kmcn47

ahem, mk.22 with arnest rounds will stop a baby elephant, not a large elephant mind you but still an elephant, i have the utmost confidence in the one i keep under the back seat should i ever need it, i will put whoever is trying to steal it to sleep for about 7 hours and call the cops myself

it maybe expensive, but has anything good ever been cheap?

Ron U.S.M.C.

If your moving into the city where crime is every were and the death toll from gang violence is at a all time high,your bound to find its full of crack heads and junkys of all types. Some probably living in your building.Those are the ones that are going to target your car for the stereo equipment.Buy a head unit with a detachable face and take it with you. So far from what I have read the anti theft system that I think will stop the higher end thieves from stealing your car is the detachable steering wheel.With out it why would they even try? Other than a basic alarm system and that,you don't need any thing else.

84Camarodriver

AR-15 with a 150 round drum

1983Chimaera

You need 150 rounds to hit a car thief? I'm pretty sure my scoped M4A3 can drop someone in one shot...

kmcn47

i want an m4, i guess the thompson my grandpa saved form the war will have to do for now, if only i could accurately fire it

ringo234

I have Autopage alarm I don't remember the price but it wasn't bad. Besides the auto-door locks and alarm it will sound off the remote on the key chain if the car is tampered with.

Lucid

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I have a friend that says that the only alarm system worth buying is Codealarm because of the way its installed. He used to boost them, so he laughs at the other alarm systems. Mind you, the "high end thiefs" ,as the previous poster suggested, will just tow the vehicle.

My uncle had some sort of magnetic thing installed in his car, only way to start it was to turn the key and attach the magnet to a switch he had in the car. This was back in the 80's when I was a kid. It was really cheap and simple, since he only knew where to press the magnet.

Lojack is pretty good. I was watching the news the other day and lojack got a salvage yard busted with all the stolen cars inside. Owner got his car back with a grin.

1gary

A Glock and a electrified steering wheel/seat that zaps people at a tazer voltage.The bad thing is after a attempt,you end up cleaning the seat......................LOL.

Ron U.S.M.C.

If they have and are using a tow truck than there not going to be interested in a third gen.unless its immaculate and of show quality.Even then I don't see it. Those kind of operations are targeting a totally different class of car.Using a fire arm and injuring or killing someone, unless your life is in extreme danger could be life in prison or at its worst the death penalty.

1983Chimaera

Spoken like someone in the great state of California, where the criminals have more rights than the victim...Thankfully Texas law allows the use of deadly force to protect one's self, one's property, or another's person or property from harm or theft. This is firmly established within the state constitution, and is a holdover from frontier days when there was a reasonable belief you would not be able to retrieve your stolen goods, especially since tracking a thief at night was nigh impossible. It has been upheld recently, and is part of the "Castle Doctrine". So yes, if someone is breaking in to your car, you can legally drop them in Texas without fear of prosecution.

89RS_82Z

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Gun laws only prevent law obiding citizens from carrying a gun legaly

As for the OP I got vipers top end alarm 8 years ago, and its great. But my car stays in a garage, not a DD, if I drive it its to a show meet or soemthing special

On a fuel injected car just add a toggle switch to the main power on the ecm or the INJ1 or INJ2 fuse (TBI) and hide it some where, talking about $5 protection. As for the items inside the best bet is a alarm, but if you are in a liberal area of the conutry people dont even pay attention to alarms and wouldnt attempt to stop someone, because the theif is obvously "less fortunate" and some "evil rich man" is holding him back

1983Chimaera

Which is why I have no problem donating $.37 (the average cost of a .223 cartridge) to someone trying to steal from me.

Ron U.S.M.C.

I totally agree with Texas Stat laws but I beleave some of them are just that Texas Stat law and the punishment for certain crimes is extreme and that I agree with totally.Only 722 execution have taken place in CAs history and only 725 are on death row now, but your right about CA. being two lenient on criminals.And its getting worse as the prisons are facing over lode. As a Marine I trained to kill Russians for 4 year back between 1982 to 1986 .Trust me when I say it would take all of my will power to not use deadly force with any one stealing from me and I would "NOT" hesitate when it came to me or my family.. As far as my post above is concerned it simply is letting others know they should check into there states laws concerning the subject before they pull the trigger not after.
As far as the OP is concerned and the security of his car I still suggest the detachable steering wheel and detachable face head unit and a basic alarm system.
By the way thanks for keeping me in "check" 1983Chimaera

1983Chimaera

It's just one of the many reasons I wouldn't ever live in Cali, along with the draconian vehicle emissions laws (that are complete BS and don't work), the impromptu roadside underhood checks, the ridiculous cost of living, and worst of all, it's full of Californians!!

The one alarm suggestion I would make is to not put the alarm system in the typical locations as much as possible. Make that sucker as HARD to get at as humanly possible. I plan on placing the loudest bullhorn speaker possible in the driver side rear panel on my car, in the lower well beneath the side storage compartment. Being that my car has entirely custom wiring already, it won't be a simple matter of cutting and splicing wiring for a would be thief...That and the fact that I'm a light sleeper, the car is parked 5 ft outside my window and has a loud, distinctive exhaust, and my M4A3 has a 3x9x40 red dot scope on it is pretty good insurance against her ever being stolen.

Ron U.S.M.C.

1983 Chimaera,
Just so you know I spent my entire life on the East coast living in VA and PA and am a East coast Marine going through Parris Island SC for boot camp and trained to be a anti tank light demolition specialist in Camp Lejeune NC. I only moved to CA fairly recently ( bringing my extensive gun collection with me.)to be closer to my family that moved there several years ago. Ive been told that now that I have CA plaits on my car with a CA drivers license to drive around Texas when travailing across the Country .Ill take that advice especially after talking with you ,not that I'm a wimp and scared to do it.( I consider myself as brawler with a expert rating in bar room 101.) I just don't need the hassle as I'm retired from that life stile at the age of 48.
OK,I apologize for taking this thread so far off subject,and hopefully we can bring this thread back .

1983Chimaera

I didn't accuse you of having Californian mentality...I just believe the US would be better off if the next earthquake did us a favor and dropped California into the Pacific. As for your Cali plates, we have quite the cornucopia of out of state plates here in Texas lately...mostly people moving here because we have one of the few state economies that isn't imploding, so I don't know where you're getting hostility reports from. We fully welcome people that have seen the error of their ways!
However having Cali plates in California DOES open you to that draconian roadside underhood check law, where ANY aftermarket or non-stock alteration to the exterior of your vehicle gives an officer probable cause to pull you over and do a complete check of your vehicle for anything out of CARB compliance. Meanwhile I live in the last major American city to still have no vehicle emissions laws (which means they can't even check for presence of equipment, much less fail you for any missing, as part of a safety inspection).
As for the original post, I still believe the best bet if you do install a system is to not use standardized installations...This means no Best Buy or any other major chain's install, hide everything as much as possible and in hard to reach places, don't use a standard alarm sound if possible (recorded messages are so much more fun anyway, my personal favorites being "AUTO-DESTRUCT INITIATED" and the ever fun recording of a police siren "chirp" and officer on a loudspeaker saying "STEP AWAY FROM THE CAR, SIR". Nobody pays attention to the regular alarms, so make something different that people will notice. And for crying out loud don't set the sensitivity to maximum or it will go off anytime a bird farts within 100 ft of the thing, and people (as well as yourself) will learn to ignore it in no time.

BluFBdy

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use a dei 2 way alarm, use pain generators, or peizos which is the actual name, have it installed up in the dash, its possible. Ive torn 3rd gen dashes completely off to do the install and put 2 sirens on there one under the hood and one under the rear of the car and 2 pain generators in, one on each side of the center console, with dei alarms you can add sensors like tilt, barometric sensors ( wouldnt advise....our cars arent exactly air tight these days) or a proximity in a moderate range. The 2 way will alert you when the alarm is triggered, and the sirens will draw attention. The key to alarms is drawing attention, a majority of people will split if the alarm triggers. And like i said put it into a good hidden spot thats hard to get to, DO NOT put the power wire under the hood, my old job had that as a requirment in case a fault occured so any customer could disable it by removing the fuse....its stupid. If the power comes from under the dash they will have to trigger the alarm to deactivate it which again...most people bail. Another plus to DEi brand alarms is they code hop regularly, the brain and the fob use a random sequence so the signal cant be hijacked. not that it happens alot now but it was an issue in the past that caused DEI to add it to the features, oh and they also use a starter kill if the alarm is triggered too.

DEI brands include Clifford, Python, Viper, Hornet etc. You can find a good one online for around 200, or go to your local store and purchase one to be installed.

89RS_82Z

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Yeah I forgot to mention 2 way alarms, they are nice, my Viper alarm is a 2 way along with the tilt shock sensor too.

I cant remember how close you got to be for the two way to page your remote, but its pretty good for normal uses.

ringo234

Keep you car as ugly as possible.

BluFBdy

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It varies with the model, I believe the remote without rhe screen is 600 ft, goes farther as you step up the model list.

BTW if anyone is interested DEI has a smart start app, its a special piece but anywhere you have cell service you can start, unlock, lock your car and it alerts you when your alarm triggers, uses cell towers to transmit, really good for guys and gals on deployment, let's you monitor your car and keep starting it regularly to keep the battery alive.

I'm in no way a rep for DEI by the way, I just love their stuff, I'm a Clifford/ viper user for life

kmcn47

works good enough for me

midnightfirews6

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So removing the ECM fuse will keep the car from starting? Will anything detrimental happen to the car when the fuse is removed or someone attempts to start it with the fuse out?

customblackbird

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Prob not the best idea. I would assume that the power would be cut to the ECM and the computer will lose all the saved "learned" data that the ECM will squired during driving. Like optimum fuel curves Etc. basically unplugging the ECM or disconnecting the battery will delete codes and the learned data. This means the car will have to relearn which can take 500 miles or more. So the car will be down on power alittle and mpg will suffer alittle.... Not that u will notice it fully.

TheEndofanEra

Except maybe this thing lol.


On topic though, a hidden starter off-switch and trans-in-gear switch I think would be more than enough for most third gens.

peterc005

Cheapest anti-theft device is to pull out the Fuel Pump fuse when you leave the car parked anywhere suspicious.

midnightfirews6

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That's what I was worried about.
Mine's carbureted so it has the mechanical pump. Any quick fuses that can be pulled/ easy tricks without hacking up the wiring or dropping a bunch of money on alarms and devices on the carbureted cars? A buddy mentioned switching the coil wire and a spark plug wire on the cap... may be a good idea but I'd rather just pull a fuse under the dash and put it with the faceplate for my cd player when my car is sitting.

peterc005

Just pull the centre coil wire out of the distributor cap and leave it sitting there but not connected. A thief is unlikely to hang around trying to diagnose the problem.

toxik IROC

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One thing that a lot of people forget is they install a high dollar alarm system and wire it in , but they do not take the time to run the wires and make it look factory as possible. What's the uses of.a 2 way pager alarm if the thrift cab pop you hood and see exactly where the attempt wires are.

Also you can wire up a afew switches to a kill switch . That you have an extra dome light button that has to be pushed in and then the cruise controls switch has to be off for the car to start ... Get creative , and don't go brag to everyone you know that you have a hidden kill switch .

FireDemonSiC

Which is why I powered my alarm from underneath the dash

By the time the thief goes around the the front to open the hood the remote is already going off.

T/Aperformance

well I see that there is a lot of good ideas here , A good alarm system and kill switch,
But the bad ones like guns and shocking the perp is stupid, first its against the law to shoot a person unless in self defense You would end up in jail and the thief could sew you and win, And the thief would be free spending you money Or he could shoot you and still have your car, Let the guy have the car, sure you love it but its only a car, a life is more important than a thing. Shocking the thief again you have made a booby trap that would injure someone and could end you up with legal problems and a lawsuit, Just use a good alarm system and have good insurance to cover the car if it is stolen

xrgoose

best anti theft is to make a hidden switch to turn the fuel pump on and off. if the fuel pump isnt on they arent stealing the car atleast

midnightfirews6

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+1. A car isn't worth a life. Karma/ the legal system/ poor lifestyle choices and hanging with the wrong crowd WILL get back to them in the form of getting pounded by Bubba for 25 to life or getting shot in a back alley for a deal gone wrong... and that's why there are garages, anti theft measures, and full coverage insurance anyway.
Wouldn't pulling the fuel pump fuse/ using a dummy fuse in its place do the same without hacking the wiring? Doubtful that a junkie or hoodlum is going to go walking around with a pocket full of fuses. A properly done kill switch may not be too bad, but all the ones I've seen were sketchy at best... my favorite was an FC3S RX7 with two trunk releases and some botched wiring.

mnug13

I had my 87 IROC for a whole month before someone decided they needed it more than I did. It wasn't even in that good of shape. Never found it either. On my next one though for anti-theft I just plan on running a hidden battery disconnect which should help a lot.

Seighart

you know of all the things on this topic i have yet to see anyone suggest running an ign hot to your hatch pop switch instead of the full-time hot it has. yes this is not quite "anti-theft" in regaurds to keeping the car but if you have a system GOOD LUCK getting it if you cant open the hatch because your average jackhole whole breaks in but leaves the car doesnt know how to jimmy locks he relys on the owner being to naive to realize how easy things really are.

blackbmagic

Not much can stop a tow truck.

Most who run carbed run mech fuel pumps where there is no ecu, or pump fuse.

Keep you car parked between two cars or in the driveway with a car parked behind it. A loud exhaust, keep your wheel cut to one direction and locked. Loose your door handles, and locks. A pager type alarm will go a long way in protecting your car.

For those of you talking about shooting someone who tries to steal your vehicle be prepared to face the consequences. Stolen property does not warrant the death of an individual. Unless you want to spend quite some time behind bars and the emotional load of taking someones life, I would try to keep the word firearm as distant as possible from the word weapon. The only time you should consider aiming a firearm towards another individual is if you or another individuals life is in immediate danger and the use of your firearm could potentially change that.

kmcn47

nothing wrong with tranq guns, used em before, i'll use em again

MY-92-RS

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This is how it is going to work .. I live in a condo if you are in my garage you are in my House my kids are up stairs ... I have NO TRESPASSING Posted on English and Spanish in my front windows

AS Dirty Harry would say DO FEEL LUCKY well do you !!!

blackbmagic

TRESPASSING and THEFT of property are two very different things as far as the law is concerned. You cant shoot someone unless they are a direct threat to you or someone else. If you can prove that they are an immediate threat and live with your decision to end someones life then I suppose you have that right.

Most times if you have your firearm drawn you will know within the first couple of seconds if that suspect is dangerous or a threat. You dont walk around the corner and blindly fire at the first inclination that there is an intruder.

@ kmcn47 Tranquilizers are a class 2 narcotic and require either a subscription, license or permit.

Even if you do have access even the strongest tranquilizers will require minutes to fully take effect depending at their point of injection.

If you don't have the correct knowledge on dosing, you can easily OD and kill a person. Or if the dose is too little you could possibly do nothing at all, except aggravate.

Also they have a ridiculously short shelf life for liquids and require refrigeration, so keeping them stocked would be extremely inefficiency.

Funny how I should know this..My fiancee is a veterinarian.

A good civilian tazer or or stun gun would be the better of the wrong choices.

Back to the drawing board....

Lets stick to practicality. Keep your car in the best spot you can in hopes to avoid theft. Keep it blocked in or locked in a garage. Use defensive strategy like keeping the wheel locked and cut full right or left. Use a paging/sounding alarm if you feel its necessary. Motion detectors...all theft deterrents. There is no BEST way besides maybe a myriad of all possible options.

Peoples circumstances are going to vary depending on where they live. An alarm will do not much for someone who lives in an extremely rural home.

khunter

Pull the steering wheel takes like 5 minutes and a star key set most of the camaros with outan airbag should be set up that way like already stated you cant steal a car with no wheel

kmcn47

you can with a tow truck

IMissMy86TA

best device I ever heard about was in the 80s I was reading a vette mag and the had a story of a starter you would replace your stock one with. no one wld know. but when you got in the car you had to do a small morose code by turning on the ignition in a short series of quick or long holds. then it wld start. else it wld just lock out.
neat.

DARKmj16

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the cheapest would be to wire in a cut-off switch to the ign. coil.

the funnest would be place the mace smoke bomb inside the car.

the surest no one is gona **** with it is walk around a lot with a visable guna nd sign saying things like trespassers will be shot, or guns dont kill people i do.

what i have is a attack dog, viper alarm with all that high end jazz, a P90 (accuate fast fireing, light sub-machine gun) and i have wired my door handles up to where they have 100,000 wolts running tho them (use of capistors obviously)(inside and out) so unless some dukes of hazard my car they are getting forzen long enough for some one to stop them (me running to my car at light speed)

woody0731

I know this is a really old thread but I figured it might help someone doing search.I This is what ive been doing it won't stop someone from towing the car but hopefully save someone's car from being "HOTWIRED". Really easy. way to help stoP theft with out any cost involved. The shifter handle remove clip on front side that holds handle on.. Then every time you park your car just pull off handle remove the small plastic rod out and take with you and put handle back on..Takes 5 seconds to do They can't shift car into gear they can't steal it. (Unless they go under car to shift linkage).They won't have a clue as to why shifter isnt working. Hope this helps saves someones classic.