bjpotter

Barrett Jackson is selling a 1991 Camaro Z28 1LE this weekend. The owner bought it for his collection. It comes with the original window sticker, is radio delete and is an automatic.
Hope we see what the high end is of our 3rd Gen's. Beautiful car!

bjpotter

After looking closer it looks like it go's up for sale on Tuesday.

DynoDave43

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Time2Fly

This car is on the docket for Tuesday - lot 222, which is the first day Velocity will broadcast. Will definitely be watching this one - that car is a spitting image of mine! If I read the description correctly, it's a no reserve car. I predict somewhere between $15k - $20k.

scottmoyer

Why do you say that you want to see the high end for our cars and think this car would be that example? It's a low mile original car and a stripped model at that. There are other examples out there that may bring higher values. Remember, the 1LE is just a larger brake package on the front. If the engine was a higher horsepower or larger cubic inch than a regular Z28, it would definitely be a valuable car, but as it stands, the engine is the same as every other '91 Z28 and this one doesn't have AC or a radio.

eseibel67

Easy answer. The essence of a 1LE is that less is more - biggest engine and lowest weight. Should sell for a good buck:


http://www.barrettjackson.com/Events...RO-Z/28-180688

bjpotter

True, there are 3rd gens that are more rare, but the vast majority of us who own one, own a common car. This is more of a representation of what those cars are worth. Also this is a 100 mile car. How many of these still exist of any version of 3rd Gens?

KMK454

While a high optioned car can bring good money, the right low option car can as well. I'd rather have a zero option 1LE with a T5 versus a car loaded with all the 80s/90s gadgets and novelties of the time... and there are many others out there who prefer the low-option, all business sports cars.

Time2Fly

It went for a little more than I expected, in my opinion someone got a steal.

scottmoyer

My question was more in line with the comment "the high end of our 3rd gens". What makes this 1LE "the high end"? I would like to think the high end of our 3rd gens, is in line with the Firehawks and the TTA. Other variations of "high end" are usually referred to as the cars that come fully optioned out.

If people believe this is the "high end" and expect it to bring between $15k-$20k, as was mentioned above, then this is definitely not the "high end"!

DynoDave43

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Missed it. What did it sell for?

scottmoyer

$25,300

DynoDave43

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Thanks Scott.

bjpotter

I understand there is are a few very high end cars. (My vote would be for the last 3rd Gen with all the signatures!) This better represents the upper value of the rest of us. That seems to be a big question for a lot of people who come on this website. How rare, how valuable. 99% of the time they are not either.

Personally I'm glad they aren't too expensive. My wife would string me up if I bought a 3rd Gen Firehawk. As long as my car cost less than hers I'm in the clear.

eseibel67

That's it? Hope you got her in something good. Wish my deal was that simple!

bjpotter

Yeah. Even better, she hates driving my Bird. "It's too low". She's got her SUV, I got my Firebird. I only drive hers when she hears a new "Noise".

scottmoyer

Again, I have to disagree that this car represents the upper value of our cars. It sold for $25k! There was a 1990 1LE IROC-Z on eBay that sold for $40k just two weeks ago. I know of an '87 IROC-Z that sold for over $30k this past year. A low mile '87 IROC-Z sold for $20k in November. I mention the last one to say that if an '87 with miles sells for $20k, then a no mile '91 Z28, selling for $25k, does not represent the high end or upper end for 3rd gens.

bjpotter

I don't really watch Ebay cars all that much, nor did I know about the other sales. All I've been watching are the auction shows and their results.
Most cars do sell cheap at the auctions anyway. Only the most rare of cars go over much, and usually less than the seller really wanted.

okfoz

1992 Firebird VIN 00001 sold for around $30,000 a few years back... it is kind of a hit or miss.

You can buy Firehawk #11 on ebay right now (the real high end of third gens)

Bob88GTA

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And with 3-4 (TTA's)for sale on fleabay and auctions every week at ANY given time here lately, I'm not sure what to think of the "High End" values.

bjpotter

The price of cars varies though out the year as well. At 25,000 plus commission this car was a little less than those listed above. Being in the middle of winter could effect the price as well. Around Phoenix it wouldn't make much difference, but for anyone bidding from around the country, it might. Auction success requires at least 2 committed bidders to get the best price. Without that, you better have a reserve.

It's great to see a 3rd Gen preserved with so few miles. Glad someone has the ability and space to keep them this way. I, for one, will only have drivers. I'm close to retirement and am paring down those items and space I have.

Though a Firehawk would be nice, a formula and winters on the beach sound better. With the money I have in my Bird, my wife doesn't even complain when I spend money on her.

Bob88GTA

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^^^^^LOVE IT bj!

Phenom-1

Note to Self... Get Rich so I can buy them all and have my own F-Body Warehouse Museum so I can drool and Brag about them all day long

okfoz

Have you met T-towner?

Bob88GTA

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1991 Firehawk #6
1992 Firehawk #26
1992 IMSA Firehawk
1988 Players Challenge Camaro (1LE)
1988 Players Challange TransAm (1LE)
1989 1LE Camaro (Former Rick-A-Shay Race Car)
1990 1LE Camaro (1 of 34)
1991 1LE Camaro
1991 1LE Formula Firebird
1993 Cobra Mustang
1987 Mustang
1971 Cuda w/ 71 Hemi warranty engine
1955 Chevy Convertible (project car)
1986 FireAm TransAm (Last FireAm Built)

That's just Krayzy!!!!!

okfoz

I think that might not be the complete list, and I think he has sold a few of them. But still... He has his personal Museum... There was an article written about him not too long ago, been a few years.

Bob88GTA

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When I seen what you posted, I just did a search and he came up. I looked at the list and my mouth hit the keyboard! To say that it's not a complete list to date is just amazing.

I would love to read the article John.

Phenom-1

No

Time2Fly

Interesting that this person has chosen the balance of his collection to be made up of "low end" third gens.

scottmoyer

He made up his collection of low production, desirable cars. This does not make them the "high end" of value for our cars as the original poster stated. Most of his 1LE cars are original race cars. You can buy race cars for less than it's original sticker in most instances.

Just a reminder to those that don't know or remember Drew. He made it very clear that the 1LE was just a larger brake assembly on a stock car. It provided absolutely no engine performance over any other showroom car with the same engine. Many people have said the 1LE is like having a 1980/1990s COPO, but that isn't correct at all. The COPO cars of the 60s and 70s had engine upgrades not available on the standard order sheet. I would liken the B4C to be more like a COPO since the general public couldn't order the car and they were available with an engine/suspension option not available on the RS.

okfoz

Correct... I hate to say it, but the 1LE was a race package insofar as you could stop faster. Otherwise everything else was available on any 88-92 GTA, Formula, Trans Am, IROC or Z28 for that matter.

The COPO cars for our generation was the TTA and Firehawk. Unfortunately The Camaro never got anything even close to being similar for performance.

There is a guy I met at a car show that said for $750 + shipping he would send me a 1LE Front brake setup, he apparently makes them... I have thought about doing that for my 89 Formula 350 Convertible...

John

90 GTA Black

[QUOTE= I hate to say it, but the 1LE was a race package insofar as you could stop faster. Otherwise everything else was available on any 88-92 GTA, Formula, Trans Am, IROC or Z28 for that matter.

The COPO cars for our generation was the TTA and Firehawk. [/QUOTE]

1le had the baffled tank - only available with 1le until 90-92

I think of Firehawks as more like COPO cars since with the TTA you were very limited on options - ie. no 5 or 6 speed manual

okfoz

With the exception of 1988 & 1989 the 1LE was just a big front brake package? That is 144 cars between the two years.

John