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see there are so many of those...
and what part do i clean
thats why i asked for pics please
Take it out, hold it upside down, so the part that goes into the TB is facing down then spray the end and spring off with some TB cleaner. You hold it like this so the cleaner wont get in the actuator and short it or something.
yea i was wondering about this too, can you just take the whole air box out and put a cone on the end of the throttle body? do you have to re locate a sensor or anything when you do this? i would imagine so. thats the only reason i would worry about eliminating the stock air box assembly
Stunt Double has a camaro and im not sure what you have, but if its an 85-90 camaro, you already have a "CAI". Your air filters are located in front of the radiator, no engine heat to get up there, its about as "cold air" as you can get coming into your engine. if you do it any other way, youre going to be sucking in warm air from under the hood in the engine bay. you can throw in K&N filters if you want, but if you dont wanna cut the bottoms of the boxes off, just leave it stock.
Stunt Double has a camaro and im not sure what you have, but if its an 85-90 camaro, you already have a "CAI". Your air filters are located in front of the radiator, no engine heat to get up there, its about as "cold air" as you can get coming into your engine. if you do it any other way, youre going to be sucking in warm air from under the hood in the engine bay. you can throw in K&N filters if you want, but if you dont wanna cut the bottoms of the boxes off, just leave it stock.
what about for 90-92 cars? lookin at a 92 right now
Stunt Double has a camaro and im not sure what you have, but if its an 85-90 camaro, you already have a "CAI". Your air filters are located in front of the radiator, no engine heat to get up there, its about as "cold air" as you can get coming into your engine. if you do it any other way, youre going to be sucking in warm air from under the hood in the engine bay. you can throw in K&N filters if you want, but if you dont wanna cut the bottoms of the boxes off, just leave it stock.
thanks for the imput, as i read more and more on the subject i'm starting to agree. i'm just gonna armor-all up the plastic tubing and put in some fresh filters. and i'm not going for the expensive kind either - alot of these boards are saying its not worth the money. just keep fresh cheapies in it
On My Own, I believe you can modify the 90-92 cars to use the dual snorkel, check w/ Dale.
Stunt Double, the only reason I went with K&N is because I never have to buy new again, in the long run you save money by just cleaning them out. Yes they do flow slightly better, not sure on the cfm increase or anything, but I just did it to save $$ in the long run.
hmmmm.... maybe i should look at them again. i know this is off topic, but i'm pretty fired up right now, i just put the plates on the camaro for the year, she's been off since late oct, and i drove her all over today - woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the mass air flow is the sensor in the intake tube, near the air filter and has the honeycomb looking thing inside the tube. spray the honeycomb w/ brake cleaner and let it air dry. same w/ the iac, but that only effects idle so don't worry about it just yet. also, run seafoam through the intake, it helped mine when i had problems.
let the car warm up, slowly feed about 1/3 can through the brake booster line(back of intake to drivers side big black rubber line) or throttle body. let the vacuum do most of the work, don't let it leak and suck air. it'll burn white smoke a while.
thanks the pic helps alot cuz there are a million of those sensors that look like that, but your sayin remove my air filter and spray sea foam down the tube?
What you can do is cut a whole in the body of your engine compartment (floor of it somewhere) and have your cone sticking into the hole cut in where it will then suck cold air from under the car. I bought my firebird with a nice cold air intake. It sucks up nice cold air right from under the car.
thanks the pic helps alot cuz there are a million of those sensors that look like that, but your sayin remove my air filter and spray sea foam down the tube?
no, take out the part that doesn't flex in your intake tube. it has a harness wire connection on it. as in, remove it from the vehicle. then spray brake cleaner in it and let it dry.
iac will be similar, remove it from the vehicle, (it screws in and out like a bolt) and spray the tip and spring portion.
seafoam will get poured through the brake booster line, mostly just sucked up by vacuum, not really a pouring action.
OK, I have a question. Where is the brake booster line that will suck the seafoam into your engine an make it smoke? I've looked around alot for it but can never find the right vacume. If someone could circle it on that pic it'd be great.
__________________ '91 Firebird 3.1
Aluminum UDP, Wonderbar, Cooper Cobras, high flow cat, K&N, more when I get the money...
What you can do is cut a whole in the body of your engine compartment (floor of it somewhere) and have your cone sticking into the hole cut in where it will then suck cold air from under the car. I bought my firebird with a nice cold air intake. It sucks up nice cold air right from under the car.
It will work, but make sure you avoid puddles or any bumps in the road at all costs. Get that intake sucking up water and .............. hello hydrolock.
OK, I'm gonna put it real simply. Without knowledge or money you wont go fast. Take all your filter tubing out and put a 3", $25 cone on the TB. that's about all that can be done really cheaply.
No, you cannot tune your computer without money and the knowledge of what your doing.
Sounds like you'll probably just be spending most of your money making this car run stock. When you get it it'll probably need new plugs, wires, rotor cap, air filter, clean the TB, run seafoam through it, clean the IAC, a new battery, alignment, and who knows what else. The alternator could be bad, the tires could be dry rotted, on and on.
how true this post was lol
i got a spectre filter replacement, not a cai tho.
i need new plugs, wires,cap..but these are alot harder to get to than the carb motors
prolly have to clean the tb
clean the iac, by the way which way do i turn it, cuz neither way makes it budge
the alt just died on me
and a few of these screws are stripped and they are a b*tch to get off
so i cant get my alt off to get my car running
Thanks alot, so I'll just pull the end of that hose out of the power booster and let it suck in the seafoam.
Thanks, I thought it was pretty true too. Having the 3.1, my IAC just has 2 screws on it. I don't see a reason to make it reverse thread though, so I'd assume it unscrews in the same direction as anything else.
The screws are stripping when your taking them out? That sounds kinda weird.. I don't wanna insult your intelligence so I wont start telling you the basics to removing an alt.
alternators can be a bitch. not so much on these cars though. try staring at it and poking around it, maybe you'll find something you didn't see earlier.
IAC unscrew is turning toward the drivers side valve cover. IIRC.
no this alt has 3 screws to take off one long one on the bottom, a stripped one on the front right, and one in the back, thats being block by some silver tube, that i cant get to and i dont wanna take off the tube if im not suppose to.
and should i attempt to take off the IAC with pliars or my fingers, cuz like i said neither way it doesnt move and i dont wanna break anything.
i need help cuz getting these simple but hard task done so i can get my baby running again.
just take off what you need to. don't think of it as "shouldn't" because its your car. nobody will get mad at you messing with your stuff. use a big adjustable wrench on the IAC.
EDIT:I'll have to look at my alternator. I haven't touched it since I put it on my new bracket almost a year ago.
Last edited by chevyracingrox; 02-21-2009 at 11:51 AM.
just take off what you need to. don't think of it as "shouldn't" because its your car. nobody will get mad at you messing with your stuff. use a big adjustable wrench on the IAC.
EDIT:I'll have to look at my alternator. I haven't touched it since I put it on my new bracket almost a year ago.
ok i finally got me a haynes
but they dont have the alt bracket i have in there, it takes 2 screws on there alt for it to come off, mine take 3.
and i have a wrench to take off my iac but i just here cracks like its breaking when i turn either way, is it supposed to do that.
we're talking about the actual plastic sensor here. its possible to take off the whole top plate of the throttle body and get to the iac tip and spring. both ways work, so if your nervous, try that route.
you still have egr? that stuff is complete crap. I ditched mine a long time ago. for future reference, you can get S10 manifolds and they don't have egr on them(because it was by the tb on carb or tbi.) you'll get an SES light though. if you "want" to keep it go ahead and just take off the tube. its not worth fighting with.
you still have egr? that stuff is complete crap. I ditched mine a long time ago. for future reference, you can get S10 manifolds and they don't have egr on them(because it was by the tb on carb or tbi.) you'll get an SES light though. if you "want" to keep it go ahead and just take off the tube. its not worth fighting with.
o **** u can take that off...i would love to get rid of wasted space. PLEASE tell me how to take everything off properly
pics or a thread would be great
well, you won't be able to pass an emissions test, but like I said, S10 manifolds are probably the best way. if not you can take off your egr valve and use the base of it to make a blocking plate that bolts on in place of it.
yea, it works fine. just make a little block-off plate and put it in place of the egr valve, like I said. you'll get a code for it, but so what? I'm not running ANY emissions in my camaro.
yea, it works fine. just make a little block-off plate and put it in place of the egr valve, like I said. you'll get a code for it, but so what? I'm not running ANY emissions in my camaro.
what do you mean block off plate, the haynes doesnt discuss removing this and keeping this off.
is there a proper way of takin it off and everything that comes with it
do u have pics of yours?
1 long message would prolly help and save a lot of questions ha
take a piece of metal, thick metal. take off the EGR Valve and mark holes to drill into the metal so it'll bolt on instead of the egr valve. your basically just closing the passage off so nothing can go through that metal tube. then you can leave the tube there, or take it off and make another block off plate for the manifold. this is all about making blockoff plates. a rectangular piece of metal that has 2 holes in it so you can bolt it back down instead of something else. namely the egr valve. this prevents exhaust from going into you intake manifold. you'll also need to plug the vacuum line left when you took off the egr valve. sorry, no pics. I run S10 manifolds, I'll check later. Don't overthink this! its uber simple, lol.
take a piece of metal, thick metal. take off the EGR Valve and mark holes to drill into the metal so it'll bolt on instead of the egr valve. your basically just closing the passage off so nothing can go through that metal tube. then you can leave the tube there, or take it off and make another block off plate for the manifold. this is all about making blockoff plates. a rectangular piece of metal that has 2 holes in it so you can bolt it back down instead of something else. namely the egr valve. this prevents exhaust from going into you intake manifold. you'll also need to plug the vacuum line left when you took off the egr valve. sorry, no pics. I run S10 manifolds, I'll check later. Don't overthink this! its uber simple, lol.
ok lol
do i take off the egr solenoid also?
plug the vaccum line with what
and i dont have my eecs canister, but all the extra wires and sensors that go there, do i just leave them be or what
the solenoid and the valve are the same thing we're talking about, right? the actuator, that allows exhaust to enter the intake is what you should take off, then put a block off plate in place of it. that way there's no mechanism, just a dead end for exhaust. you can take the vacuum line off and put a pretty little vacuum line plug on it, OR do it the cheap way and screw a bolt/screw into the open end of the line. anything else can be left alone.
the solenoid and the valve are the same thing we're talking about, right? the actuator, that allows exhaust to enter the intake is what you should take off, then put a block off plate in place of it. that way there's no mechanism, just a dead end for exhaust. you can take the vacuum line off and put a pretty little vacuum line plug on it, OR do it the cheap way and screw a bolt/screw into the open end of the line. anything else can be left alone.
your computer needs to do a relearn procedure. might take a while.make sure that everything is installed correctly, everything hooked up and no vacuum leaks.
The solenoid and valve are not the same thing, at least on the 2.8. The valve is the $25 part that comes right off the manifold, and the solenoid (trace the vacuum lines coming off the valve to it) is a black box looking object mounted closer to the firewall.
If you want your ECM to "relearn" or reset, unhook the battery for 10 min, then go drive it. If it still runs like crap, you may have damaged your IAC. Personally, I dont recommend spraying a sensor down w/ cleaner, but to each their own.
Dude, you gotta get it fixed or youre just gonna cause more issues. Get it running how it should, then worry about "making it faster". Your EGR block off isnt your concern right now. You might be able to borrow a timing light from Autozone, or find someone who has one...... are you positive its your timing though?
Dude, you gotta get it fixed or youre just gonna cause more issues. Get it running how it should, then worry about "making it faster". Your EGR block off isnt your concern right now. You might be able to borrow a timing light from Autozone, or find someone who has one...... are you positive its your timing though?
right now im not tryin to make it fast im just tryin to get it up to par...and get rid of **** i dont need.
and is a timing light the only thing you need to set your timing
and yes im pretty sure its my timing.
every problem i have accordin to my haynes manual its my timing
Since you cleaned the IAC, have you had the check engine light at all? Did you check to see if Autozone loans timing lights out? BTW, how many miles are on the car and has the timing chain been replaced that you know of?
no the check engine light has never been on.
no i havent seen if they loan timing lights yet
even if they did i still dont know what im doing
its 93k miles on the car and i highly doubt the chains been replaced
the car has almost all the orginial parts from 87 still on the car
I circled the solenoid, pointed to the egr valve that needs to be blocked off. hilighted where you unbolt it and bolt on a blockoff plate and put an x through the line you plug up. pictures help.
ok im having a major problem...and i've been searching and i narrowed it down to one of these 4 problems.
i might need a new IAC
or a new fuel pump
or a timing set
or o2 sensor
but i cant afford to replace all these prolly only 1.
now the problems im havin is unless i hold the gas my engine wont turn over and stay running. at lights and stop signs sometimes my car will die. sometimes when i push the gas the car acts like it will die until i let go of the gas, and will keep doin this until i cut the car off. and my gas mileage is horrible prolly 12 miles to the gallon
so again i need help cuz i cant afford to replace all these
Take it out, hold it upside down, so the part that goes into the TB is facing down then spray the end and spring off with some TB cleaner. You hold it like this so the cleaner wont get in the actuator and short it or something.
did you hold it upside down when you cleaned it out? its very important. it's also very important that you wait until its completely dry before using it again. more likely that it's the IAC, was it running alright before you cleaned it?
O2 sensors should be replaced regularly any way. They dont stay good for very long.
This sounds like the same thing that was wrong with my car when I first bought it. I did everything you mentioned to try and fix it but nothing worked. Finally I took it to a shop, who told me my fuel injectors were shorting out and buring my PCM. I got new injectors and a reman. PCM, fixed the problem right up. I hope this isn't whats wrong with yours since this cost a good abount of money to fix...
__________________ '91 Firebird 3.1
Aluminum UDP, Wonderbar, Cooper Cobras, high flow cat, K&N, more when I get the money...
