pellmanm

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What head is better, the TFS 195cc or the AFR 195cc?

ljnowell

Better for what? For the $$$? For Flow????

Orr89RocZ

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cnc'd trick flows flow about the same as standard AFR 195's. so it will make similar power numbers.

but the AFR competition heads 100% cnc'd ports/chambers will crush the Trick flows on flow numbers.

not sure about ability to port beyond whats already there to gain more flow, but i am sure there is enough material to cut out for more power/flow.

Trick flows are a bit cheaper than AFR's. so in my opinion, will be a better choice. i am looking at getting them over AFR's.

ross

Afr heads would be my choice. Always had good luck with them. a I have never seen any one that produced exceptonal power with trick flows and I am not saying trick flow make bad heads. And i am fairly sure the 195 afr are 100% cnc now atleast the last two sets I bought were.

formula350sd

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I'd say go trick flow there the next best thing to AFR an you could use the $$ you save for more goodies

antoine

go with what your pocket can buy not what everyone is running,i say go with trickflows you can not beat the price, if trickflows were cnc ported like afr`s then what?

TTOP350

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I love my fully CNCd AFR 220s

Orr89RocZ

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afr standard heads are 100% cnc'd ported on exhaust ports and 70% cnc'd on intake ports

Competition package adds 100% cnc'd ported intake ports so everything is fully cnc'd. flows like mo fo LOL

trick flows can come with Cnc'd chambers for like 200bucks more. not sure if they have cnc'd ported intake/exhaust ports like AFR's do. but cnc'd profiled chamber does increases flow so get those ones if you go trickflow.

cnc'd trickflows dont come close to competition ported AFR's. short by 20 cfm as advertised but are close to standard 195's AFR's out of the box with base 70% ported intake ports.

anesthes

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CNC this, CNC that. You know, with the $500 bux I saved on the trickflows over the AFRs, I bought an intercooler, camshaft, and a used Forged Steel crankshaft. (which magged out perfect!).

...but, what do I know, right?

-- Joe

Morley

Open thine eyes...hell there are people making serious HP on ported FACTORY iron heads and TF's will do even better than that.


Go with the TF heads, you won't be disappointed.
And you'll save a few hundred $$ to boot.

Orr89RocZ

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?????

i wasnt stating that trick flow heads are better or AFR heads are better. Just relaying the facts behind these heads.
i was replying to this:and the original topic.

I agree trick flow is a great head for the money. you cant really beat them unless you self port some others to match or exceed their flow.

AFR's are best for making the max amount of power cuz they flow the best. but trickflows probly can be opened up some to create just as much power. but out of the box, standard AFR's dont justify that much more performance for the price when compared to trickflows. again, for making tons of horsepower, where every cfm of flow counts, AFR's competition ported heads hands down.



and for 500 bucks you saved, you got one hell of a deal.
a roller cam is 260 as is new, and forged cranks go for 500-1000 dollars. intercooler, could be few hundred as well
I would like to know how and where you got all that.

anesthes

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That wasn't a dig at you, that was me clicking on "quote" instead of "reply to topic" by accident.

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I agree trick flow is a great head for the money. you cant really beat them unless you self port some others to match or exceed their flow.

AFR's are best for making the max amount of power cuz they flow the best. but trickflows probly can be opened up some to create just as much power. but out of the box, standard AFR's dont justify that much more performance for the price when compared to trickflows. again, for making tons of horsepower, where every cfm of flow counts, AFR's competition ported heads hands down.



and for 500 bucks you saved, you got one hell of a deal.
a roller cam is 260 as is new, and forged cranks go for 500-1000 dollars. intercooler, could be few hundred as well
I would like to know how and where you got all that.

I got the cam from a member, $108 shipped. Its a comp cams roller .. The intercooler was 255, ebay. The forged steel crank was 145 ebay.

My motors almost "done" and the only thing I had to call summit for was the heads. (which I bitched about, and got them for $1065 shipped with the upgraded springs).

Ask me what I paid for my scat H beams on ebay.

-- Joe

Orr89RocZ

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i wasnt sure, LOL, but figured you werent


i am afraid to LOL it probly will make me sick cuz of all the money you saved but ok, what you pay?

those are some great deals you got there. I am a fan of Ebay. i saved close to 300 bucks of my shocks and springs.

todd200

I say Trick Flow's. I have some 195's but thier not on the motor yet. www.totalengineairflow.com used to be down the street from me before they moved to Ohio . They sold both AFR and Trick Flow products. Brian Tooley (owner) told me he would pick the TF's over AFR anyday. I also have a friend that did work there but stayed here to open his own shop. He said out of the box AFR's and TF's are about even, with the AFR's being slighly better when compared with the "as cast" TF's. He said if you plan to ever have porting or runner/chamber CNC work the TF's have more potential.

Total engine airflow was bought by Trick Flow and that is why they moved to Ohio. You could say that means thier biased but the reason Trick Flow bought them was because of the amazing things they were doing with TF heads.