http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=38634 Check it out, $700 and brand freakin new. That's a fraction of what it was new years ago. I don't see any way for the blower to work with SFI, I think it will only work carb and TBI. So if you bought it you would have to convert. B&M made these a long, long time ago I rarely see them on ebay. The only compairable one that is made to day is made in canida and it is $4000 for the basic kit.

and here we thught the $1500 Fageol charger was the only one.......

Okay... noone's listening to me, so this is the final warning. I'm sick of doing this myself and I'm explaining it one last time.

Great! A blower! Cool! .... And in 3 weeks if someone digs up this post about that spiffy blower and clicks on the ebay link, what do they get? NOTHING!

If you MUST post an ebay link, attach pictures from the auction to the thread, as well as a description of the item, because otherwise you're just going to frustrate everyone who discovers this thread after the few weeks the auction lasts.

Any further ebay links to rare V6 parts which do not include picture attachments and descriptions from the ebay ad within the thread WILL be deleted on sight and without notice. This thread must comply within 48 hours, by someone else's doing.. because as I said, I'm sick of doing it myself.

Okay.. so most of the item description is thoroughly useless, and the seller really irks me, is clueless, and I'd never buy anything from him.. but I'm gonna do this one last time since these are the best pictures of the B&M blower I've seen as of yet...

the part number on the side of the box is '90700-60' v6 satin'

Looking at the picture of the intake manifold for the blower, there appears to be enough runner to hack on a PFI setup if you were feeling really DIYish. Might need to space the blower up a few inches to clear fuel rails and whatnot though.

And the accessory kit that normally comes with this, to give you an idea of the things you'll need to do a DIY supercharger setup if anyone gets bored...

This thing is not mine, just thought some of you might like to see or even bid on this.
You should be able to view all the auction pics and text for up to 90 days after it ends.
This is the description:

I HAVE A BRAND NEW, STILL IN THE FACTORY BOX AND FOAM, B&M SUPERCHARGER FOR 2.8L 3.1L AND 3.4L V6 60' GM MOTORS.

IT COMES WITH THE SPECIAL B&M ALUMINUM MANIFOLD AND **INSTRUCTIONS!**

TO THE WINNING BIDDER I WILL MAKE AVAILABLE ALL OF THE ACCESORIES WHICH YOU WILL NEED TO SET THIS BABY UP RIGHT SUCH AS BELTS, GASKETS, PULLEYS, TENSIONERS, BRACKETS, HARDWARE, NUTS AND BOLTS!

GET THE ENTIRE SET AND DO THE JOB RIGHT.

THIS SUPERCHARGER WILL FIT JEEPs WITH THE 2.8L LITER V6 AS WELL AS ALL THE GM VEHICLES THAT CAM WITH THE ABOVE 60 DEGREE V6'S SUCH AS ----CAMARO FIERO BLAZER JIMMY CAVALIER AS WELL AS SOME OTHER GM SUV'S AND MINIVANS.

THIS UNIT WILL INCREASE YOUR ENGINES OUTPUT BY 50%-100%

THIS UNIT IS MADE TO FIT VEHICLES WITH OR WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING!!!

AS MOST OF YOU KNOW THESE ARE AS RARE AS HEN'S TEETH AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MADE IN MANY MANY YEARS.

HOLLEY, WHO BOUGHT B&M HAS NO IDEA THIS UNIT EVEN EXISTED!

AGAIN THIS UNIT IS NEW IN THE BOX- NEVER USED, NEVER BOLTED ON ETC.

STILL HAS THE FACTORY PACKING GREASE ALL OVER IT. (this is what looks brown or black in the pictures)

IT LOOKS PERFECT BECAUSE IT IS PERFECT.

I DON'T THINK THIS ONE WILL LAST LONG.

EMAIL ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS AND I WILL TRY TO RESPOND QUICKLY.

I ONLY HAVE ONE.

ALSO HAVE A SET OF DISHED PISTONS AND A MOTOR SPECIALLY REBUILT FOR THIS SUPERCHARGER WITH EDELBROCK CAM, LIFTERS, COMP CAMS TIMING SET, ROLLER ROCKERS AND HEADMAN HEADERS.

I SAW ONE OF THESE SUPERCHARGERS SELL ON eBAY FOR $4000 A WHILE BACK!

AUCTION IS ONLY FOR THE SUPERCHARGER,THE MANIFOLD AND THE INSTRUCTIONS

IF YOU WANT THE OTHER STUFF WE CAN TALK ALSO.

IF THE PRICE EXCEEDS 2000 DOLLARS I WILL GIVE THE WINNER ALL THE ACCESSORIES AT NO EXTRA CHARGE!

NO RESERVE!!!

BID OFTEN, DON'T WAIT 'TILL THE LAST SECOND YOU MIGHT GET 'SNIPED'.

THIS UNIT WILL SELL TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

EMAIL ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR OFFERS, BUT PLEASE NO TRADES.

GOOD LUCK

Techsmurf, How did you make the pictures big?

he has super human/moderator powers :hail:

Ya ever noticed that most posts you find in a search are more than 90 days old? Wouldn't you find it frustrating if you were trying to find info on roots blowers if all you could dig up were dead ebay links? I know it's ticked me off once or twice. ThirdGen.Org has a total anti-ebay policy which some moderators allow to be bent. My conditions for it being bent are that the item must be a hard-to-find 60 degree part (generally, superchargers are so far the only thing I've let slide), and a full description of the item with useful pictures MUST be posted with the link so that future searches are worthwhile.
I clicked the 'Enlarge this picture' link directly above and below the picture on ebay...

If anyone followed the rule 100% 0f the time, you would not have a job. So be thankful........

I bet you will explain that 500 more times.

Though I remember you saying many times that Ebay links in any from were banned???

hmm fits 2.8 too huh

Believe me, I've got enough job security (read: problem users) that I don't need to be overly concerned with a disappearance of that particular issue.

And you're right. I generally state that ebay links are banned any time I delete an ebay link. I'm not in the habit of printing the entire rulebook for each infraction, merely the rule broken... no need to explain that there's exceptions.

Gumby, Common senee says the EBAY rule should be overruled in certain cases like this where the opportunity for someone in this TGO community to purchase a VERY RARE AND HARD TO FIND DISCONTINUED PART.

Common sense!- learn what it is and try to practice it when involved in your selfish vendetta.

hmm, tempting.


supercharge the 3.4

Honestly, this kind of supercharger project would be doable for anyone with time and patience and a willingness to learn by far too much. A spacer plate could be machined to make room between the blower and intake manifold to mount fuel rails for a PFI setup, and an elbow at the top of the blower to mount a throttle body... or my personal liking for a roots style setup, swap over to TBI using a small block or big block throttle body (470 cfm vs 670 cfm... 470 would probably result in better drivability) and a 749 2-bar map system.... small block TBI parts are a dime a dozen.. noone wants the TBs or injectors. Could be some serious fun. It's just not a weekend project.

If I didn't have all the *stuff* that I did for a MPIF turbo set up, I would buy that blower in a second for that price.

Cool!

so....they do make a super charger for the 60* motors ???



what is the retail price and where can i buy one...i like the idea of having a v6 that is faster then most v8s and i think a supercharger and headers and full cat back exhuast will do that :lala:

Tech is a fine guy, well deserving of the job. Atleast he does something. The other two mods are like ghost.


I just naturally disagree with authority. It says so on my police record. [First line.].

Its just my way to poke fun. You pick on the the ones you love the most. and your falling for me right now. I can feel it


There also are so many shades to the rules. With no real line. its to tempting when he says he wont explain it again. I know he will atleast 50 more times.

Actualy I think a super charger like this could be used like a turbo for a MPFI car.

Get any roots type of blower off ebay for anything but cheap is the key factor. There is plenty of space under the hood of a V6. Yank the AC and you have tons of room.

Ya just need to get it mounted so the belt system works well n just forget about any intake stuff. The rest is easy, sort of. Build an air cleaner for the carb side and duct the other side into the system before the maf.

Simple n easy. Getting one and mounting it will be the hard part, the ducting is easy being a dry system. It can be mounted in any way, long as the belt works.

Right.. well.. rather than start tearing into a particular couple of folks for policy criticism and serious off-topic chatter, thus extending their stay in Probation land, I just did a little spring cleaning to the thread...
This is a supercharger for the 60 degree V6. It just requires a top-mounted fuel delivery system or custom fabricated PFI setup.
............ man... that would look SO hacked... TBI/749 conversion would be so much simpler and look good too.

Blow-through MAF doesn't work with our MAFs. It would have to be before the supercharger.

A positive-displacement supercharger with no throttle body on its intake side and a throttle body on its output side would blow things apart like no tomorrow. If you managed to bulletproof the intake side, which is questionable at best, you'd only open up the possibility of generating so much boost at idle (the intact tract would reach the blower's maximum boost potential in a matter of seconds) that the blower may in fact bend the throttle blade, assuming it even idled.... and if the throttle blade did bend, you'd have a pretty brief period of time to turn the car off before the engine overrevved and blew. Simply not a good idea.

All three of use moderate in different ways. I persoanlly check the boards at least 3 times through out the day. I just choose to delete/edit threads. We all know and agree to the rules so I personally don't see a reason to post an explaination everytime I do what is expected of me.

I said ghost as you are here but don't appear very often.

Tech is the action man.

But a roots type super charger is onlly gonna be able to do 5-6psi and the stock parts and system. throtle balde or what ever should hold up well. And why cares about a hack job it if performs???

I think your turbo is fine tech but its a hack job too.

They are all hack jobs until someone like D puts together a kit with a performed parts that just bolt up.

Who cares if they're "hack" jobs so long as they make the car go faster? Make it a hack job and get it working, then start working on making it nicer.

I would think that the throttle blade would be able to withstand the pressure. I'd agree that the MAF would have to be before the supercharger. I managed to do a few more tests with my fans in my absence that I've had from the boards and have noticed better results with the fans after the MAF instead of before it. Unfortunately, I can't think of any good method of actually attaching them after the MAF for more than 5 minutes.

well i'd take techs"hackjob" over my engine anyday, if it works why not?

Neither of you appear to fathom how positive displacement superchargers work. When opened to atmosphere, that blower *WILL* pump (for example, I don't know the actual number, but it should be close) 1/8 cubic foot of air each rotation (idling at 600 RPM, this is 75 CFM on a direct drive). A throttle body is *required* on the intake side of the blower to keep the blower from sucking in this much air. If mounted open air and plumbed to the throttle body, it'll sit there and compress that 1/8 cubic foot per rotation (approx 212 cubic inches) while your engine is only using 15-30 CI of air per roration to idle... what happens to the other 180CI of air? Well, your maf has read it and dumped fuel for it, causing your motor to bog.. and if it doesn't stall, the pressure will just build in the intake tract until something breaks.

Please also note, my 'hack job' was not my idea.. it was done by a bored friend with a mig welder and alot of spare parts to a car that hasn't gotten more than 50 miles on it in the past year. IMHO, it's a complete failure of a prototype, as the hack job itself is one of the primary things that keeps me from driving the car... and it is all slowly getting replaced with quality components, and probably won't hit the road for any decent period of time until it's done.

That's what I get for thinking about 2 things at once, thanks for correcting Tech.

There is nothing wrong with your turbo job Tech. But if we went by the status quo of this board. It would be branded a waste of money hack job on a worthless V6. You know that.

I liked your turbo the best. was nice in straight forward. Function over forum. Who cares how it looks. I really liked what you did. Very similar to what I would do.


O the TB maybe your right. Well them maybe get it installed on a good angle to put the TB onto the intake side with a round scoop top. [see pic].



Should be an easier hack job , back yard, build it for nothing project.It should be easier if you can avoid the exhaust work. Much easier for those with not so many tools or a big budget. You shouldn't need a welder.


isn't there a round intake like this for the newer cars with removable tops? Could be used to work into the mix.


I wonder why they don't gear box them super chargers. Could take what power it does rob from an engine and gain twice as much or more input.

Can't call it a waste of money when I didn't really spend anything on it

It is an ugly hack job. Its function is as bad as its form. It doesn't route exhaust gas nearly as efficiently as it should, which is why I call it a hack job. Done properly it would probably spool before 3000 rpm

so tech how about a picture

Of my setup? See signature.

alright ill have to look at it later because right now im in school and they block it

tech do you know when my probation is up

i really want to edit my sig

hows that car run with the turbo......do you like the taillgihts on your 305 cause i prefer the grid

So what do you think is the problem with spool on your Tech???

The turbo is to close and not enough pressure build to spool it up???

camarors8992, normally I'd just delete your request for knowing when your probation is up and PM you, but being that this is the third time you've asked, I'm just going to say I'm about ready to extend it for being pestered to death when you've had a probable date since day one!!! Knock it off or re-read your PMs!

And it hauls like mad... even at only 5 psi... .... once it spools

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The poor spool is caused by the bends in the exhaust being adverse to smooth flow. Pressure alone does not spool turbochargers, velocity and heat do.

EDIT: (4 months later) Also, it helps when all 6 cylinders are firing. It appears I've been driving for a year on 5...

Major factors for spool time:
A: The closer the turbocharger is to the head, the less manifold volume must be pressurized.
B: The closer to the head, the less heat loss.
C: The smaller the manifold pipes, the less volume must be pressurized.
D: The smaller the manifold pipes, the higher the exhaust velocity.
E: The more perfect the bends, the less restriction, the higher velocity.

I can't really get the turbo closer, so A and B are as good as they get... but C/D/E need serious work.. like a whole new pair of manifolds and crossover pipe. And they can be coated or wrapped to help reduce heat loss. Alot of work to be done

sry bout that

I've got positive boost here @ 1950 rpm, 5 psi @ 2100 rpm, and 12psi by 2500 rpm on the kit here... Not too bad for a street car

i dont think that kit will work with fuel injection

Ive been pondering the "axle back" turbo setup. An odd configuration, and some boost lag, but I make enough torque under 3000 rpm to make up for it. With that configuration, you don't need an intercooler. I wouldn't need to build hedders for the turbo either (the oes I have cost me too much to change to somthing else). I guess the trick is to buy a faster spooling turbo to take avantage? I dunno, I'm researching it, we'll see.

18 hours left and still no bid.

If I didn't have to worry about smog checks I'd pick this thing up in a heartbeat. Its killing me not to buy it.

how much extra hp do you think you will pick up from a turbo ?

I'm hoping for 80-90 extra hp.

thats almost a 50% increase in power...:hail:

how about some pictures of your setup

Yep, anything to avoid exhaust work is good. Id easily give up part of the back seat for a turbo. closer is better. few inches past the cat.

True, but I don't mind lag, that's what nitrous is for . I was looking at how they set them up, nothing to it really. The only prob is the MAF.....I have no clue how to change to "blow-through" style MAF. I would have to like, elongate the maf harness and stash the sensor itself somewhere safe from water etc. I don't drive in the rain anyhow thouhg, No AC in Texas with rain isn't advisable (lol). As soon as I figure out where to stash the MAF and find a nice oil pump on sale that can handle 200+ degrees, I'm going for it (I can get a turbo from a 2.3 Volvo cheap). If I can make 5 psi boost, I'll be happy. I guess I'd have to make the piping out of aluminum or steel tubing going to the TB, but that would be super easy.

I am in favor of a hack job as long as like you say, 5-6 psi is gained.

If I was gonna do the rear mounted turbo. Id give up say the right rear back seat position. Build a box for the turbo and pipes ducts. Just enough room so nothing was close to scraping ground. Then just build a speaker box or something over it. [drown out the spool sound easier if you want to jam out]

Not needing a inter cooler helps. Long as you keep the piping in air flow. Could route air in from a roof scoop? Or maybe side scoops in some ground effects. stock MAF can handle 5-6psi and is weather proof. Well it has to be. If there was a problem mine would be long gone. I suck water n snow with my ram air though the car has never shown a sign that it gave a crap.

If one could short from rain n what not, mine would of went long ago.

Searching Yahoo and Google I dig this old post up I have one of these blowers I bought many many years ago on ebay. I am having problems with blowing the belt of the pully. It keeps coming off at the belt tensior pully on the left side and then throws it up on the snout. I am looking for some Ideas to keep this from doing it. Can anyone verify that the pulley with the spring in it goes on the passanger side and the fixed one on the driverside. I am looking for ideas.