an offer was made to me last night to sell my kit to a company who wants to mass produce my kit.the company is looking to expand there line to the domestic market and wants to do a v6 camaro and v6 mustang kit. now im unsure if i want to sell my kit to these guys.ive still got to find out just what there offering.what do u guys think? should i sell the kit to them and let them produce the kit or should i say no and keep it

get a lawyer & have them look over the offer.

Are you kidding? Sell it! Have them put something down up front to show good faith (remember, your time is money), get the legal business agreement drawn up, notarized, w/you getting a small percentage for every unit sold thereafter. Have some business sense for crying out loud, will ya already lol....

^ BTW, you do have a patent, do you not? If not, there is nothing stopping them from stealing the idea, so be sure to establish a patent as soon as you can....

i just talked to my uncle over at the shop to get a good idea of what they would be worth to sell the design.so im gonna find out just what there offering me.i do have to make a few slight modifications to the headers to make them truley bolt on.but if they put up a nice enough offer looks like the 3rdgen v6 community will have a nice mass produced kit available,way cheaper then an of use could one off these things

Wait what is your kit? what kind of kit is it?
Other than that like the guy above me said get a patent or they'll rip it from under your feet. Make sure you get a big down payment and then a bit of money for everyone that sells just incase it goes under.

of course it will be revised slightly to allow for more of a bolt on install and to accomodate the larger t4 turbo

this is as good as done !!!!!!!!, they have a few things they want changed,that i had mentioned .so tom i will start building the new kit to send out cause they sure as hell aint getting my 316/321 headers lol, im sending them a kit built out of mild steel,and they are going to produce it in 321 stainless,this is going to be a full bolton kit. i hope this does some good for the 3rdgen v6 community we will deff find out

ok guys its time to speak up let me knwo what u want in the kit,after talking to the guys im making a few changes to the above pictures headers

#1 the turbo location is being moves out twards the battery tray/strut tower, and the inlet will be pointed twards the front of the car to allow retention of the heater core hoses, and no need to modify the upper rad hoses on a 2.8

#2 the crossover tube will be getting some minor changes, vbands instead of 3 bolt flanges and its path will be slightly altered

the base kits will be offered with a 61mm turbo i do believe what size piping would u guys like to see what size intercoolers?

the downpipes will be 3 inch and hook to a stock catback


im also working out some sort of fuel management solution and a bundled megasquirt system may very well go with these kits.were trying to come up with a complete kit that requires lil to no modifications to fit them.complete means all plumbing oil/cold and hot pipes, turbo,inter cooler and bov,couplers etc


remember im building the one off kit based off my current kit,so any input u guys give me towards the kit will be used,this is a great chance for the v6 community to get some kits together

the same company im doing htis for is also going to be doing a v6 mustang kit

What about hood clearance?

And, I'm assuming it'll work with the 3.4l I'm putting in there?

By the way..this sounds awesome!
Everyone's right about the patent idea, though..
By the time the kit comes out I should be ready for it!

You should include a list of modifications needed to the engine to be able to handle the boost, though.(or not..it would just be helpful, I suppose)

these kits will bolt to 2.8.3.1/3.4 swaps,and should fit top end swap motors as well cant tell u that for sure or not till after i get the new kit tacked up and swap to the aluminum heads and try to bolt it all back together. if it fits the aluminum heads the flanges will have bot bolt patterns

hood clearence is not an issue this fits under a stock hood no problem,boost depends on the tune i saw over 18 psi on a factory 2.8,detonate it though and ur gonna ruin ur day in a hurry

So it's not going to be a true "bolt on" since the end user still has to tune the car?

What's the point of doing it "bolt on" style unless it's basically plug and play?

there goal is to offer some sort of fuel management solution with it,they want this to be a total complete kit,the problem is they cant take into account for existing mods.cam port work etc.just liek any supercharger kit etc that u would buy comes with some means to tune but is mostly limited to stock motors.im gonna try to work with them to come up with the most complete solution for everyone.there goal is somone take the kit start on a friday night,and by sunday they are back on the road.

im trying to get them to go with megasquirt solution with some sort of premade harness.but each thing these guys add to the kit will also raise the price.but it should be a very affordable kit,ive seen the prices they have on there other stuff and it is by no means expensive

ill keep u guys posted as to whats gonna go one with this,not only am i doing the hot side plumbing for them,im doing the full cold side and intercooler mounting, which means 2 diff kits for camaro/firebirds,(diff intercooler setups)

i will know more on monday

btw guys this is the time to speak up idea suggestions u are the guys that they want to sell to so they are taking my desgin as i send to them bolt it to there test car to see if they want any changes then reproduce the kits,

Holy hell. I wish I had resources/knowledge to do that kind of stuff, lol.

nice job on getting the kit mass produced soon
another reason to dust off the credit card

QUICK!! Go to Legalzoom.com and get a 'patent pending' on the design, or at least a copyright. I came up with an invention and it took less than 6 weeks from initial application to filing with the US Patent Office.
The sooner you get started, the further out in from you will be and the sooner you will be protected! Good luck and let us know 1) when the kit will be available, 2) what it will COST and 3) if it will be SMOG LEGAL!

Trying to patent a turbo setup for a car is about a waste of time, a turbo is nothing new, he will spend more money than he'll gain by wasting the money trying.

Sorry, but for some reasonI don't see this actually going very far.

Having a basic bolt on turbo for sale, complete with basic Fuel Managment for it, is one thing, but having to change an entire harness/ecu to do it is actually beyond the capabilities of most of the people who will purchase the kit.

If people actually had the motovation to go ahead and swap all that stuff, then there would be no need for the kit because they would be inclined enough to just go ahead and do it themselves.

To really be able to make this something that is worth mass-producing and sellable to the general public, it has to be easy to install, able to use as many of the stock components as possible (minimizing teardown/build time), and be cost effective.

If you decide to try to sell this with a complete engine managment system, the price and install time is going to be too high to be realistic. Almost all turbo/supercharger systems I have seen that are true bolt-on, have a Vacuum/boost operated FMU and an upgraded fuel pump.

That's another thing that you have to take into account, the ability of 90% of people to be able to drop the tank and install a new fuel pump.

Maybe this has something to do with the fact that nothing has been really mass-produced for the V6 f-bodies that are at least 16 years old. A lot of people talk it up, but most people won't buy one, there isn't a real demand for it.

That being said, congrats on the opprotunity, I do hope something works out for you, I just hopethat you don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Everybody's a critic! If there is something unique about this setup- unique enough for a company to want to buy it rather than just 'knock off' their own, then it may be worth looking into...

It cost me less than $500 to get a 'patent pending' and that buys me a year of protection before a formal patent needs to be filed- JUST AN IDEA!

a megasquirt controling fuel only is plug and play if it comes with a premade harness,if i handed u a megasquirt fully assembled with a premade harness to connect to the fuel injectors 1 wire for tach signal and one wire for colant temp sensor,and u cant install that,u have no busniess trying to install a turbo kit.fmu's are fine and dandy iits already been shown stock pumps will goto around 10 psi hell a maf setup dosent even need fuel management under 8 psi.everything is being looked at as a whole by these guys to offer the best possible kit.right now noone knows for sure what it will all include what i do know for sure is the kits most deff will be headers,crossover,vbands,turbo,3 inch downpie to connect to factory ex systems,full cold side plumbing,all oil feed and drain lines,wastegate,gaskets ,fuel control and whatnot will be added on wether its a megasquirt solution or fmu based etc everythign is being looked at ill have more answers/specifics come monday

The more I think about it, the more I see your point. It wouldn't be too realistic to design a complete turbo kit for the 60 degree V6 family, as there are too many factors that need to be addressed, factors in which the average member here, or anywhere else for that matter, are simply not ready to encounter. ECM modifications, and/or fuel pump replacement is easy for us members who are a tad more experienced, but I can only imagine the nightmares that lie in wait for some of the newbies who are screaming "build it, build it", while their projects sit in the garage for months, motionless, asking for constant help. It might be more feasible as a partial kit for the DIY'er. I mean, I'm sure there is a reason why BBS, as well as the others, never really offered a full blown kit in the first place....

I would say go ahead and build it and sell it. Although I dont see it going very far for the company. Like said before, for most people this is out of their range of ability. And because of the average miles that these cars have now, I see a lot of blown engines...because most people wont do anything internal. Just slap it on and turn up the boost.
But hey, for you its an opportunity to get money and your name out there. Id jump all over it.

One question...Will/does this kit allow you to keep your A/C? I cant tell if there is room under the driver header.

Not only that, but then there's the question of a possible STB clearing the up and over header as well? Just something additional to consider for the buyers who might want that option....

IMO this kit should be setup in stages. Like a 300hp stage 1, 400hp stage 2 ect. I would like to see just a simple program you would upload in a '7730 ecm. The kit should come with all your to make a 300hp car. Note I know how difficult it is to get 300-400hp out of a stock 60* just an example. It should come with injectors, cam, all stuff you need something somewhat user friendly. If you don't make it a little user friendy you just limit your customers, just my 2 cents Dave.

Not going to sell well in the south if people have to lose A/C.

If I still had a v6 and cash. I would like the ability to buy just the pipes as I dont have a welder for that.

As for the fuel management. You could offer chips with them that are tuned a little on the safe side.

stage kits with cams is not gonna happen this i can tell u already,this would just be to costly

i really doubt a stb is going to clear but its something ill look into
the plan is to keep ac but it may not work out that way,im gong to bolt my ac compressor back on and see if it all clears and if not the headers will be modified if possible to make it clear
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im working with them to see what can be offered chips would be a nice idea but could possible drive the price of the kits up,i have a general idea of what there doing/want and im waiting on more info from them today.by monday i should be able to lay out more specifics of what they will be offering.

as far as just pipe kits i would think they would be offering them as well i never asked though.

X2 on the pipe kit.

X3

If it ends up NOT getting mass produced...

How much would you charge to make one for me, at least?

will not be one offing these kits,see that set of headers,thats about 700$'s worth of 316l stainless material without any fab work.the cost would just be to high.not to mention the amount of time it takes,i just dont have the time even to make them out of mild steel to bring the cost way down.

but i have finalized my deal with the company kits should be available for purchase by late summer

I'm not holding my breath.

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I think i just spotted something. project89 is a new member, he has a light blue thirdgen. Now, remember a guy named 12secondv6dave, I have a feeling this is him and he signed up under a new account. Idea looks good, seems kind of fishy that your gonna sell your idea and you dont have a patten for it. Honestly theres not many thirdgen v6 people out there to buy this product to make it even worth to mass produce. Most thirdgen v6 owners are looking into V8 swaps, espically LSx swaps. third gen are basically 20 years old and they are coming out with a new product for it. . I think making this setup for the new Pontiac G8 would be a great success but not a thirdgen V6.

Took you a while..... He had already talked about how he forgot his password and changed his email.

I think it is a success to have a company want to buy a design off of you in general...Than if you get a payout for every one sold, thats even better. This may not make the company or Dave millions...but a sale and making more than went into it, is a success (to me at least).