Ok,

I'm using TunerPro RT and looking at a bin using $6E mask. I see tables, constants, etc. that i can change. Is this EVERYTHING in that bin that is able to be changed?

Or are there possibly more that my bin definition file does not specify?


I think this will clear up a lot of confusion in my head. Hopefully others' too.
Thanks.

 

my understanding is, yes there is much much more in there. just think, how big 16kb is and how little you are actually changing. there are also routines, the one that i've seen alot of lately is iac routines, they are completely different between mt and at cars, but both are on the chip and you switch between them with the flag.. what you see in tunerpro is just what people thought you needed to see, there is much more going on.

it's like getting something delivered, you just chose one of say, five options ground, next day air etc. something different in the background has to happen to facilitate this change i.e. the package goes in an airplane, not a truck. Do you need to know which guy put it in the airplane or the truck? Or which truck it was put in? no you just need the five options so thats all you see.

this is my current understanding of things

 

mmhmmm...

what you're saying is kinda what I expected. Thanks. I knew there would be routines that i was not shown. Now are there, say, tables somewhere in the bin that I dont know about but I would like to change IF it were defined in the bin definition file?

People talk about not being able to directly set Pulse Width in $6E (or something similar). Is it a case that it is "undiscovered" in the bin?


I've been reading the threads on source code, and I think it's taking me ahead of myself too quickly, dunno if it will confuse me or help me!

 

ahh now me and you are on the same path, i'm trying to stay away for 6e despite it's accolades for that very reason, fueling. i've looked through that stupid arap bin 30 times trying to figure what relates to fuel directly, and the only thing i can say is the maf tables and scalars, but that's not new information by any means..

i would think that would be towards the the top of the list of things that NEED to be seen, so we're missing something.

now explain to me the perfectly flat fuel table in 32b, doesn't make sense from my point of view but then i see it reverse engineered so,, comes with the territory.

 

There's a LOOOTTT not in the $6E xdf that's on tunerpro's website. But, it's mostly nitty gritty stuff that's not useful to change for most people. I've been adding to mine slowly over the years when I get bored. Just open the hacked source code, and go to town on it. It's easy. Just don't change anything until you think you know what it does, though, and be ready to change it right back.

Here's what I've done so far...

 

You're not missing anything. $6E is simplified, but not in a simpleton manner. It's just doing what the old table did in calculation rather than lookup.

The flat table in 32B is because X grams of air needs X/14.7 grams of fuel at any RPM, when the commanded AFR is 14.7:1. RPM doesn't change anything at all, because the MAF directly measures the air (but goes through some math that un-directs it, then re-calculates itself based on cylinder events - but don't worry about that part). 32B used a lookup table. $6E calculates and gets the same result as the lookup table. This makes $6E easier, and rapidly configurable to changes.

 

Now is when I go "AHAAaaaaaaaa..." haha. Now I think that made the connection between the source code stuff and the bin definition stuff. Thats what I needed to hear, thanks!

So I guess i could pretend to know how it works and get ok results by playing with whats in front of me, or I can go deeper and use the hacked source code and such to understand it and hopefully do it correctly.

I learned what i wanted from this thread, but further info is ofcoarse welcome.


thanks.

 

had to chime in. im obviously new at this so please be patient with me.
1. using what you have how can i delete the smog/egr (no emmisions here)
2. im running a hefty cam, .474 liflt, what all should i change to help with that?
3. im using TP and was wondering how would i take your info and burn it to a chip? do i somehow transfer it to the flash and burn software?
TIA!!

 

Yea, thats really got nothing to do with this topic...

BUT,

1) Guide Book > this will have a link in its chapter 5 about the egr as well as many other posts.

2) Cant say for sure, I havnt gone there yet, but again a search for cam info in the prom board WILL help you.

3) See the link in #1 and at the beginning is the Intro to Prom Burning, check it out.. An Moates Site will have documentation that can tell you how as good as anyone can.

In conclusion, searching will help you more than asking at first.

 

at i know, i am using dial up and the searces never work, so at the risk of ritticule (sp) i as the simpilest questions . thanks for the help.. ive printed out about 200 pages from this site to get me started, sorry about the jack.