I think that's a very old car; don't think the 3.4 was out yet.
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I gotta agree with Tom on this one. On the site he talks about how a better intake manifold became avaliable that was made for camaros. So I get the idea that the engine was built even before the MPFI F-bodies.
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I e-mailed the owner awhile back and he said it made nearly 400 hp.
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In a car that tiny! That's just insane. Do they have that guy on suicide watch?
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Even if you are not going to Turbo - the information about that engine is extremely valueable! The way that it was put together, torn up, put back together, torn up, put back together, etc!! What internals does it have - rods, pistons, cam, etc. Details, I want Details!
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