GTA1990

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Yo peeps

usual weekly ebay scan for camaro/ firebird items came across this picture of what the lister says is a camaro pace-car.

Looks like quite a modified camaro - you'll notice the widened arches and one piece front clip/fenders - almost a 3rd/ 4th gen hybrid

Can anyone shed any light on this? Really more of a firebird guy but this caught my eye -

musclecar70sfan

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Damn it looks like a 1992 1/2 camaro! lol. No help here but i'd like to see what that thing's all about.

Dartht33bagger

Well I have no clue if this is real or not, but it sure is damn ugly

Drew

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All you need to know is printed on the door... It's a PPG pace car. Note it says Indy Car World Series just below that. PPG pace cars in general included a lot of concept cars and cars modified to look different. One of them that stands out is the car from the Wraith was a PPG pace car. GM probably didn't have anything to do with it.

GTA1990

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thanks - yeah figured it was custom

Would be cool to find out the date of that pic - as per the above, clearly some LT1 DNA in that front clip - maybe GM liked what they saw here?

anyway, thanks for clearing the legitimacy of that up

scottmoyer

Without doing any research on the car itself, I would say it's an early car. Look at the CFI hood they used. If it was based on a newer car, I doubt they would have gone backwards to the 82-83 hood.

hairysox33

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Weird. Looks like that 1992 Camaro Concept. To be honest, the back of these cars look like Eagle Talons. Its just fugly......

Here:

FormerL69

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That picture looks almost identical to the Camaro GTZ concept from the mid 80s (which was sold as part of the GM Heritage Barrett Jackson auction):

http://www.supercars.net/cars/4354.html

Google "camaro gtz" and you'll get some good info.

I actually saw the GTZ at a Chevy/Vette fest in Chicago back in the day. Great looking car in person and a nice evolution of the 3rd gen styling.

The pace car picture is a bit confusing as the yellow GTZ is a one-off -- the only one ever built as far as I know. I doubt it ever hit the track.

The pace car in the photo certainly has very similar elements but looks to be a crude mock up of the GTZ. The hood is completely different (and doesn't line up with the front fascia at all) and the rockers aren't the same as the actual GTZ concept. Maybe the pace car picture is an early version of the GTZ that was later refined? No question the pace car above and the GTZ are very similar....

okfoz

PPG did many concept car pace cars back in the 80's, they usually were ahead on the design curve and made things very futuristic, and in many cases those ideas actually were implemented into later production cars. Little do people know that many concept cars were not made by GM, even the Pontiac Banchee from the 80's was made by C&C, not GM.

John

sonjaab

Heres another thread about that PPG pace car.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/memb...ml#post4764167

Its on flea-bay too: Got $64,000?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...fCarsQ5fTrucks

okfoz

The more I look at that car, the more it looks like a 4th gen. It appears that GM took just about everything from that car and put it on the 4th gen, changed it very little, the concave door shape, the headlights, the lack of fender flairs, the rear spoiler scream 4th Gen. This car had more influence on the 4th Gen design than any other concept I have seen up to date. Even the 1992 Camaro concept in post 7...

One thing that strikes me is the car is a silver in the first post, and definitely red in the ebay ad.

Also the wheels have been changed, they appear to be the Firebird 16" "GTA" style wheels.

KITT1983

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that is awesome car

GTA1990

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interesting thoughts guys

the more I look at the car (esp. the ebay pics) the more I think this can't be from the early 80's.

The GTA rims, the more pronounced coke bottle shape of the car, rear smoothed bumper and the 4th gen doors -

it's like a crystal ball into late 80s, 90s less angular styling...

Drew

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But those aren't GTA wheels... Look at the Ebay pics and you can see the bolts around the outside edge.

CamaroIROC88350

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I have an article about this on my website. It's a 1989 California Camaro IROC-Z Concept car. It was never put into production and no, it's not a Pace Car. It's very ugly and thank God they never did make it for mass production.

It was supposed to be a DOHC V6 engine with a 5 speed. The doors opened like a Lamborghini and it was going to be made to appeal to the West Coast folks back then.

D.ynamic

^^I actually bought a 2011 Camaro calendar a week ago with that 1989 California IROC-Z concept inside. If you think the exterior looks strange, then you should take a look at the interior, drivers side specifically. Has a sort of 'cockpit' vibe, and an equally strange dash, which I like. Image is tiny though.

http://img80.imageshack.us/i/img2011010600396.jpg/

http://img836.imageshack.us/i/img2011010600397.jpg/
(Sideways)

ev305tpi

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It's back up on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Ca...m=331733124687

BrutalGTA

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I like how the door handles are "sunken" in even though it's a wide body.
But the gas cap, tail lights, and bumpers kill it. Someone call Marty mcFly and get this thing outta here.

CPC Norwood

To bring clarity to the discussion I am going to post a picture from the Book I wrote on Norwood. Here are the two silver examples. The car nearest to the camera has mostly third generation styling with design concepts planned for later introduction. The design on the far end is a nod to future 4th generation styling. There were multiples produced in contrast to the claims made on EBay with respect to the maroon car.

This display was in plant at Norwood just outside the paintshop.

PurelyPMD

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Very cool!

Saxondale

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Pics for the History file

and Ebay description


1982 CHEVROLET PPG CAMARO

VIN# 1G1AP87H4CN110110

For serious Chevrolet collectors. The only Camaro of this kind ever built, this car is 1 of 1. Not to be confused with Indianapolis 500 replica pace cars. This Camaro was a joint venture between Chevrolet and Champcar, for the Champcar PPG Indycar Series.

Built in 1982 and used throughout the 1980’s, for display purposes and part of the PPG Pace Car Team of vehicles to pace all of the Indycar races throughout the Championship season.

Also, used for giving executive guests “hot-laps” around the circuit on race weekends. Complete steel custom hand made wide body, (pictures do no justice to the craftsmanship on this car) molded into the fenders and doors. The front bumper and fender are all one piece on this car! The Custom PPG Metallic paint. This car even has the original Goodyear Gatorback tires from 1982!

One of a kind car with racing history. 450 Horsepower 350ci Chevrolet V8 with roller rockers and other modifications. $350,000 in cost of build, in 1982! Only 4,176 original miles! This car has either been in storage, or on display at a race event all of its life! Please feel free to call with questions. Pictures do this car no justice and there is too much information to list about this car.

Engine and Mechanicals  Custom 350 V8 with roller rockers 450HP  Hurst shifter  Racing Fuel Cell  Onboard plumbed-in complete fire extinguisher system  Crowd control alarm  Kill Switch

Exterior  Full custom PPG Paint  Custom fabricated body panels  Strobe lights Interior  Both seats complete with 5-point racing harness  Roll-Bar

Saxondale

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subroc

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Interior is scarily similar to the interior i did up in my camaro.

okfoz

Although I have read several people say "GTA" Wheels... Those are not GTA rims.. They are similar but different enough to say no, not the Factory wheel.

PurelyPMD

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Those are BBS 2 or 3 piece wheels - you can see the logo cast between the two lugs on the upper left.