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Old 07-30-2008, 07:45 PM   #51
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damn 4th @6500 that pass my redline -.-
do u have a rev-limit?
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lucky with your manual trans -.- you have a 2.8 i guess
I wish i could get my car up to that speed lol going nowhere super fast
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lucky with your manual trans -.- you have a 2.8 i guess
I wish i could get my car up to that speed lol going nowhere super fast
i have a 3.5.. not a 2.8



same engine family, just a few generations later.
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i have a 3.5.. not a 2.8



same engine family, just a few generations later.

Is that the stock rpm limit for the 3500? Pretty far up there, I4 territory.
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u can spin any of the v6 motors up that high though a stock 2.6/3.1/3.4 wont make it that high.ive posted the data logs of mine going to 7,400 or 7,600 rpms,its just gota be able to breathe up that high and make useable power.otherwise theres no reason to even try
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yea. i know i have gotten my camaro with a 5 speed up to 120mph @ 4700 and i had to stop do to traffic. my speedo went back to 20 mph or something around there hahaha good thing for gps :-D
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lol u had them old 80 or 75 mph gauges lol . i guess just becasue the numbers not there then no one will go pass it lol
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Ive gotten my 2.8 to 120 lol its funny how the speedometer only goes to 85
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do urself a favor ifu get an achor brand replacement mount from ur local parts store dont even bother installing it, the rubber is very soft and the mount tears with only moderate abuse.if u can deal with the vibrations from a poly mount go for the energy suspension mount,ull never bust a trans mount again.
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do urself a favor ifu get an achor brand replacement mount from ur local parts store dont even bother installing it, the rubber is very soft and the mount tears with only moderate abuse.if u can deal with the vibrations from a poly mount go for the energy suspension mount,ull never bust a trans mount again.
was that to me? and if so thanks i keep breaking mine, and where could i get the poly mount, and how much vibrations? could i just make one out of metal? cuz my uncle has a shop where he does metal fab. ?
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mmm i wonder if a firebird or a z28 iroc would hold up at 145 even 130,
i know my car was screaming and so was everyone on the road that night

COME ON MORE STORIES TAKE IT TO THE LIMIT
91 formula LB9 5 speed. Buried the 140 mph speedo in 5th with the rpms at 4600 and the stock 3.42 rear end. She was smooth as silk and did not take long at all to get there. I shifter from 4th to 5th at about 110 -115 mph. The car did not come with a speed limiter or a rev limiter from the factory. So the right 3rd gen firebird or camaro in stock form will do 150 without a problem.

I used to have a slightly modified 3.1l 1990 firebird a long time ago, and I have easily hit the speed limiter between 115 and 120. The car had more in it. To get it to shift in OD at that speed, you need to let off the gas slightly to let the tranny shift, and then apply gentle pressure on the gas so it doesn't downshift and she will do fine. I would estimate that a healthy 3.1L without the limiter will top out around 125 - 130 mph.
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u can spin any of the v6 motors up that high though a stock 2.6/3.1/3.4 wont make it that high.ive posted the data logs of mine going to 7,400 or 7,600 rpms,its just gota be able to breathe up that high and make useable power.otherwise theres no reason to even try
Hopefully not on the stock rods... the pre-3500 rods are only rated for 7K RPM from GM.. lol


they haven't given the 3500 and newer rods a RPM limit yet, but they're forged powdered metal so should hold to 7500+ I don't plan on finding out though.
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-.- now u tell me omg i took 4 hours to get the hell rusted bolts out damn it o well Im going have to change them after that 100 shots goes in their pray i only break a tran mount
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I love this all the people that went out just to see how fast they can go that's what it's about live on the edge and push it to the limit ok let change it up a bit mmmm longest burnouts come on ppl smoke them tire even pop them let see how long u go 'one wheel wonder'


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Y'all V6's must SUCK

95? 110? 115?
are we serious?

I hit 115 daily on the way to work, and I have so much left.

Im putting mine at about 140-150,, with the gearing to go 200+ if I had
the power.

at 110, Im just over 3000RPM in OD
at 115 its just starting to pull hard
at 125 i usually back off b/c i am not on a track
and do not want to loose my privilege.
But that lasar/radar scanner comes in handy.

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and a worked 'silver bullet' (transgo shift kit, kevlar, corvete alum. servo etc.)
transmission from TCC on ebay.
and corvette 2250 stall
I also have new suspension (gr2's and moog springs)
UMI panhard/ LCA's / wonderbar
not that those would really make any diff here, but just laying it all out.
If you wanna call my Rapid fire delco plugs, and my bosch wires a mod, ok


Keep in mine my engine is in really good shape and fully tuned up.

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Kuker, I assume you have a v6 in a 3rd gen? Not a 4th? 3.8's and 350's can stfu and stay out of our threads if they are only going to bash.

And I really don't see 140 possible with an iron head V6. I like the 3500 though! Awesome speed to hit, I wonder how it will change with wind resistance added Sweet engine, way better than the RWD stuff. Burnout video? That would be awesome! I'll have to do both tires though.
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It's not about how fast you can go.. any POS can do 100+..


It's about how fast you can get there.


lets see.. i'm going 0-106 in 13 flat
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Y'all V6's must SUCK

95? 110? 115?
are we serious?

I hit 115 daily on the way to work, and I have so much left.

Im putting mine at about 140-150,, with the gearing to go 200+ if I had
the power.

at 110, Im just over 3000RPM in OD
at 115 its just starting to pull hard
at 125 i usually back off b/c i am not on a track
and do not want to loose my privilege.
But that lasar/radar scanner comes in handy.

Only mods to the car are Moroso Procoil F
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transmission from TCC on ebay.
and corvette 2250 stall
I also have new suspension (gr2's and moog springs)
UMI panhard/ LCA's / wonderbar
not that those would really make any diff here, but just laying it all out.
If you wanna call my Rapid fire delco plugs, and my bosch wires a mod, ok


Keep in mine my engine is in really good shape and fully tuned up.
Only way you're getting 140-150 is with different gearing. You say you've got some trans from "TCC on ebay", so maybe you do. And the top gear would have to be damn tall. But there's no way the stock engine RPM limit, trans, rear end and wheel size can go that fast. mathematically impossible.

I love when people try and make claims that aren't possible.
Oh, and you're awesome for doing 115+ daily, we all wish we could endanger ourselves and others so often. I'm not one to complain about people speeding, but 115mph everyday is a bit much.

I won't believe you can hit even 140mph unless I at least see a video. Which you won't provide as you can't go that fast. Keep believing what you want, but anyone with half a brain knows it's BS.
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gearing says you can, the hand of god near 200 will have a big say.

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Ive done atleast 120 and it wasn't that hard, as its always some kid on the eway in some 90s FWD car and I stick with em side by side like Im trying, looking over doing movie shots, till they hit the speed limiter and fall behind quickly. And thats 110-115 in most cars.

But I do the excat same thing to them in my big Buick V8 wagon.
Stab it hard and watch em get more annoyed that they can't pass a 4ton pig.
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Only way you're getting 140-150 is with different gearing. You say you've got some trans from "TCC on ebay", so maybe you do. And the top gear would have to be damn tall. But there's no way the stock engine RPM limit, trans, rear end and wheel size can go that fast. mathematically impossible.

I love when people try and make claims that aren't possible.
Oh, and you're awesome for doing 115+ daily, we all wish we could endanger ourselves and others so often. I'm not one to complain about people speeding, but 115mph everyday is a bit much.

I won't believe you can hit even 140mph unless I at least see a video. Which you won't provide as you can't go that fast. Keep believing what you want, but anyone with half a brain knows it's BS.

lol keep them coming ppl i will soon post my video on youtube i just need to edit it and make it shorter
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no im not going to do 140 because there no tracks around here to do it
and im not doing it on the highway.

Id have to drive to englishtown which is hours and hours away

I have the gearing to do it no problem,
Feels like i have the power to, at 125 its still going strong.

it feels as steady and stable at 125 as it does at 55

I have the gearing to do 200+ but i dont have the power, if i had turbo and
nitrous yes.

and its a 1988 with a 2.8 and 120k
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there are more tracks in the world then englishtown and even if u lived in south jeresy or upper north it will take about and hour maybe 2 if traffic
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I live about an hour north of NYC

know any tracks?
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Dirt ovals that arent open to the public anyway arent going
to help me meng, espec when they only 1/8 - 1/4 mile

I live near the middle town one,, all they do is oval track cars on
that a few times a year.
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Dirt ovals that arent open to the public anyway arent going
to help me meng, espec when they only 1/8 - 1/4 mile

I live near the middle town one,, all they do is oval track cars on
that a few times a year.
are u talking about a race track because on a race track you wouldn't even get to 80 before having to brake at a turn and these car don't turn on a dime
and even if u hit a 100 you would be take off for safe no roll cage, fire suit, and a stock car yea no way you could hit 140 on a track oval track ur side into the wall on street tires
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gearing says you can, the hand of god near 200 will have a big say.

15 inch tires
t5 gears 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 .63
rear end 3.42

peak rpm 5500/6000 redline

5500 rpm
48 mph 1st
74 mph 2nd
107 mph 3rd
143 mph 4th
227 mph 5th
Well slap me silly.
Still, doubt the little 6 has enough power to get to 140, let alone 150.
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140 should be possiable with the room to rev out 4th.
Long as you get to redline in each gear.

redline in 1-3 isn't that hard.
running up to redline in 1-2 goes quick.

Plenty of gearing and HP but beating the air will depend. headwind, cross wind. tail wind, sure you could easily find out by looking up slat flat run. They got a record for every car made, lots of stock classes.

I feel like maybe I got an edge now, with my new hatch, air noticable flows over the car faster/easier. I know cause before I never had bird problems. But now I am having to brake ever time as the bird can't seem to get out of the air streem like before. Big and little birds, don't matter, they get pulled down just barley getting away. I never had that happen before, they always broke free and wern't about to eat shield. Even if I sped up
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Well slap me silly.
Still, doubt the little 6 has enough power to get to 140, let alone 150.
everything looks good on paper
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I just read through this entire post. I still hold the record. I posted a few years back....

123mph on a closed circuit road course (California speedway 2.8mile circuit)

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138 max speed downhill with the wind behind her.

2.8 with auto trans and 3.23 rear.
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To add justification to my previous stupidity, I've got an auto. So I was thinking the 4 speed w/ OD can't do it. Not sure on the math for that.
Anyways, no way a stock engine, even with some better parts would touch 140+mph. Wind, as Gumby said, is a problem. The front end on a 3rd gen Camaro is a friggin brick.
Plus, you'll need some pretty good tires to hold together at those speeds.
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Yea a slush box car will be much different, allot is just in the gearing.

Here is some more gearing to pounder.
Thats an iron duke 4 cylinder out of a 3rd gen.
It doesn't need power as gearing make it a great swamp hunting rig.


But its the wind that will say, whats what on top speed.
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I read an article a while ago about how a guy hit 200mph with 300hp in a 3rd gen camaro. So getting a 200hp (best case NA RWD 3.4L V6) to 200mph seems very unlikely. Even 140 looks very iffy. This arguement can only be solved with data logs.
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lololol 200mph HAHAH what a joke with these boats u need one of them drag motor with 5000hp to even think of that, at 150 i think the firebird will become a bird alright
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I was serious. He had a dyno proven 300hp V8 engine and had to change a lot on the chassis to hit 200mph. No mirrors, spoiler changes (used the RS little lip), underchassis aerodynamics, and just about everything. So since wind resistance is a square of the speed and the 2.8 V6 has little power, I doubt anyone can hit 140 without some serious effort.
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If I sucked the nose down to the pavement and out in that 3.4l motor I have had sitting in my garage now for a few years, I guarantee I could breach 150 in mine with the autotrans (No my trans is far from stock) with the gearing I have.

I just got my truck to the 152 mark and its far more an areodynimic brick than the Camaro is. I do not know what you guys are thinking saying these cars are not areodynamically sound, they are. Its just anything at that speed needs to have power to push it just off of things like tire rolling resistance. Just by ptting thinner tires back on my car could give me the 140 mark. Its just a street car though, not my racecar, so I am not going to alter things just to prove this point. (Beside, I do not have the car in m possesion currently- major divorce going on, I have wrote this car off, it was hers)

My truck has a Dakota digital dash with highspeed recall

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Camaro chasing down a Vintage GT40 in the corners, but he wastes me down the straights photos 1-6 on that page you see him pull on me on the short straight, then I jump him back through the high speed sweeper, then hes gone again down the longer back stright. I gain a little back on every corner. Note: I AM ON STREET TIRES, he is on race tires...wider race tires at that. I pulled 123 around the high bank turn one- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/8

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ok well u didnt say all that i was thing he slapped on some engine mods and was like this can hit 200 vooooomm lol it had to take a long time and the miles he had to have so good tire to my tires are only rated for 165 safe after that bye bye
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That silvy had very similar rims to what my old s10 had.


A firebird could hit the mark easier then a camaro.
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That silvy had very similar rims to what my old s10 had.


A firebird could hit the mark easier then a camaro.

Yep, would need to be a bird with a stick, and probably a notch as if what Im seeing with mine iis true
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Yep, would need to be a bird with a stick, and probably a notch as if what Im seeing with mine iis true
notch? as in notchback body? What are you seeing?
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notch? as in notchback body? What are you seeing?
post #83 of mine.

Seems like air is flowing over the car faster with my new notch back.

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post #83 of mine.

Seems like air is flowing over the car faster with my new notch back.

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omg what is that hatch called i want it and i cant find it anywhere
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omg what is that hatch called i want it and i cant find it anywhere
You and everyone else, can't find out who made it, in all I have found pics of several types, near a dozen but none like it. Found it new, unused for $175
[And the guy who wound up with it has no idea, been traded around shop to shop for years.]

Best money ever spent.

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You and everyone else, can't find out who made it, in all I have found pics of several types, near a dozen but none like it. Found it new, unused for $175
[And the guy who wound up with it has no idea, been traded around shop to shop for years.]

Best money ever spent.
look like a custom job pimer black and it looks fiber to mmmmm i need to check at some swap meets u sooooo lucky becuase i hate the big glass hatch my friend had a crack that cut the thing in half and he to replace it
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It was the typical grey color, they haad hit it with some grey primer where it was dirty on the edges. Thing has been traded around shops but was never used. I know cause the spot for the hiinges need to be flat, would of never fit as it was.

I hit it will cheap rattle can flate black, once it was dry enough to sand on, the spray marks went away. In that pic it was also just sitting there, sanded to clean up spraymarks, over spray off window gone, bolted on and got it to latch close. Not using the shocks as they are to strong, the corners lift up and it don't seal. And I got a brand new soft seal. It does weigh allot less, I gained about 2in in height in the rear, use to have an even ride. Gotta fix it as I don't like the jacked up look.

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That looks like one for a the testarossa(sp?) body kit.
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