V6Discussion and questions about the base carbureted or MPFI V6's and the rare SFI Turbo V6.
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I forgot to mention that I got a tubular K member,Tubular controll arms and the coil-over conversion kit from PA Performance. It's already installed. Took 85lbs off the front and gave me even more room.
The car did start life as a 2.8L with auto.
That's what the sticker in the left corner of the bumper reads still. 2.8L MPFI Lol.
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__________________ 10.32@133mph on 93oct. through the mufflers on a Drag Radial Tire. with 17psi.
Hot Rod Drag week 09 "Quickest Six" award!
Yep... it's only a V6.
Last edited by UR50SLO; 03-24-2008 at 11:19 AM.
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Hehe I love coupes. Aside from the wheels/tires and clean paint it's quite the sleeper too... I like it!
Being a mod isn't all fun and games... Been there, done that. It's a constant job, you always have to be aware of whats going on in the forum and lock, delete, warn, ban, as necessary. You can't ever please everyone. I don't really miss being a moderator on this forum.
The Buick engine swap can be done relitively inexpensive if you do the work yourself and buy a complete "good" running engine/trans.
Your best to research these two sites: www.turbobuick.com www.turbobuicks.com
In the "Hybrid" section. Alot of good info already posted and good fellas that
like to help like I do.
I'm now doing alot more custom turbo installs on 97+ Camaro/FB's with the factory 3.8L The engine is more than stout in stock forum to handle 15-20psi tuned right.
Finishing one right now in my shop. Headers that I made go out to powder coat today. HPTuners supports 97+ V6 Camaro engines. It's the right way to program a turbo car.
Be glad to help if you go this route~
~Scott
__________________ 10.32@133mph on 93oct. through the mufflers on a Drag Radial Tire. with 17psi.
Hot Rod Drag week 09 "Quickest Six" award!
Yep... it's only a V6.
I don't have any problems with V8's now....
This thread didn't say anything about the V6 having to be the factory one did it?
3.8L Buick GN V6 with a few engineering tweaks (obviously)
Last year with tight converter poor launch went 11.16@123mph on 93oct. 18psi.
This year with stroker crank,6.3" rods.. Roller cam and converter re-stalled I should have no problems with 10.50's on 93oct. and all I want is 9.9999 on race fuel one time
~Scott
I saw your car in anather thread a while back and was in awe then.....Awsome build
Last edited by grimmcs; 03-24-2008 at 05:24 PM.
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Your best to research these two sites: www.turbobuick.com www.turbobuicks.com
In the "Hybrid" section. Alot of good info already posted and good fellas that
like to help like I do.
Scott, where do you run? We had a pretty good turn out last Friday night w/some of the guys from TurboBuicks.com over by e-town, do you run in the same area as the MAGNA members (cecil, Atco, e-town etc.)? If so, we're prolly headed back there this Friday night....
-Rob
__________________ 1990 Trans Am GTA: Original 305 w/T-76, 11.52 @ 115-mph, Low Boost Run....
I'm all the way in Indiana... Close to South Bend. (top center of state)
Still snow on ground here.
Hope to have the short block here in a few weeks.
Heads have problems.. (old Champion castings) Hope Tom down at Champion can repair them or I might be screwd. New ones are 2500.00 and can't get a set for awhile due to casting shortage.
I'm going to keep optimistic.
~Scott
my 4.3 v6 truck can take a 305 powered truck, and a 318 powered 01 dodge 1500. i know theyre not thirdgens but thought i'd share lol since my v6 can beat a weak v8. gets good gas mileage for a gas truck too
__________________ '91 C1500-Long bed reg cab "baby blue", 4.3 4L60 Daily Driver
'91 Full Size Blazer, 350 4L60 50000 miles all highway-immaculate
'79 Z28-355 LT1, fuel injection, 700r4, summer DD
my 4.3 v6 truck can take a 305 powered truck, and a 318 powered 01 dodge 1500. i know theyre not thirdgens but thought i'd share lol since my v6 can beat a weak v8. gets good gas mileage for a gas truck too
I can't count how many stock TBI 4.3 trucks my stock Q-Jet fed 305 in my Van ran away from.
depends on what v6 and what v8. i know that my father's 96 t/a scares the hell outta me. ive been in my own v8's and others, but LT1's and newer generation engines are just stupid fast.
I know my grocery getter (92 RS 3.1) put a few sneaky beatings on some cars of greater displacement. I also know, that more than one of those was due to driving skill, and had my opponent been of comparable gray matter(BRAIN) I would have been beaten. Now days she is a slow cruiser, I leave the but kickin to the 91.
I have put the smack down on many a v8 everyone knows i have a v6 i have the sign on the hood under the firebird icon and on the sides but waht they don't see is the 12 pounds of bottled kick *** in the back and the magic button that powers it on the dash lol i made many a v8 eat my dust and sometime eat a blown head gasket or two lol
I can tell you for sure that my lightly modded (without NOS) '92 3.1 5speed Firebird will easily smoke my '75 3spd auto Firebird with a stock 455 V8 off the line! The huge 455 with Auto Trans takes too long to catch up.
I have a '89 firebird that has beat a mustang gt . I took it off the line then when i hit third it started going pass me so i dropped back to second and wheel hopped and passed the stang and won. Max speed from stoplight to stoplight was around 95-100 mph and distance was a little over a quarter mile. I was running a rear lift with tires that were i think 12in wide and 30 or so inches high and my timeing was really advanced . And yes it is a stock 2.8.
Hey Drew. I sat here reading and reading over and over. I have have a 3.1 RS Stick shift Camaro, I love it and enjoy what I have for a stock car. During the take off I seem to be ahead and next thing you know they pass me lol. Drew you just gave me ideas for my Baby...thank you for the info and knowledge !!!
I have yet to race a 6 cyl camaro that didn't end up with rubber on their windshield and a beautiful *** to look at.
i believe someone said something about beating the v8 off the line in his 6, unless you got some serious mods, 90 - 140 horsepower is not gonna beat 145- 215 hp v8 with 255 ft lbs's
i've done it before. my buddy has an old '86 Firebird with a 305 TBI, i've held dead even with him to 80mph. granted, his car wasn't running perfectly, it needed a tune up. after 80mph, he'd slowly start inching away.
oh and btw, whoever said that a 3.1 3rd gen was 3700lbs needs to put the crack pipe down. mine weighed in at 3321lbs with me in it, and i'm 202lbs.
Well I can say that some LO3 cars are an easy target, but my car's not stock either. The motor is though!
__________________ Out with the old and in with the new...
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RIP 2.8 of death. 200 shot of N20 with 10psi from a T3 and a nitrous backfire finally killed it, see the latest on project 2.8 MUST DIEhere.
Ok I know a modified V6 can go fast but I have a LO3 5speed 3.08 and its not as slow off the line as the auto's, well maybe if you consider 3k clutch dumps and a peg leg burn out till it finally hooks.
If anyone thinks im trying to flame but I have a firebird with a 3.4 and I have had several 60v6 cars and I know what they are capable of. I am just sticking up for the LO3 as being the "slight" upgrade to a v6.
Yea, and I can only pick on heavily optioned, undergeared (2.73) L03's with my slightly upgraded v6- and only for so long. It's all over after the first 60 feet. But I can still say I jumped 'em off the line.
__________________ Out with the old and in with the new...
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RIP 2.8 of death. 200 shot of N20 with 10psi from a T3 and a nitrous backfire finally killed it, see the latest on project 2.8 MUST DIEhere.
Wow, there's alot of L03 bashing in here. I PROMISE you there's not a single NON TURBO'D V6 in here that I wouldn't destroy. But I'm a bit far from "stock". Hell my V8 car weighs less than most the V6er's in here. It's all in how well the car is taken care of. I know when my car was stock, luckily the engine at the time only had 15,000 on it when I got it. so it was FAR from tired. I was CRUSHING my friends 3.1 stick car, (and many other R.I.C.E.R.S) spinning all the way through first gear. ( Peg leg can kiss my a$$).
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Future plans are a Edelbrock RPM intake, 46mm Xtremefi TBI, ZZ4 cam, Ported ZZ4 heads and an EDGE 3200 stall going in after I learn how to tune.
Check out my Cardomain!!! The Future Ultimate source for TBI performance. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3869220
I don't have any problems with V8's now....
This thread didn't say anything about the V6 having to be the factory one did it?
3.8L Buick GN V6 with a few engineering tweaks (obviously)
Last year with tight converter poor launch went 11.16@123mph on 93oct. 18psi.
This year with stroker crank,6.3" rods.. Roller cam and converter re-stalled I should have no problems with 10.50's on 93oct. and all I want is 9.9999 on race fuel one time
~Scott
WOW your car is amazing I love the look. That is a god of Third Gens.
my daily driver/ tinker car is a 1999 Buick Regal LS with a GS supercharger on it, pulley, de screened MAF, and a sweet little cold air will put the 5.0's and 4.6's to shame, well most of em. Not a third gen but it is a V6
UR50SLO all I can say is wow, nicely done. I love the engine compartment
Mine has a bunch of old stock junk under the hood but there wasnt much out there back when I was building it 8-10 years ago. It's gone 10.50 at 128mph on racegas at 27psi and 3640lbs and 11.06 @ 120mph on Shell 93 at 18psi and the current 3510lbs. One of these days I'll get to pulling the engine and replacing the stock crank and rods with a forged setup so I can feel better about twisting it some, right now I shift at 5K and tune it to keep the motor below 6K through the lights.
__________________ 1998 Trans Am - 12.71@109.45 bolt ons
1989 TTA #124, Cloth/T-Top FOR SALE
UR50SLO all I can say is wow, nicely done. I love the engine compartment
Mine has a bunch of old stock junk under the hood but there wasnt much out there back when I was building it 8-10 years ago. It's gone 10.50 at 128mph on racegas at 27psi and 3640lbs and 11.06 @ 120mph on Shell 93 at 18psi and the current 3510lbs. One of these days I'll get to pulling the engine and replacing the stock crank and rods with a forged setup so I can feel better about twisting it some, right now I shift at 5K and tune it to keep the motor below 6K through the lights.
Thanks, sorry if I wasnt more personable yesterday but was trying to concentrate on making sure it was tuned right, it hadnt been to the track in a while and I wanted to make sure it would get me home lol
Yeah, that's the first thing I said to Paul when we seen you leave the track yesterday to go home, we thought you were driving home on a full slick at first lol. Posted a video of your car in the F/S thread, might as well attach here so others can check it out as well. BTW nice pics, let me know if you need an A/C delete box w/blower motor and wiring harness. Bought one a month ago, but I'm not going to use it....
Thanks for the video's do you think you can amail me them when you get a chance TTA850@optonline.net Thanks in advance
After Sat I was thinking about putting heat back in but right now have so many things projects in the works I just dont have the time. Let me know how much your looking for though
Thanks for the video's do you think you can amail me them when you get a chance TTA850@optonline.net Thanks in advance
After Sat I was thinking about putting heat back in but right now have so many things projects in the works I just dont have the time. Let me know how much your looking for though
Steve
Sorry for the late response, I'll send them over tonight....
UR50SLO all I can say is wow, nicely done. I love the engine compartment
Mine has a bunch of old stock junk under the hood but there wasnt much out there back when I was building it 8-10 years ago. It's gone 10.50 at 128mph on racegas at 27psi and 3640lbs and 11.06 @ 120mph on Shell 93 at 18psi and the current 3510lbs. One of these days I'll get to pulling the engine and replacing the stock crank and rods with a forged setup so I can feel better about twisting it some, right now I shift at 5K and tune it to keep the motor below 6K through the lights.
That's where I was... worried about busting my crank and taking out a good running stock block.
Well.. it turned out great last year and ran a full second better than I thought it would.
I ended up going 10.32@133mph on 93oct pump gas at 17-18psi.
On a 6lb foot brake launch. (1.51 60')
I'm changing a few things here this spring to get 9.90's on 93oct.
Honestly I only wanted 10.90's on 93 but my first shake down pass went 10.71@131mph.
I had 3:50 gears in it last year and at the 1000ft mark I was letting up since my shift light was on at 6000rpm.
So... I got 3:25's here ready to go in for duty.
Glass hood and I put a steering rack in last fall.(but after final time at StantonMI.)
I remember your bird from the GMHTP article.
I can duplicate the IC pipes again if your interested!
Take care,
Scott
__________________ 10.32@133mph on 93oct. through the mufflers on a Drag Radial Tire. with 17psi.
Hot Rod Drag week 09 "Quickest Six" award!
Yep... it's only a V6.
i beat my mom's "77 Camaro by about half a car lol 305 bored over by .30 and eldebrock 4bbl carb. with my pretty stock 2.8 only thing not stock is cheapy off brand exhaust prevous owner had put in i wanna complte magna flow
Actually now that I think about it, the in-law's RS has a quadrajet.
Dont want to hurt your feelings but I had a 85 Trans Am with a Q-Jet and I got beat by a HHR LT with two blonde chicks inside laughing thier rear ends off. I caved and bought a GTA 350 after that, and im still not happy. My 350 is just barely faster than a stock mustang with a 6, and im not even on the radar of a new Camaro.
But I love the V-6 Boards, you guys are pushed to make more from less (literally). I honestly think some of the best ideas for the thirdgens come from you guys. Keep up the good work!
Last edited by F-Body Demon; 05-15-2009 at 08:58 AM.
Scott,I could stare at those engine pics allllllll day long!!!.....NICE car!!....BILL
Thanks! Still a work in progress.
Buddy get's deals on stereo stuff so He got me a touch screen dvd single sub and amp. Watching movies when driving is cool! Sounds like a theater in there!
I'm entered in Hot Rod's "Drag Week" 5 tracks in 5 days.. no trailers/support cars. 800-1200mi. Just hope to not have a .30ct part take me out.
Here is some pic's with the low cowl hood.
~Scott.
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