Jersey89GTA

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Anybody try these out ? Curious how you like them ?

ThePain

Wow... so those are real LED headlights? Or just some kind of dumb halo light?

How much, and where are they available from? I didn't know anyone even made these for our cars.

Jersey89GTA

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Flea bay $17

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIAMOND-CHROME-HALO-DRL-LED-4X6-PROJECTOR-HEADLIGHT-LAMP-H4-H4651-H4656-H4666-GC/310808470760?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D3045665716626446327%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D360798533723%26

Edwardgp

At that price I am sorry to say I would be afraid of the quality.

Jersey89GTA

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Yep that's why I am asking if anybody has tried them ....??

Tibo

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So they look like a regular housing with a few LEDs in the periphery? is that right?

Keoman

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Yeah if you haven't noticed, that is a fake-o H4 projector housing and those are not going to put out any kind of usable illumination.

A 55 watt halogen bulb produces a standard 1400 lumens of light. A 35 watt HID produces a standard 3200 lumens.

It takes a little more than 17 bucks to produce that kind of light from 12 LED's of that size...

Tibo

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Wow that's interesting

Jersey89GTA

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Here is another brand "Moto"

Bulbs are interchangeable to HID or brighter halogens.

You can wire LED as turn signals, running lights/accent ...

Interesting. Found a Camaro w/ them.

You could wire the LED as following function:
Turn signal
Daytime running light
Accent lightsSpecification:Lens material: Glass
You could upgrade your orginal bulbs into HID conversion as this is NOT a sealed beam headlight, you could change/upgrade to compatible light bulbs

Mad Myche

With the grat reputation that company has... not a chance

Basically my sentiments. It is a generic H4 housing that seems to have the back cut off and am extension slapped on for a small H4 projector. which they state on the ebay ad
There are 55w halogens that actually do quite a bit more; both the H2 and the 9012 are around 1800.
Likewise, 35w HIDs arent always 3200 lumens, only the The Luminarc (only used in a Lincoln Mark 8) was 2850, and the other reflector based HIDs are rated the same. Only the projector versions are rated at 3200 from what I have seen

Keoman

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True Myche, I didn't look but the site i got those numbers from used an OEM projector housing and an OEM run-o-tha-mill H4 bulb and calculated luminosity in front of the headlight. The focal characteristics of the projector increase the luminosity at close range.

Having a better look at those "Moto" brand lights, those LED's can't be more than 8mm LED's...
Never seen an 8mm LED in anything higher than 1watt.. thats like 50 lumens each? Its laughable.

Of course, brightness isn't everything in a headlight...

Mad Myche

No disagreement there- it's a combination between the power and the optics. A 1500hp motor will move you quite quickly but a set of temporary spares just won't hook up to the pavement to well

I just got back from Thanksgiving in Northern Wisconsin which has several inches of snow, so I took a Chevy Cruze up. I made it about 20 miles out of Milwaukee in the very early AM before I decided that I missed the Camaro and her Bosch H4s

Keoman

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Besides the T56, this was the single best thing I did to my car so far.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/auto...-exterior.html

Illumination is paramount!

Mad Myche

I was thinking about this mod of yours when I was reading the flea-bay page; kind of seems like a mass produced knock-off using dime-store H projectors

josh@bwlights

I realize I'm kinda posting an add on this thread but I retail lights for some cars and alot of off-road trucks and we have led replacement headlights for third gen camaros and fourth gen firebirds I have attached pictures if anyone is interested I can add my ebay postings to the thread or you can just PM me.

Mad Myche

Can you please tell us which of the CREE chips are in use on this product- I want to see what the actual color spectrum is that is being used

josh@bwlights

The first style of lights has a 6000K output and 1550/3200 lumen output while the second "projector" style lights have a 6300K output and 1600/3300 lumen output.

josh@bwlights

Mad Myche

I'm calling BS. Your ebay ads state that these use considerably less power than factory or HID conversions. Considering these are advertised as 45 watts and both HIDs along with the H4656 are rated at 35 that is flat out wrong.
You can post videos and images all you want and people may buy that. What is not being said is what the color balance is on the camera- most CCD image sensors are strongly biased against the red/yellow portion of the spectrum and will naturally appear brighter. Well when blue appears 25% brighter by design you are not giving full disclosure.

Provide real, independent test data of photometric analysis of the patterns so that they can be compared on an equal basis

KITT1983

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hey bad wolf do you carry H6054 led headlights? how does your kit compare to trucklite 27450C led headlight?

http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs...2027&langId=-1

josh@bwlights

We do not currently carry led headlights in that size, although we are looking into it.

boricua24

Hope this is not out of context but I had a question about these aftermarket headlights itself, cause I got a couple of them but I just found out that mine are made upside down! Meaning that where it says top on front of the glass is not the way it should be, because if they were I don't get my lights to be forward instead they'll be pointing to the sky, I went on ahead and flip them around and now I get a perfect light coverage. So if someone has a more knowledge with these aftermarket products please give me a lesson!

Mad Myche

Which ones did you get?

t-top havoc

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If they aim to the left instead of to the right maybe you have European lights?

boricua24

Purchased them from ebay under 4" X 6" INCH CLEAR DIAMOND CUT UPGRADE REPLACEMENT HEAD.

boricua24

The only problem that I noticed was they were aiming up not left or right, thank you for the question though.

josh@bwlights

Tibo

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How about showing what they look like in the low mode and low mode LED vs low mode halogen?

Dizturbed One

Hey Josh, I'm loving that headlight kit you got going on there. I want one of those for my RS, and maybe a set for my truck too (77 GMC Jimmy). How much?

Tibo

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You may want to wait until someone posts a low/regular mode shot by stock lighting. I haven't been able to find any pictures or video of led headlights in anything but bright mode, really makes you wonder. If you check out Amazon for user reviews of the led headlight bulbs they are almost all horrible in anything but bright mode (9003, 9004, etc.) Also if you check out YouTube you will see that vendors post video of their led headlight in bright mode but not regular and when someone comments to see them in regular they are not answered or the reply is that they will post a video and the date on that comment is months or years ago. I even sent a private message to this guy asking for a package deal of four and I would do a review on here and he could probably get some sales since other members knew it was a good product. No reply yet, months later.

LAFireboyd

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To the original topic, here's a set of REAL 4x6 projector headlights. They work with halogen bulbs or any brand of HID kit, and supposedly can be adapted to work with the new LED conversion kits that have recently hit the market. They also have LED accents in the form of a semi-circular "halo" that serve as daytime running lights. They're from one of the top names in aftermarket projector lighting, DOT approved, and they're reasonably priced too. There's also a complimenting set of 4x6 high beam headlights available. I'd think these would be great for 3rdgen Camaros.

http://www.headlightrevolution.com/S...rr-hpl4656.htm

http://www.headlightrevolution.com/S...rr-hpl4651.htm

For people who want to use the inexpensive "ebay" H4 reflector housings or fake "projector-style" reflector housings, like in post #1 above, the new LED conversion kits are perfect for those and will turn them into excellent LED headlights. Kits available to fit almost any other reflector headlight housing too.

H4 kit for 3rdgen-fitting 4x6 or 7x6 reflector housings:
http://www.gtrlighting.com/led-headl...0-lumen-bulbs/

All kits:
http://www.gtrlighting.com/led-conversion-kit/

I bought a set of GTR Lighting's 7x6 Tru-Projector headlights(REAL projectors, not fakes) w/HID from Chris for my Formula last year(yes, they work with the pop-up assemblies), and they're outstanding. And I'm currently using an LED conversion kit for the reflector housings in my daily vehicle. These LED conversion kits would be great in 3rdgen foglights too.

HID is still the best, in terms of light output. But LED is much better than halogen. So with these new LED conversion kits, just about anyone can have LED headlights.

Mad Myche

So I checked the HR packages out as my interest was peaked.
They are advertising them as running with a 9005 lamp stock and options for hid or led, along with being DOT/SAE compliant. I am not aware of any lamp being compliant using different lamp technologies.
The single beam per lamp kills the deal for me anyways.
The other thing that bothered me is that every halogen bulb they have listed is dipped in blue crap.

The only real advantage I see to projectors in general is size, which really does not matter in most of our scenarios.
I really am not concerned about a few extra amps for halogens; my stock alternator has not had problems keeping my electrical system well within normal ranges

LAFireboyd

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Assuming you're talking about the Starr projectors, you don't have to get a bulb with the purchase, nor do you have to get an LED or HID kit with it either. You can buy whatever bulb or kit you want, from wherever you want to buy it.

There are conversion harnesses to mate a 9005 bulb to a Camaro's plug-type. And if not(but there are), there's nothing complicated about headlight connections, so a conversion harness would be very simple to make, if one desires to make his own; connectors are readily available.

Yes, the Starrs are single beam headlights. They're for a 4-headlight system. A Camaro uses a 4-headlight system.

As for why I included the Starr in my post, when the topic is about LED headlights, an LED conversion kit can be adapted to the Starr projector(and is offered as an option by the vendor), which will convert it to an LED projector headlight, just as the LED conversion kits will convert any reflector housing into an LED headlight.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy anything; I'm not selling anything lol. I merely replied to this thread with some good quality topical options.

Mad Myche

I understand that HR they sell them bare and that the bulb is additional. I also read the description they have promoting sae/dot compliance and the what's in the box- a 9005 and that an HID upgrade is available.
If you go to Starr's site, you will see that they have the low beam as HID, and that their high beam lamps are not projector. The differences would almost suggest that HR is hacking their lamps up.
Yep; there are LED conversions out there, but just because the housing were legal and that LEDs may be legal does not mean that the combination of the 2 are sae/dot compliant

LAFireboyd

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The nature of headlights today is that they're designed with bulb replacement in mind, making them maintainable, consumer-friendly products. Offering plug-n-play options, such as interchanging 9005 HID with 9005 LED or 9005 halogen is hardly "hacking."

If you're concerned because a manufacturer offers a product that lends itself to support such options, or because you don't like the way it markets such a product, then I'd suggest you vent on the manufacturer, and let's keep this thread on topic, please.

Termn8r

I bought those 4x6 halos on ebay and they are amazing. Every person that sees my car loves them and the ones I got have the high intensity. Now, what they don't tell you is that you also need to be the ceramic wiring kit otherwise the HID will start to melt your current wiring.

Ozz1967

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I really wish there was a good HID or LED kit for the Firebird Pop-up headlights.

89' firehawk

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I know right!! I'm With ya on that!!

Firechicken86

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There is. but you really have to shell out the money to get it. I got LED sealed 5x7's for my trans am that are amazing. They've got the proper focus and light up the road immensely with no scattering. For retail they cost around $1000 but I somehow managed to get mine for $600 if I recall correctly. A member sen me a PM asking to make a video which I forgot to respond to (hopefully you see this, sorry!) I definitely plan on making a video to show you guys for those of you who are interested in upgrading your lights.

WTR388

Someone was on here like a month ago with a great looking firebird set up, I think it was like 400ish? And it's something I would do if I wasn't scraping the money together for my swap.

Ozz1967

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Who did you buy them from? Do you know where they are for sale now? I mean, $1000 is a bit much for my blood, but it would be nice to know where to get one when I can afford it.

Ozz1967

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Hmm, I don't remember seeing it.

visitor

Regarding the first post... Someone called those "fake projectors"...could someone clear up what it is that makes them fake? Do they not have a shield in them, or do they not have a focus point? Thanks!

LAFireboyd

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A "projector-style" headlight is simply a reflector housing with a decorative round glass lens(not a projector) inside the housing, in front of the bulb, attached like a standard bulb shield, and the overall appearance resembles a projector headlight. But it's not a projector headlight, and it won't perform like a projector headlight. It will perform like a reflector headlight, where the bulb's light will be reflected off of the housing's reflective surfaces. But there's no functional benefit from the decorative "projector-style" lens.

That said, reflector housings, 4x6 or 7x6, as inexpensive as they are(projector-style lens or standard bulb shield), are not bad products and should still produce better results than sealed beam headlights(that's why sealed beams were dumped by auto makers in favor of reflector headlights). The light comes from an H4 bulb, but because they're designed for removable bulbs, people can install the light source of their choice(Halogen, HID or LED). The housings in this thread's original post with LED semi-halos(also available with a standard bulb shield instead of a projector-style lens) present a 5thgen-esque appearance, with the semi-halo accent lights serving as daytime running lights(DRLs)/position lights, etc., just as halos do. So there's nothing wrong with these headlights, they just aren't what some people might think they are. But at $20-$50 for a set of housings, then with a nice set of H4 bulbs(Silverstar ZXE, Phillips Crystal Vision Ultra, or some other off-the-shelf or internet-purchased Halogen/Xenon-Plasma style bulb, some available in a variety of color temperatures, such as 6000K, 8000K, etc.), people can have a pretty decent set of headlights for an entry-level price.

Or for "high-performance," install an H4 LED conversion kit(mentioned in my post #31 above) in a set of 4x6 and 7x6 reflector housings, or in real projector headlights too, and they'll become strong-performing LED headlights. I'm currently using a 9007 kit in my Frontier's stock reflector housings. They're 2x brighter than Halogen(HID is 3x brighter than Halogen). And their crisp 6000K crystal-white-with-a-hint-of-icy-blue light makes the light from Silverstars look dull gold.

Personally, though, I wouldn't recommend anything brighter than these LED kits in reflector housings. The way light fills-up a reflector housing, extraordinarily bright sources, such as HID, would create an awfully large bright light pattern for oncoming traffic to deal with. Whereas properly-aligned projectors with HID direct their focal points away from an oncoming driver's line-of-sight. These LEDs are already pushing the tolerable limits of reflectors, so HID in reflectors probably would not be a good thing.

The only possible physical problem for one of these LED kits in Firebirds might be the LED's fat heat sink base. The range of movement in the pop-up assembly should be ok, but I don't think that fat base will allow the Firebird's body cover to fit properly onto the headlight assembly. So for Firebirds, a manufactured LED headlight would probably fit better than an LED kit in a reflector housing or projector. But LED headlights are considered "state-of-the-art" high-end products, so expect them to be priced accordingly.

I believe Firechicken86 has one of these JW Speaker LED headlights:
http://www.headlightrevolution.com/J...p/jw-8900c.htm
http://www.headlightrevolution.com/J...p/jw-8900b.htm

Other 7x6 dual beam LED options for 82-90 Firebirds:
http://www.headlightrevolution.com/T...p/tl27450c.htm
http://www.towtruckleds.com/MHL-5X7H...HL-5X7HILO.htm

4x6 dual beam LED options for Camaros and 91-92 Firebirds:
http://www.uapac.com/trucks/lighting...-low-beam.html
http://www.maxxima.com/products/prod...l#.U18PZPfn_IU
http://www.maxxima.com/products/prod...l#.U3JdJvfn_IU (this is the companion high beam headlight to the above Maxxima headlight when used in cars with 4-headlight systems, such as Camaros)
http://www.headlightrevolution.com/G...tr-6010003.htm
http://www.headlightrevolution.com/O...ra-4x6-45w.htm
http://www.badwolflighting.com/led-h...x6-sealed-beam
http://www.badwolflighting.com/led-h...or-sealed-beam

Headlight Revolution/TLG-Auto offers other LED headlights too. Good site to search. Good company to do business with. I got my headlights from them last year.

Speaking of... it was also mentioned in this thread that there's a TGO member with pop-up-fitting real projector headlights w/HID in his Firebird. That's correct. It's me. Here's my thread:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/auto...-bi-xenon.html

They're pretty awesome. Unfortunately, GTR Lighting doesn't offer them anymore because they've created an all-new Tru-Projector for 2014. They sold the designs for the Tru-Projector I have, so they are still available online, but through other manufacturers/vendors, and not under the name, "Tru-Projector," as that belongs to GTR Lighting. The new Tru-Projector is linked in my thread, as are the LED Conversion Kits.

But since this title of this thread is "LED Headlights," even though the headlight about which this thread was created is not an LED headlight, I've tried to keep this thread about LED, not HID. So in that light, an H1 LED kit could be used in the Tru-Projector headlights I have, instead of an HID kit. However, here again, due to the heat sink at the base of the LED, it's suspect whether the Firebird's headlight cover would fit with an LED kit. H1 is much smaller than H4, so it might work, but it will take experimentation. HID is superior to LED, and mine are about as good as it gets, so I won't be switching to an LED kit. But if I can get ahold of an H1 LED kit to test-fit, I'd gladly test it.

Firechicken86

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Gumby

Would have to be the better SMD led to get headlight like brightness.

I have a LED spot light, only has 1 SMD led and its beyond bright.

But I stick with standard reg headlights, and a set of yellow driving lights.

I hate Dbags with low beams 3x brighter then the sun....... not gonna be one.

Iroc Ant

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KITT1983

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Beautiful job iroc ant

manolis1969

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