Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
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If anyone is interested in pursuing that car and redoing it they should contact John in RI. He has a roll of that color spectrum fabric still.
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Guys I passed on this car because of it missing the dash plaque as that is the one thing that connects it to the Miss USA pagent. Would still be a good project car for someone..........................RatPack...............................
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I just purchased some fabric in the brown for $31. The piece was 3 rows wide and 62" long which is the width of the roll. I plan on holding onto it until I can build a car for my son. I missed getting the red at $18 and the blue for $41. I plan on continuing my search for the grey.
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I just purchased some fabric in the brown for $31. The piece was 3 rows wide and 62" long which is the width of the roll. I plan on holding onto it until I can build a car for my son. I missed getting the red at $18 and the blue for $41. I plan on continuing my search for the grey.
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Its been awhile since i posted updates with my interior. Ive been busy on other things. But towards the end of the summer i finally finished off the interior (finished off the car too). here are two shots of the door panels. Also got a better power seat switch from ebay.
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It's funny.
In the '80's I just simply hated this interior. I thought it was gaudy and tasteless, and on top of that I really didn't even find the "Conteur" seats all that comfortable.
Now, that interior is a selling point when I'm looking at 3rd gens. Here's another irony. When new, I hated Crossfire because it was slow, couldn't beat a Mustang GT and it's worse sin - not available with a stick. Now I have one. And if I run across a blue CAMARO CAMARO CAMARO interior for it, I'll probably snag it too.
In the '80's I just simply hated this interior. I thought it was gaudy and tasteless, and on top of that I really didn't even find the "Conteur" seats all that comfortable.
Now, that interior is a selling point when I'm looking at 3rd gens. Here's another irony. When new, I hated Crossfire because it was slow, couldn't beat a Mustang GT and it's worse sin - not available with a stick. Now I have one. And if I run across a blue CAMARO CAMARO CAMARO interior for it, I'll probably snag it too.
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It really depends on whether they actually need to be recovered because of fading or rips, but on average around $350 with a sold rear fold down seat, and about $450-500 with the split fold-down rear seat. It costs so much to have them recovered that not too many people will step up to the plate and pay for them. I sold what I would call an NOS set of these seats and door panels about a 1-1/2 years ago for $2500.00, but they were new, as in less than 50 miles on the car when removed. The car was totalled during a demo ride when an unexperienced driver flipped it on its roof and flattened it! I bought the interior out of it then when the dealership used the car for its parts. Now it was the more desirable red/charcoal interior, but that would give you an idea. There were a set of seats on Craigslist about a month ago that a friend just bought and he gave $200.00 for them. They needed recovering due to being dirty and faded.........................Hope this helps..........RatPack.........
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It really depends on whether they actually need to be recovered because of fading or rips, but on average around $350 with a sold rear fold down seat, and about $450-500 with the split fold-down rear seat. It costs so much to have them recovered that not too many people will step up to the plate and pay for them. I sold what I would call an NOS set of these seats and door panels about a 1-1/2 years ago for $2500.00, but they were new, as in less than 50 miles on the car when removed. The car was totalled during a demo ride when an unexperienced driver flipped it on its roof and flattened it! I bought the interior out of it then when the dealership used the car for its parts. Now it was the more desirable red/charcoal interior, but that would give you an idea. There were a set of seats on Craigslist about a month ago that a friend just bought and he gave $200.00 for them. They needed recovering due to being dirty and faded.........................Hope this helps..........RatPack.........
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Is the RPO for contour seats in 1985 ZO6 as some think or is it the "D" or "E" after the color number?
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats and door panels)
19D Contour custom cloth in black
62D Contour custom cloth in light saddle
68D Contour custom cloth in russet
72D Contour custom cloth in dark carmine
82D Contour custom cloth in medium dark grey
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats only)
19E Contour standard cloth in black
62E Contour standard cloth in light saddle
68E Contour standard cloth in russet
72E Contour standard cloth in dark carmine
82E Contour standard cloth in medium dark grey
(Without Camaro Camaro Camaro interiors)
19C Custom cloth in black
62C Custom cloth in light saddle
68C Custom cloth in russet
72C Custom cloth in dark carmine
82C Custom cloth in medium dark grey
Here is where I found my information on these interiors' RPOs.
http://www.iroc-zpostforum.com/Tech/TEch85codes.htm
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats and door panels)
19D Contour custom cloth in black
62D Contour custom cloth in light saddle
68D Contour custom cloth in russet
72D Contour custom cloth in dark carmine
82D Contour custom cloth in medium dark grey
(Camaro Camaro Camaro on seats only)
19E Contour standard cloth in black
62E Contour standard cloth in light saddle
68E Contour standard cloth in russet
72E Contour standard cloth in dark carmine
82E Contour standard cloth in medium dark grey
(Without Camaro Camaro Camaro interiors)
19C Custom cloth in black
62C Custom cloth in light saddle
68C Custom cloth in russet
72C Custom cloth in dark carmine
82C Custom cloth in medium dark grey
Here is where I found my information on these interiors' RPOs.
http://www.iroc-zpostforum.com/Tech/TEch85codes.htm
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The interior trim codes with "D" & "E" are for the LS seats, but only the "D" codes were used in 1985 models as the LS interior was only available with the Custom Cloth interior that year. Chevrolet must have had plans to offer that seat option with the Standard Cloth interior since the interior trim codes exist, but I have no sales records of it ever being sold that way. Also my price sheets only show the LS seat option at $650.00 which correlates with the option only being offered with the Custom Cloth interior. To date I have yet to see a 1985 LS interior w/o the Custom Cloth option (Camaro spectra cloth on the door panels) as offered in the previous 3 years. Would love to see a car with a trim tag showing an "E" interior suffix code from 1985....Anyone have one?.............................RatPack......................
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Darth 93 Your interior is the base vinyl with the LS seat option which when ordered without the Custom Interior you got the standard vinyl door panels as shown in your picture. Ordering the LS interior this way cost $375.00, but when combined with the Custom Interior you got the matching cloth door panels. The cost of the option jumped up to $650.00, so for the extra $275.00 you got the door panels and the BS1 Quiet Sound Group which was included with the Custom Interior. The only way the matching cloth panels were included with the seats in 83 & 84 was with the Custom Interior option. Then in 85 the LS Interior was only available with the Custom Interior. Check your interior code on the trim tag secured to the radiator support, it should probably be 67E.
The 10 83 Z-28's used for the Miss USA Pagent had the same interior you have in your car with the base vinyl door panels..............RatPack...........
The 10 83 Z-28's used for the Miss USA Pagent had the same interior you have in your car with the base vinyl door panels..............RatPack...........
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Just bought a blue Conteur interior today. Seats need to get recovered. The door panels are the base vinyl.
If I want to recreate the CAMARO CAMARO CAMARO door panels with the carpeted lower half, what do I need to do?
If I want to recreate the CAMARO CAMARO CAMARO door panels with the carpeted lower half, what do I need to do?
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If you already have the Custom interior which has the carpet on the lower half of the door panels then the upper half is all that needs to be recovered. The center area with the Camaro lettering can be made like the factory panels with some extra panel board, foam, and a little sewing. The rest of the upper portion of the panel needs to be covered in the solid cloth material that was specific for this interior. SMS has the material to recover the seats and door panels..........RatPack...........
Oh if you don't have the Custom interior door panels already then you will need to find a set from another 83-84 model with the blue interior so you can get the needed blue welt that forms the seam between the upper & lower carpeted area.....
Oh if you don't have the Custom interior door panels already then you will need to find a set from another 83-84 model with the blue interior so you can get the needed blue welt that forms the seam between the upper & lower carpeted area.....
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The CAMARO logos on the door panels are made as an "insert" and simply installed on a solid door panel. The fabric gets stiched over padding and onto cardboard. On the back,...... Each side has a length of thin steel (with some 'teeth' punched out of them ) pinned down the side.
A Picture would do a better job of describing them !!
A Picture would do a better job of describing them !!
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Thanks for the pictures, just like I said, a little extra panel board, foam, and some sewing to make them. To get the rails that have the fold over tabs rob a set from any early GM car that has the 3/8" wide chrome moldings that are removable from the inner door panels and rob them of the strips...... If you need the rails with the tabs I think I may have some extra sets............RatPack..........
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Thanks guys.
1) yes my '83 has a blue custom interior, so I can recycle those door panels - right?
2) Does the blue cloth go across the top of the panel and then the CAMARO insert goes over it, or does the CAMARO insert go on and then the blue cloth fills-in in front and behind the insert?
3) John, do you make those inserts?
1) yes my '83 has a blue custom interior, so I can recycle those door panels - right?
2) Does the blue cloth go across the top of the panel and then the CAMARO insert goes over it, or does the CAMARO insert go on and then the blue cloth fills-in in front and behind the insert?
3) John, do you make those inserts?
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1.) www.smsautofabrics.com
2.) yes
3.) yes to the first part of your question, no to the last.
4.) can't answer that one, but I was told SMS can make them for you complete with the tab rails.............RatPack................
2.) yes
3.) yes to the first part of your question, no to the last.
4.) can't answer that one, but I was told SMS can make them for you complete with the tab rails.............RatPack................
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No he doesnt. He just happens to have one of the better collections of early third gen conteur stuff around cause he loves em just as much as i do. I do not believe he has any blue conteur fabric left however someone on ebay not too long ago had a set for sale for around 100 bucks for enough to do an interior.
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The CAMARO logos on the door panels are made as an "insert" and simply installed on a solid door panel. The fabric gets stiched over padding and onto cardboard. On the back,...... Each side has a length of thin steel (with some 'teeth' punched out of them ) pinned down the side.
A Picture would do a better job of describing them !!
A Picture would do a better job of describing them !!
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If you look at the red/orange panel on the right side of the picture you can see the 3 clips on each side of the back. The panels basically just hang on the door panel with these clips. Those clips go all the way through to the backside of the door panel.
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Wow, never knew that. Do those clips go into anything or do you just sort of jam them into the door panel?
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Edited the first post to add this
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/le...pholstery.aspx
Found it while surfing the web tonight. Might help someone out. Somewhat pricey but cheaper than having an upholstery shop make the covers.
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/le...pholstery.aspx
Found it while surfing the web tonight. Might help someone out. Somewhat pricey but cheaper than having an upholstery shop make the covers.
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Just an FYI, I contacted Desert Sun to inquire about the CAMARO door inserts. He says he can make a new pair for $75.
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Which are the "correct" seatbelt guides which screw into the headrest? I've seen a couple different ones.
I just bought a set of blue seats and they are missing the guides. (Still looking for a set of door panels BTW, if anyone has any leads)
I also got some fabric samples from Original Interiors. Looks very high quality, but the color is substantially darker than my seats. And I don't mean just from fading either.
I just bought a set of blue seats and they are missing the guides. (Still looking for a set of door panels BTW, if anyone has any leads)
I also got some fabric samples from Original Interiors. Looks very high quality, but the color is substantially darker than my seats. And I don't mean just from fading either.
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Which are the "correct" seatbelt guides which screw into the headrest? I've seen a couple different ones.
I just bought a set of blue seats and they are missing the guides. (Still looking for a set of door panels BTW, if anyone has any leads)
I also got some fabric samples from Original Interiors. Looks very high quality, but the color is substantially darker than my seats. And I don't mean just from fading either.
I just bought a set of blue seats and they are missing the guides. (Still looking for a set of door panels BTW, if anyone has any leads)
I also got some fabric samples from Original Interiors. Looks very high quality, but the color is substantially darker than my seats. And I don't mean just from fading either.
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I was just going by the pictures of what everones interior showed and used the stock black seat belt guides from my original camaro seats. They are the squarer ones. Here is one of the better pictures showing what i have. There is nothing special about them or the headrests on the LSCs in fact. GM used the same headrest in the normal headrest camaro seats as well as buicks, oldsmobiles and others.
The ones I have on my 83's seats are the L shapes ones. I was think of re-using those, but if the square ones you have are correct I'll look around for a blue pair somewhere.
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I have a set of Tan ones (1985) and they also have black guides. Also, they're for sale.
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Square ones seem to be correct for this interior. Take for example this picture from the first page
I was actually surprised that they were blue. I would have thought that gm would have wanted to save costs and have them black. Never really paid attention to them to be honest. Good luck finding a set of blue ones though...if i were you i would just find a set of square style ones and dye them blue.
I was actually surprised that they were blue. I would have thought that gm would have wanted to save costs and have them black. Never really paid attention to them to be honest. Good luck finding a set of blue ones though...if i were you i would just find a set of square style ones and dye them blue.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-92...item563722e396
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Square ones seem to be correct for this interior. Take for example this picture from the first page
I was actually surprised that they were blue. I would have thought that gm would have wanted to save costs and have them black. Never really paid attention to them to be honest. Good luck finding a set of blue ones though...if i were you i would just find a set of square style ones and dye them blue.
I was actually surprised that they were blue. I would have thought that gm would have wanted to save costs and have them black. Never really paid attention to them to be honest. Good luck finding a set of blue ones though...if i were you i would just find a set of square style ones and dye them blue.
Blue is tough to find. You can still buy them new, but I've seen them in black/tan/gray/red - not blue yet.
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What i would do as far as door panels is get a set of factory conteur door panels so that you can get that panel that has the three camaros on it for the upholsterer. Heres a set on ebay right now in burnt orange. It all comes down to what u want to spend. I had both door panels redone in my custom interior for 100 bucks.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-92...item563722e396
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-92...item563722e396
Yeah, I've got my eye on that one. Last week there was another orange/red pair for half the price of those. But.......ya never know......a blue one could turn up. I've seen them out there before I was looking to buy. I've only been seriously looking for a couple of weeks now.
How much did it cost you to reupholster your front seats?
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I shopped around for a bit before i found a good upholsterer who would do it for a price i felt was very reasonable for the amount of work he put into my seats. Since mine are not just slip covers or anything like that he had to use the original tattered and beat covers as a guide and make mine custom. All said i think it was 200 for the rear seating area (the back and the two buckets that go on the floor) and 250 per front seat. He later told me he really should have charged more for the driver seat because there was more to it than the passenger seat (the adjustments and such). So that was the breakdown
250 drivers seat
250 pass seat
200 rear seat
100 door panels
100 for the seats
100 for the spectrum fabric
Grand total of 1000 on the dot. Ug i need a beer after reading that myself lol.
250 drivers seat
250 pass seat
200 rear seat
100 door panels
100 for the seats
100 for the spectrum fabric
Grand total of 1000 on the dot. Ug i need a beer after reading that myself lol.
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I shopped around for a bit before i found a good upholsterer who would do it for a price i felt was very reasonable for the amount of work he put into my seats. Since mine are not just slip covers or anything like that he had to use the original tattered and beat covers as a guide and make mine custom. All said i think it was 200 for the rear seating area (the back and the two buckets that go on the floor) and 250 per front seat. He later told me he really should have charged more for the driver seat because there was more to it than the passenger seat (the adjustments and such). So that was the breakdown
250 drivers seat
250 pass seat
200 rear seat
100 door panels
100 for the seats
100 for the spectrum fabric
Grand total of 1000 on the dot. Ug i need a beer after reading that myself lol.
250 drivers seat
250 pass seat
200 rear seat
100 door panels
100 for the seats
100 for the spectrum fabric
Grand total of 1000 on the dot. Ug i need a beer after reading that myself lol.
OUCH! Just goes to show, that it's worth spending $400-500 if you can find a *MINT* *COMPLETE* set. Easier said than done though....
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
Problem is that does not exist unless its tied to an equally mint car. The only time ive heard of a mint set was one that a dealership pulled out of a car when new i think and stored away. That was selling for several 1000s so there is really no cheap way to get this interior nice unless u buy the whole nice car which probably isnt cheap either lol.
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
Problem is that does not exist unless its tied to an equally mint car. The only time ive heard of a mint set was one that a dealership pulled out of a car when new i think and stored away. That was selling for several 1000s so there is really no cheap way to get this interior nice unless u buy the whole nice car which probably isnt cheap either lol.
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
yeah you can.. Hawks Thirdgen sales them new. heres the link..
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/le...pholstery.aspx
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yeah you can.. Hawks Thirdgen sales them new. heres the link..
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/le...pholstery.aspx
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/le...pholstery.aspx
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
Well i got very lucky and found a guy that had my same 1983 camaro and with my interior. The guy said he was making his car into a pro street and was taken the interior out. He thought the interior was ugly and didn't want it. So i bought it off him for $100. I got a hell of a deal. lol I got all the seats and door panels.
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Well i got very lucky and found a guy that had my same 1983 camaro and with my interior. The guy said he was making his car into a pro street and was taken the interior out. He thought the interior was ugly and didn't want it. So i bought it off him for $100. I got a hell of a deal. lol I got all the seats and door panels.
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hahaha.. I think I'm only lucky with cars because i never have luck like this.
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
There must have been a year where the blue changed. My 84 has the same blue that is pictured in this thread. I'm restoring the conteur cloth and found a bolt of blue cloth that is way darker than the origional blue. The origional 83/84 blue is light, with a hint of silver. The fabric that I have (GM Origional) is a very dark blue with no hint of silver. I'll post a picture up soon.
Any luck finding the lighter blue?
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I did a little experiment. These are the Conteur seats I bought a couple of weeks ago. This is them after about 5 hours of cleaning. Yuk!
Anyway, look at the CAMARO pattern on on the seat back of the driver's seat. It was almost as bad as the seat bottom, basically COMPLETELY trashed, worn and beyond repair. Soooo, I figured what the heck, I've got nothing to lose. I painted it. I paint military miniatures as another hobby, so I had paints I could mix and blend on hand. I'm still working on it, and it needs afew touch ups and refinements, but what do you all think?
Anyway, look at the CAMARO pattern on on the seat back of the driver's seat. It was almost as bad as the seat bottom, basically COMPLETELY trashed, worn and beyond repair. Soooo, I figured what the heck, I've got nothing to lose. I painted it. I paint military miniatures as another hobby, so I had paints I could mix and blend on hand. I'm still working on it, and it needs afew touch ups and refinements, but what do you all think?
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
As far as the picture goes it looks pretty good. I don't know if it translates that well in person. I have those rear seats if you want them. They're as nice as the passenger seat back that you're showing.
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Thanks for the offer on the rears, but I have all four seats. Just need the door panels.
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yeah you can.. Hawks Thirdgen sales them new. heres the link..
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/le...pholstery.aspx
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
OK, no problem, but you could salvage the material from the seats to make the door panels....Just a thought!!!!
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
Anyone ever use Desert Sun? It's listed on the first page.
http://desertsunauto.com/camaro_information.htm
He says he can make a pair of front seat covers for $500. Is that worth it?
Hawks has all four seats for about $650, but won't do the fronts seperately.
http://desertsunauto.com/camaro_information.htm
He says he can make a pair of front seat covers for $500. Is that worth it?
Hawks has all four seats for about $650, but won't do the fronts seperately.
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Re: Lear Siegler Camaro Conteur interior history
I believe these are the stock seatbelt guides for my seats.
I've never seen this type before. My headrests have the base still attached with the triangle thingy missing.
Anyone know where I can get a pair of those?
I've never seen this type before. My headrests have the base still attached with the triangle thingy missing.
Anyone know where I can get a pair of those?
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