articwhiteZ

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well the new 427 sbc came in last week. and had time to get a look at it. and take a few photos,this one is 12.1 all forged, bottom end

at last i get to see My 427 bottom end!!









the big thing is they sent me the wrong side dipstick..i orderd a pasngr side, they sent me a driver side,thats not going to work with my Milidon pan.
will ask them to redo the eng,with the right dipstick set up. or send me a new milidon pan. (free) im sure they will work it out,

ericjon262

Thats beautiful!

Irockz

iTrader: (1)

VERY nice.I'd say they will choose to eat the cost of a pan over redoing the whole deal.The entire setup looks like top quality stuff,love it,even if it is a sb.

fearsomeformy

All the Minnesotans say it with me... "UFFDA!" Congrats!

mister_hudson

iTrader: (3)

VERY nice! I'm quite jealous - can't wait to see what she can do with that inside!

ericjon262

The one really nice thing about a small block, you never know what they're packing!

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

a few more shots

photos of the screen running in the top of the block



block notching for rod stroke

nothing like starting with a fresh aftermarket block!

ericjon262

what block is that? Dart SHP?

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

Lingenfelter did my last eng a 383 stage five,up grade.
the that one is still in the car,and will be coming out in a few days.
the oil windage tray,oil pick up,heads and a few other parts are getting swaped over,will be going over the heads with new Springs,locks, and seals, they only have 5000 miles on them if that, but want to keep every thing fresh and new.

will have my art guy do the sides of the cowl hood with 427 on it, as soon as it's tuned and running.
11.9.1
mech roller cam
open the parts book and drop it in!

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

it's a wheeler block
sorta a copy of the Dart with a few more things done to it.

thicker walls
New Wheeler Pro Series casting
Block is precision machined on our 4-axis CNC equipment
Cylinders are finish honed with Sunnen CV 616 & torque plates with 820 Sunnen stones
Mains are line bored on our Winona Van Norman line boring equipment
Mains are finish honed on Sunnen CH100 Line Hone
4.185” bore capable
Siamese cylinders (no water jacket between cylinders, larger bore capability, increased rigidity and strength)
4-Bolt billet mains front to rear, center (3) caps splayed
ARP main studs
Available with optional bronze lifter bore bushings
Available with O-ringed deck
Dedicated main oiling
9.015” deck height
Main bore diameters are standard 350 SBC
1.9995” - 2.0005” cam bores
Requires .300” tall lifters for roller applications
Extra thick pan rail
2-piece rear main seal
Accessory kit installed including: cam bearings, oil valley screen kit, brass freeze plugs, and all necessary dowels
Optional oil restrictors are also included
Dry sump scavenge and pressure provisions provided
Factory left hand dipstick, block has provision to be drilled for right hand dipstick
Weighs 190 pounds ready to assemble
they have the blocks they use.made to there spec and use bowtie and a few others as well.
but with all the mech work and block prep, you can get any block you want just ask.

and,it can take a 200HP Hit from my NOS fogger!

the old 383 is on a 4 bolt Bowtie Block, it will get a look at before getting tucked away under the bench. always wanted to upgrade the Bowtie.. Nows the time.

I could have started out with a 454 small block, (same price)
BUT,I always wanted a 427, in My camaro.)and this one can always get a over bore down the road..LOL

ericjon262

looks like a very high quality piece.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

wanted to keep it under 12.1, like 11.9.1, but i looked up the piston part # and it's at 12.1 with a 64 cc head.. my heads are at 65.6 cc so i think i just got it under 12.1.

they list this SRP Pro piston at 12.1 with 64cc heads. and:
400 FLAT TOP PROFESSIONAL SERIES

• PISTON DESIGN
• Advanced, lightweight FSR forging that eliminates stress concentrations for superior strength
• Up to 20% lighter than traditional equivalent
• High-silicon 4032 aluminum alloy for reduced piston-to-wall clearance and quiet operation
• Accumulator grooves for improved ring seal
• Designed for normally aspirated or moderate forced induction/nitrous applications
• Now includes high performance skirt coating!

• RINGS INCLUDED
• Lightweight, low friction metric ring package included
• 1.2mm top ring, 1.5mm Napier 2nd ring, 3.0mm standard tension oil ring
• Napier 2nd ring for improved oil control
• Minimal filing required
  
  PINS AND LOCKS
• High quality 2.250" pin further reduces reciprocating weight
• Carbon steel wire locks included

thats almost 1 full point up from 11.1 on my last 383.
and we are also adding 36lb injtrs.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

whats in the car?, just a plane jane EFI 350 with headers..
and some NOS, maby a cam..you know.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

well talked to them about the oil dip stick, on the wrong side.
sorta thats to bad, sorry about that,

the thing they bring up is, with the new stroke my old Miladon pan would not work anyway,with a 4" stroke.

so i would have to buy a new pan anyway.
my old pan has the windage tray and all the goodys.
the other pan has the same thing built into it.

MY PAN NOW
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MIL-30901/?rtype=10

THE PAN I NEED TO GET?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MIL-30908/?rtype=10

Twin_Turbo

iTrader: (25)

More nickel? Is this the same as the procomp block or not? What about the PBM block?

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

cant say anything about PBM OR ProComp never used or seen anything from them.
and nickle and vandeom (are the good things) chome Vandeom(spelling) is the hardest stuff that comes in from the East..im a gun smith and use it alot..it's tuff stuff by it's self.

I took a look and read..i rememmber when Dart first started selling there blocks..same thing.any time you have somthing new the Girls will chime in. with there banter.. but i do understand.
I HAVE USED
Blocks By
Dart
&
GMPP BowTie.
I know the score, and Have paid out cash, for what I know will Hold Up.

this is Not, a ProComp or PBM Block.

from JP who i also talked to today about my oil pan

FROM THE SITE: REPLY
:Then asked if they were PBM blocks..

No. These are our own blocks. We machine and CNC them here in our own 18,000 sq ft machine shop, on the premises.
Thanks,
JP

some of the old guys will not Buy into the new things,sorta like back in the 80s and the Guys at the track saying they would never use EFI in a Race car or Hot Rod...

I read alot of the things on the net.. and dissmiss the Junk i know for a fact is Junk, but to Post it. with out knowing the facts,I just dont do it.

and it looks like i have to shell out $230 for a new oil pan..

looks like this 383 with it's Bowtie Block will be going up for sale (maby)
on a good note i think i get to use the pick up from the old 383.
if it's not welded to the Oil Pump

the last time i checked this up grade was only going to be $5 to $6000
IM OVER $10.000 now, I need to get a Job I think.

Jeromey Cummins

iTrader: (5)

Doing all the install work yourself i take it? Keep us posted.

ericjon262

really?? I thought most of these cars came with 305's!

Twin_Turbo

iTrader: (25)

Go to speedtalk and start reading about the wheeler, pro comp and PBM blocks. Looks like the engraving is done in FL, the machining too (wheeler?) but seriously look at the posts by Carl Hickson from CNC blocks. He doesn't beat around the bush. These are those Dart Little M copies. Does yours have an anti surge hole for the water pump? Your block w/ the ribs across the freeze plugs looks a lot like it. What caught my attention is the trash screen, that's what those all have. Hickson tested a no name brand block and it tested real low for alloying and hardness. Not sure if his was a PBM block or not, haven't checked it out lately. There were some big discussions going on over there.

With respect to "girls come in with banter" that Hickson guy doesn't beat around the bush, he probed out the entire block and had a different guy test the hardness. I feel what he posted over there are valid numbers.

(BTW, it's chrome vanadium)

SeanW

That guy is one of the worst posters on that site IMO. He is there simply to sell. Not long ago, and you probably read it too, someone posted a link to Little M blocks that were basically selling at wholesale cost. He came out and said they were seconds without any proof to back it up. Said he had an inside guy at Dart, yadayada. But absolutely no proof. Then he does a competitive sale on the same block but won't publish his price. Somehow the thread pointing the way to a deal turns into an advertisement for him.

I am not saying the testing he did on the blocks is invalid. In fact from what i have read about Wheeler its amazing the motor actually showed up. But i take everything that guy posts with a grain of salt.
On speed talk it is accepted that Dart is the only real option for SBC blocks. The tests i most recently on the PBM and the same block under another name were crap. The nickle content was almost non existent.

SeanW

The problem i see with this response is that where the block is machined has absolutely ZERO to do with the metallurgy that created the block. No mention of a foundry, do you really believe they aren't coming from China?

stroker_SS

Very cool, i demand some video once installed.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

ya know what Guys..

this is the same Crap. you see on the Gun sites..some body will say. somthing is diff, there for, not as good, or trash.

just like all the other sites with all the other info, and miss info this site is no diff, dont get me wrong this site has some good info, but at the same time, this site has minedless bannter, with no facts.. if I made a block out of Chrome Vanadium steel..sombody some place would say i need more copper in in to make it work..lol

what it comes down to is this, it's a cast iron block, im using.
not Alum. like i was going to use, this block is stronger then the Alum block, hands down. no core shift, at all, nexed to what a alum block would have, but then we are not spinning it to 9000 rpm,all day long!!

I WILL TAKE THIS BLOCK, OVER A GMPP ALUM BOWTIE BLOCK!
this block will do ever thing i want it to!!

this cast iron block is fine for a 6800 RPM eng,or even a 8000rpm eng
iv only had to turn a ford eng this Hi,(8500) in the RPM to make power.
but i see nothing to lead me to think i could not turn this one just has Hi if Needed to!

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

they could come from mexico. and i would use it.
sonic checked. all Machine work done in the U.S.
to race spec, for what i need.

tell me how this block will NOT hold up,

this has been posted on the net for a few years now. lets see some photos, and proof, this this cast iron is weaker, not just print in some post on the net, with some guy who sells the other Guys parts,
(my sisters brothers buddy stuff!!)

I do understand, it's like when they burned you at a stake, for being evil,or dropped you in a lake for the same, not so much anymore,but it still Takes place, with parts and Guns.

I WILL POST:
if anything will not bolt up. dont fit, or falls apart, i will Burn them at the stake to....lol
but i will have Photos..lots of photos. and FACTS!! (facts and photos) sorta cool that way.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

hey thanks. i made a mess with that.

and i did read the post..ALL..OF it.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

I have to agree with you, articwhite. I can't say I know anything about Wheeler specifically, but it looks like a well thought-out piece. Hard to imagine they'd go through all that and accept crap castings.

So, all you TGO dudes and dudettes out there that don't have any data to back up your nay-saying, what say you back off a bit, K?

And, can we all agree right here and now that all this "high nickel" crap is just an urban legend that refuses to die?

SeanW

Mexico is a bad comparison. The mexican 302 fords are the most desirable stock 302 blocks.

I never said the block wouldn't hold up. If anything i was defending your block. But that doesn't mean i will overlook the obvious when they are saying this is "our" block. A dart block isn't the same as a world products block. Its the foundry not the machine shop that defines the block. Whatever block you buy it is expected the finishing machine work will be done by a quality shop. That's a moot point.

articwhiteZ

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I understand about the ford blocks (was a ford fan in the 80's)
and used a Mexican 302 block..(had the better mains) sorta like the 289HI PO. block.

was not bashing you ether, hope you did not take it that way, it's all good.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

True, there is a lot of rebranding out there. It doesn't look like they just put their main caps on somebody else's block, though.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

it's made for them, to there specs, then they do ALL the mech work.
wheeler on block

wheeler on mains,

wheeler on box

it takes money to make money


it's nice to see somebody spending money on there Name,
and Packaging, and not just a sticker slapped on the side of a Box.
the proof will be in the running.
and WHEELER, Knows this. the end prodt, will be the test, to see if anything and every with there name on it passes the test, of time.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

my Z 28 Came with that 5.7 tpi on the back bumper.
so,short of removing it, it's always going to say 5.7.

F-Body Demon

iTrader: (1)

Wow, that looks like a well assembled piece, I checked the web for these guys and it doesnt look like they have a website. So do you mind if I ask how much you paid for it?

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

the short block $2999.00 (421/427/434/440/454)
shipping $200 (Im in washinton state, they are in FL)
upgrade to Hbeam rods $200 (dont need them,i like them)
flexplate $50.00 SFI Crt
Bal /Damper $150 SFI crt

total $3600. (12.1 427 all forged shipped to my door)

if you look at the bottom of the spec card,you can just see the web site
wheelerpowerproucts.com

THERE WEBSITE IS GETTING A RE DO.
they dont have alot of info up right now (price list)
like they did back in september. it's looking good.

http://www.wheelerpowerproducts.com/...ed-blocks.aspx

my block
http://www.wheelerpowerproducts.com/...hed-block.aspx

LilJayV10

iTrader: (5)

It "looks" good. That's a hell of a price for a SBC 427 but Schwanke Engines sell LS motors for cheap and they are suppose to be good.

I will be interested to see how your build goes and all the supporting mods you are putting in it. I hope you aren't putting TPI back on it. LOL

To the response to it has their name on it, Craftsman's tools are made over seas and they stamp their name on it once it gets here. I did read that on the internet so it may or may not be true.

Best of luck to the OP. I had bad luck with the 406 a local machine shop built for me and I wasted thousands of dollars on. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

yes im putting the TPI back on it, SUPERRAM.

iv been running the super ram for over 17 years. never had any thing go wrong, ever.

makes gobs of TORQUE! and thats what this eng is made to do, make lots of TORQUE!!

Twin_Turbo

iTrader: (25)

My question is still....does your block have the water pump bypass/anti cavitation passage? (hole drilled below the threaded hole on the pass side)

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

http://www.wheelerpowerproducts.com/...hed-block.aspx

this link you can see a photo and list of things my block has.
and the front of the block..

dont see & dont need, the Anti Cavitaion passage. my last Bowti block did not have it.

AmorgetRS

iTrader: (6)

Wow, that seems like a great deal to me... I was expecting nearly twice as much.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

was looking for a few weeks at others. in the 427 & 434 CID size. this block and parts. also all forged all the way up to 454 and 14.1 +,was the best price,i could come up with, ther are afew others out there with in $200 to $300 of the same thing, And I get to try a new place out,

have done the 383/406 cid stuff in the past, and always wanted a 427.just to say it.

Lingenfelter had for sale,in the 420cid size an eng that makes over 543 fpt and 525 HP. with a tad smaller cam.and 11.1 and corvet heads.
that eng made over 400 FPT at 1600 RPM,(and never fell under 400fpt all the way to 6000rpm) this one is just a step up in size /cam and a few other things, so i know ill be in the ball park of what i want.

t-top havoc

iTrader: (3)

I am also greeeennn with envy....

Please DO post a sound clip when you get it going!!!
I'm glad you got what you wanted after all the thinking it over!

Good luck...

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

going to do a few Videos, with sound.


till then a sound of what the cam and CID with only 11.1 sound like. (mines 12.1) as i dont drive it that much on the street..and when i do, good gas is not a prob.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=divnS4SFLYk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOFk...eature=related

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

Up date:

new oilPan, Milidon $239 fits 4" stokers.
oil dipstick on drivers side.

dipstick $25.00

new .300 longer mech roller lifters $425
for this block. (cant use my old ones..damn)

t-top havoc

iTrader: (3)

Hey articwhiteZ--

How's the project coming along? Got any update or will it be a while???

Just wondering how it's going...

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

working on it, had to come up with more parts,

oil pan (old milodon pan would not fit this stroker) $280
new lifters (.300 longer) old mech rollers will not fit this Block) $465
so ill also spring for a new gear drive $150
(i like them they work, you dont know it's there)

2 eng stands
and a list of other small things

and spent the last 2 hrs working keybords over to get on the PC..LOL
will be updating with full list of photos. as soon as i get the 427 out of its box and start doing the make over.. hope it starts to get fun soon

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

parts are rolling in.. will have to sit for 2 more weeks.. had a sweet deal come up on a spohn K Member. i could not let it slip by..new for $460 shipped
with all the right upgrades it would cost over $600 shipped.

a few guys ask to see my emblems..lol

dont know the spot to install them, if i put them on at all.

TOP or BOTTOM..what do you think?

1986Z28OWNER

iTrader: (1)

The fact that they couldnt be bothered to mask the engine fore they painted dosnt say much about there attention to detail. If they cannot manage to paint a engine, how can they manage to build one?

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

LOL..

to dream, is only to dream. to bitch about somthing that you wish you could do,well thats the flip side.

i think the 427 just above the Z28 looks the best, My self.

rybread11

That doesn't mean anything. I used to work in a machine shop where we built engines. My boss - the head machinest was a very good machinest. He was maticulouse(spelling) and built really great solid engines. But then I would laugh when I'd see him paint a block without taping everything off. I would, but thats just me. Some guys feel its not important, but it doesn't mean the cylinders arent perfectly straight, each cylinder isnt shaped perfectly to each brand new piston, or every other part of the block inst perfect.

z28freak84

gonna look pretty ghey with saying 5.7 and 427 on the car.....

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

it was gay with the 5.7eng
after getting a 2nd GM 5.7 TP emblem

I will remove the 5.7 from the emblem on the car.

you would have to be Brain Dead to think the car still had the 5.7 in it anyway, would like to get a 7.0 in place of the 5.7..lol