Better watch out AGood2.8, heres where they go off into manually controlling the operation of boost.....................................AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. FLY Yes there is proof the 5 Speed swap made my brother 90* quicker but its all Gtech and that claimed 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 and 45 more HP I personally dont beleive the readings given but anyone with a neck and a back to be planted in the seat can tell its has more power. Conventional method proves 20 more HP to the rear wheels just by swaping to a stick and that is proven.

I think you are just arguing a one-person argument here. All I was saying was that I like driving a manual. If I drove a built auto with a turbo, I probably would feel pretty good about the power, I'm not disagreeing. It's just a personal thing that a manual is fun to drive for me. No hard feelings here. I just want to make it clear that I'm not arguing a manual is faster than an auto. I like driving a stick, period. I guess I'm just willing to sacrifice some power for some other thrill, like the feeling of control.

edit: All this talk about whether RPM and boost are related, and I just kept thinking about a supercharger, and I'm thinking, well of course they're related. So I guess if you want to build boost in a stick in neutral you can go for the super.

I'm not sure what trans you would use since the T5 is a chevy trans and the 3.8 is a buick motor..you'd probaby have to get a custom flywheel made..but again I'm not sure how it was done by the people who have done it in the past

Also superchargers and turbos are much different in how they make power

Where there's time and money, there's usually a way.

very true but why spend more money to go slower?

Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhh. Stop trashing the 5 speed. If I want to spend money to go slower, I can if I want, you're not my mom!

I started out by just in good humor teasing you about the auto being better than a stick- no arguement here. Since you are pressing the issue, I will state again that if you have never driven a built auto, then you don't know how much fun they are.

Now I'm not talking about a 700r4 with a shift kit- woopie- no, I'm talking about a fully built 700r4. My auto can be shifted like a manual- bamm- its downshifted into gear-click bamm its upshifted into gear-instantaniously NO LAG BETWEEN GEARS like the stock trannies you have driven on (even with the B&M shift kits) They still are not impressive- Try calling Darrel Young Racing Transmissions and set yourself up with a fully built 700r4.

Again- I can shift mine manually anytime I want- up or down- instantly. Stock trannies wont let you do that- even with shift kits.

If I ever get the opportunity to drive a built auto, I'll take it. If I decide to take up racing, I'll build one. I'm always up for a thrill. I'll leave this one alone if you agree that clutching and shifting with a manual has its moments.

No hard feelings about anything though. The only thing I get pissed off at is people who put others down on this board, and especially those V8ers who do so. This board is about helping each other out and having civilized debates... which is what we're doing.

lol, you email me for advice and questions regarding the swap...and you expect me to help you with that attitude? :sillylol: I will trash the 5speed all I want because number 1 the T5 is a piece of junk and Number 2 IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA BEHIND THE LC2 MOTOR, CASE ****IN CLOSED!

Granted the T5 might not be The Hulk, but she's good to me, so don't insult her. But BTW, I didn't email you for advice, nor did I ask you to email me with advice. You just said you would, so I said cool. But really, I just want to know about the engine swap, the tranny I can take care of (manual or auto).

If an auto was better why don't they use them in NASCAR and if your suck an AUTO king, build your self and auto NASCAR car and show them what it all about.

Calll up John Force and tell him how he should stick an auto in the 300mph monster of his.

Maybe all motorcycles should be auto's too.


Your stepping across a line and all I can say is, go take your
fly gta n go bleep yourself.


Where is that ignor member button???

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/memb...serlist=ignore

Can I lock a thread I started?

Gumby, where did I say sticks suck OVERALL? NOWHERE, reading comprehension is goood mmmmkay. I said behind the GN motor it BLOWS! My '02 ram air t/a that I'll be getting early next year..guess what it's gonna have? A t56..so please tell me where I said all sticks suck? Don't you feel stupid....


Yeah, and let's bring up NASCAR and NHRA when we're talking about normal street cars, now THERE is a point to bring up in an arguement...

It's not my fault you can't understand the logic...or haven't driven a turbo car...but whatever..keep thinking what you think..you're entitled to that...

AGAIN, READ what I was saying..nowhere did I say all sticks suck...I can give you the number to hooked on phonics if you need it...

Camaro..email was still down last night..I'll be at the track tonght but I'll get you some info at some point this weekend.

and for the record I'd LOVE to have a T56 behind my turbo motor....so

Gumby I don't know why you got your panties in such a bunch...it's a little debate for christ sake...guess you can't handle it..whatever..

OK, I will add a little to this one.

I(using my brothers account) Own a TTA and know a lot about the Turbo Buick Drivetrain.

First off in a drag race in a Grand Nation or TTA, the automatic will be faster due to Spooling the turbo at the line and leaving with boost. Period, you can not do this on a 5-speed car without toasting your clutch against line locks.

Who would really road race a Grand National? Slow spooling and not being able to choose your gear in an automatic car can be fixed with a ratchet shifter.

The 200R4 was chosen for the vehicles for favorable gear ratios for the turbo cars. The low first gear of the 700R4 was not needed for the Turbo cars. On the other hand the Monte SS that got the 200R4 had to compensate for the lack of a low first gear by running a 3.73 gear in the rear.

GM tried a 5-speed and found it to be slower in the 1/4 mile, but had a top speed about 10mph faster due to a more favorable high gear and more power was available to the rear wheels.

No for the simple debate between autos and manuals.
Manual transmissions put more power to the ground due to less driveline loss and usually weigh less. This is simple, plus they are more fun to drive to some people. My daily driver is a 5-speed and I wouldn't have it any other way. I would like my TTA to be a 5 or 6 speed as well, but I am not willing to sacriice the performance to have a little more fun rowing gears(I think lower ETs are the most fun). On the other hand the 5-speed I drive everyday is more fun on the back roads.

The automatic is heavier and has a fluid coupling (Torque converter) for the driveline. Though with these drawbacks, it shifts faster, and is more consistant than any human. This is not a point you can debate. The automatic can not miss a shift(if its in good condition) and no humn can shift faster than it can. Automatics are almost instantanious when calibrated properly, and even the best manual drivers take at least .02 sec. If you runn through 4 gears in a quater mile in a 5 speed car you are loosing almost a .1 of a sec by shifting.

In the end it comes down to personal preferences, but a turbo car will always be faster in a quarter mile with a quality automatic. It will have more power out of the hole, and we all know the first 60' is the most importan part of a drag race.

Nascar does not use an automatic because they need full contro over gears NOW, not ratched from 4th to 2nd. Plus it gets more power to the wheels(about 5% more) and is lighter. The dont drag race.

NHRA... yea they really run manuals they have to shift don't they. Its rods, just bang them and it goes into gear. No clutch and shift. Though, these transmissions are not very usefull for street applicatios. Here agin its all about the power and weight. You also have to consider they are not running turbos, but superchargers. Supercharger buil up pressure by engine speed alone. Turbos need load to build boost because it need high air mass to spoll them up.

Stick = better effeciency (no parastic TC) = more power to the ground.

Auto = Consistancy. Not to mention a TH400 will handle anything you can through at it.

From one with a stick and a turbo in his car RIGHT NOW. YOU BUILD NO BOOST IN NEUTRAL.

Thank you, that is all. :lala:

Well not really on the 3.8 topic but. ............. ..........
I still beleive I personally I- I -I- I- I- can shift damn near as quick as any auto transmission. My the almight protect my shifter and my syncros. Amen.

hahaha

would u have to swap in all the electronics and all into ur f-body from a GN or T-type for the 3.8l swap???

oh and also john forces funny car is a automatic i guess u could say. no trans in it.

and also would a TH350 work with the 3.8l GN motor????

what electronics do you mean?

and yes a TH350 would work

camaro_junkie, still didn't forget about you..I'm actually writing up somewhat of a tech article and i'll email it to you when I'm done

i mean like the computer and injection wireing and such???
or could u buy that all aftermarket?????

this is a swap i been contemplating for a few years but never really went and got ne real details bout it

You CAN use the GN harness but you'd have to splice it with your stock harness, a real pain. You can try to find a TTA one

You'd need the GN/TTA ECM too but they're dirt cheap now.

what if ur car isnt fuel injected?????
u think maybe like painless wireing has a complete kit for the wireing????

well the injector harness is seperate I believe but still part of the harness so to speak(Don't quote me on the injector harness being totally seperate). But when someone sells a harness they sell it complete

As far as the car not being fuel injected, when you're gonna have to get a new intake fuel pump as well