3rdgenparts

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Whats going on these days ?? I guess we REALLY do have a drug epidemic in this country


It's a nice car, Just NOT $15K nice LMAO and it's missing the HTF Bowlin Ball Caps


Direct link:

https://waco.craigslist.org/cto/6215662895.html

jmd

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At least this seller knows what he is doing.
Pics aren't close enough to show any faults, swapped parts, dust, or much anything.
And, you don't want buyers to have to be bothered with paint flaws that just don't matter so shade all that nonsense.
Hope he makes 5 figures on it.

CPC Norwood

Hagerty and others have been pushing the third Gen "F" car as the next big thing in collector automobiles.

Late last year Bloomberg declared in an article that "the IROC Z Is Your Best Investment for a Classic Camaro".

Prices are rising accordingly and will do nothing but increase as the economy recovers.

I have watched this happen with the gen 1 and the gen 2 cars. It is our turn now.

Croz

dont fight it, embrace it! And hope you have one stashed away.......

ray jr

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i guess guys can ask what ever they want for there car , doesnt mean there going to get it .. at that price this car will sit forever .. there are way to many trans ams all over the country that are much better then this one and much cheaper and they just sit ..

mickey-d

With attitudes like these above...No wonder our cars never go up in value !!!

MY87LT

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That's why I bought my car for my pleasure with the intention of never selling it or keeping it as an investment. Besides, a lot of these Mecum mint cars end up sitting as a talking piece and not driven and enjoyed as they should be.


And...for $15,000, you can get yourself a decently nice C3 or C4 Corvette to compliment your F Body.

GTA1990

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May be a $15k car there but those pictures aren't helping showing it

Think those early birds deserve more respect

3rdgenparts

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I agree they do, I specialize in 82-84 birds. With that mileage, It's a $7-10K car PERIOD.

Missing hubcaps hurt the value also !!!


Looks to me like he's looking for the "Barret jackson" buyer $$$$


Dave

3rdgenparts

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Yup, that's it !!!

It's been on craigslist since March/April and price hasn't come down at all



Dave

MY87LT

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Talking from my personal experience, a star struck teen his going to beg is or her parents to buy them that "classic" and pay for it. It will become a restoration project until it becomes a nightmare and then they end up buying a Honda.

mickey-d

There's going to be a time sooner than you think, that you won't be able to find a 1982 Recaro Trans Am anywhere !!!

82tarecaro

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It's a nice car, but not worth that. I wish it was because I own a 1982 Recaro

ray jr

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nothing to do with attitude , just facts .. i buy and sell third gens and i cant give trans ams away .. and from the looks of what is online nobody has a whole lot of luck selling them ..

mickey-d

I'm not saying it's worth 15K, at least not at this point in time.
Just saying it's a very nice car !
Tired of always hearing that the only reason to own a third gen is because they are fun to drive!
OH, and I'll take all the trans ams you want to give away....

F-body-fan

Thats an almost twin to the 82 Recaro I had. mine was carb'd.

I would go look at it if it was half price. not saying its only worth $7500, but thats about all I personally would pay for one today unless it was stupid clean. I would love to own one again, but I don;t want one that bad....

15K buys you so many other low mile desirable 3rd gens. That 82 is sale proof at anything over 8-9K imo. I realize I haven't seen it in person but given the details I can see, it obviously needs some detail work at the very least & I wouldn't except the under hood & chassis to be all that clean seeing nothing else is...

I honestly don't think the seller is really trying to sell it. Just fish'in
Heck its a free add & you never know I suppose. You just run the risk of free advertising & criticism of your add on a 3rd gen forum dedicated to these cars.....

3rdgenparts

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It'll probably be worth $15K in 5-10 years if miles stay under 50K, Just not worth $15K now in 2017

And those missing BB caps are getting on my nerves lol. Those BLK/Gold '82's look soooooo nice with the caps on !!!

Dave

F-body-fan

The 2nd gen inspired S/E pinstripe bugs me almost as much

kentuckyKITT

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Nice car. The body looks straight, the paint is very reflective, the interior looks pretty good except for the weird latch mechanism on the console door. The carpet (what little you can see) actually looks good and so do the seats, dash pad and steering wheel. The caps are probably in the hatch or in a box somewhere and most likely there's only 3. Also, the spoiler and mirrors are still matte black which is extremely rare these days as they usually get painted gloss.

Looks like a pretty decent survivor to me. I don't know about 15k, but I like it!

3rdgenparts

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Yes, that also

KMK454

If its condition was concours mint and it had a manual transmission, I'd say it's an 10-15k car easy.

Hard to tell in these photos, though the one with the sunlight shining on it in the link shows the paint having some serious fade and swirling. This car needs some work if he wants to hit 10k.

vinny R

You guys know the most valuable piece of info we never get....the selling price. We only see what is asked so alot of these we see for sale, we don't know what the selling price is. It would be nice if there was a site that showed the selling price. I think the Haggerty valuation is the best out there. I did a quick one on this car and it said it ranged from about 4k for on the low end to a high end of 16k for Concourse. So for this one everyone is right. The 15k would be right if it were a low mile showroom car.
In "good" condition, that is what it looks like, not close to concourse, it lists at about 7k which is right around where the OP said it was worth.

okfoz

IT is amazing to me that people complain about the values going up. It is frustrating because there is more potential here than what is given credit. From my understanding the Mustang folks embrace the values, while the f-body folks just complain. I am thinking of buying a mustang just because the people that own then actually seem to like the cars.

ray jr

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i dont see anybody in this thread complaining about values going up .. a guy ask double of what others are offering there trans ams for and you think that means the values are going up .. i guess we can all dream ..

okfoz

The thing is, values will never go up if no one asks for a higher value. Most everyone here is saying the car is not worth it. Maybe you are right, but all that does is force values down. If we do not think the car is worth something then there is no reason to even entertain it. Unfortunately we go around saying "That car is only worth $5000 not $15000" Then hell we are going to be stuck in third gen purgatory with cheap cars that no one wants because even the people who are fans of the cars think they have no value.

CPC Norwood

This what he said...^

IMHO...

People looking to buy and or doing research to buy- are coming here to the history and originality part of the forum first.

The original cars are going to bring the investment money and the nostalgia buyer to the game.

If we are gonna call the game rigged car by car- or continually talk it down in this part of the forum these cars will stay stuck in the current type cast role of "parked in the carport of the mobile home park"--forever.

It does not need to be this way. There is no reason why there should not be a third gen display at every major car show but threads like this are not the way we get there folks.

scottmoyer

John's just impressed with the Mustang since he finally drove mine the other day!

But, I've been saying this same thing for years. We as a community need to stop with the price bashing. I listed my car last year for $34k and got berated by so many people that none of these cars are worth north of $20k. If Hagerty, magazines and many collector's seem to think they are, then why do we not think so. I listed my price where I did to keep only the most interested parties looking at it. Did I think I was going to get that price, no. But a collector would know to reach out and discuss prices with me that they thought were fair, and it kept the tire kickers away. Everybody seems to think that the entire US is Tijuana and all prices are severely negotiable. If I listed my car for $20k, I'd get offers around $14k to $15k. I'm not interested in wasting my time with that.

So, if you guys want to nitpick each car that is posted for a high price, go ahead. But, let's stop with the price challenging. Allow our values to go up and change what people think of these cars. The prices won't get to be 5x what the original sticker was, but they can increase to an acceptable amount.

chazman

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That is so true, John.

You'd never hear a Mustang guy call their car a "turd gen" or make m-u-l-le-t-t jokes about it.

Anyway, doesn't matter. The nice low milers are going up - and going up fairly briskly. And no one can stop that.

vinny R

This is so true. This is the "stigma" that we all as 3rd gen fans will fight until we and our children pass on. I don't know if it will ever go away. I feel this is the single most important part of this. The mustang boys the OP mentioned don't deal with this. As he said No Turd-Gen monikers over there. I for one follow the Haggerty evaluation as I feel they give you real world info to car condition, which, make no bones about it IS the final determining factor on worth. I do agree that we shouldn't "bash" cars for there asking price but some are so far off base that common sense can tell you the cars worth. I have always said that until the mentality about these cars change...purgatory here we stay.


When I bought my car I ran the Haggerty tool and it gave me a 7k value on my car. I just ran it this weekend and now it is 10k. I have had the car 2.5 yrs. I feel this is correct to what my car is truly worth. I feel these cars have value and should be selling for more as long as condition matches the price. IMHO

Croz

Like I said before....if we all want our cars to appreciate in value, we cant knock down a guys asking price. Maybe we do it as if we would be buying the car for ourselves and trying to make money on it.

As we find ads that are truthful, and represent the car well, then we need to start supporting it. On the other hand, for those guys that have the "ultra rare Camaro" or "special addition", or an " all original " that has been put together with 3 different vehicles, then call them out. There is nothing more I hate then someone who is dishonest when selling something. I believe buyers would come to this site to do research (I know I did) and if we can educate them a little on what to look for in a good car then it helps.

My very first post on here (how much $ is too much) I asked what people thought was a fair price. IF we are truly third gen enthusiasts, then lets be enthusiastic about it...............

Out-Cast

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Not to hijack know this thread, but you guys are referring to the Haggerty value of our 3rd Gens.
How do I go about entering my car and getting its appraised value?

KMK454

I agree that we need to embrace rising values and appreciation. However, the car in the original post needs at the very least a professional detail and possibly a paint correction to be in the 15k range. In it's current state, it's not a great example to make our case. But it has the potential...

vinny R

Yes I am. Go to Haggerty.com and click the valuation tool. Enter the info on your car and check the appropriate box for the condition of your car.

battmann

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I agree with scottmoyer - he's probably just asking $15k knowing someone is going to give him a lower offer. If you got this car for $8-$10k and repainted it you'd have a pretty nice car.

okfoz

Here is the thing, it appears to be an original paint car... for the sake of argument let us assume it is. So you have an original paint car, it shows no damage, it is faded from 35 years of use, but there is no rust either that I noticed in the posted pix.

Anyone can take a rustbucket, and throw bondo & paint on it to make it look really nice, BUT very few 3rd gens any more still dawn their original paint. I would rather have that car as it sits, than many of the perfect show cars that run around that you have no idea what is underneath.

Say what you want, it will be these cars that are faded original paint, and have the nice options like the Recaro and the better engine that will have the most value over an over restored resto-mod... Being an 82 Recaro this car in question might even have the Aluminum hood!!! Very well may be, and to have that, is worth its weight in gold.

Just because you would not pay for it, does not mean that someone that is actually serious about the hobby would not.

chazman

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It does look like original paint and it would be fun and satisfying correcting that paint and making it look magnificent again!

okfoz

What do you mean by "Correcting the paint"

chazman

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Paint Correction:


Paint correction is a term that is now commonly used by both professional car detailers and car cleaning enthusiasts worldwide to describe the process of restoring and rejuvenating the paintwork of a vehicle, mostly through the elimination of surface imperfections, that dull, oxidize, or haze the surface by reflecting light off in various directions.

okfoz

gotcha

F-body-fan

I have a few thoughts as I read everyone's opinions.


I think the OP was really not only the asking price, but the fact that the car is not being represented very well. Pictures are not great & from what we can see everyone agrees it needs to be detailed at the very least. to be asking 15K

As far as values, This comes up all the time & there is no question these cars are going up in value & people asking higher prices is part of the equation that makes the overall average prices go up.

I put my 87 Iroc away when it was maybe a $7000 car & there was one at every other street light. It was not worth 7K because it was a collector car, but rather because it was an 8 years old car that depreciated to that price range. The LT1 6 speed cars where now the ones to have & the 3rd gens were loosing popularity pretty fast. I watched my 87 sit in storage for the next decade & work its way down to the $4500 range. Made me kind of sad. The car didn't change but the market sure did. Around that time they bottomed out they have been steadily climbing up & now another 12 years has past, they have entered the collector car market & I am happy my car is worth more than when I put it way 20+ years ago.


personally , I absolutely love muscle cars & every one I own has a story behind it & that means as much to me as the cars themselves. Now, I would love to go back 15 years & buy up a few for investment purposes, but really the low mile, highly optioned original survivor cars were just Not for sale back then. They were all hidden away for a "rainy day" & didn't exist on the market as I recall.


Like mentioned above, its these example cars that are leading the market right now & those guys here who have these cars know this as well Collectors are starting to pay up for low mile examples & will sometimes over pay for ultra mile cars & that slowly drives up the values of the rest of the cars too. They're going up in value no matter what is said about them on this forum, but its still fair game to pick on the overpriced, or poorly represented ones.


Just Like PMD has always preached "buy them while you still can"

KMK454

I think we're arguing against different points. I agree with what you said above. My point is this car has the potential to command a high asking price, but in its current, easily correctible faded condition it is not there yet.

I'm not talking repaint. A paint correction on what is likely single stage original paint on the 1982 Trans Am means professionally buffing and detailing the car. I bet it can be restored to near-original shine without needing anything beyond touch up paint for chips. Clean the carpet and find a set of bowling ball caps (or at least get rid of the rust on the exposed hubs) and suddenly we're talking a $15k+ original paint survivor car.

chazman

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Exactly! Prepare and present that car like you really want to get that $15K!

DynoDave43

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Oh buddy, can I offer YOU an exciting weekend of work!

ray jr

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if the car looked like this we wouldnt be having this conversation .. and by the way a member on this site bought this car this year with 7k miles on it and payed alot less than this guy is asking ..

F-body-fan

Here's another perfect example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182680100448?ul_noapp=true

Might be showroom new, might be a mess?
Really can't tell anything except its black with gold trim, antenna is bent & I think I see t-tops.
Everything else is up to the imagination.

I know some people are not photographers, but these pictures don't tell a potential buyer very much at all

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F-body-fan

Was drooling over that thread. Beautiful car!

chazman

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Too bad you don't live closer, Dave! I need Scott Moyer to move near me. Everyone else is afraid to do PDR on a 3rd gen.

cuisinartvette

x2
esp on CL bottom of the barrel buyers there;never had any luck selling anything on there
If he asked 5500 he will get offers of 2k and a pair of dirty socks;it does look intact which is good but his presentation sucks I wouldnt make a trip.

What many miss is "Giving the buyer incentive to spend the money" . Dont know about you guys, but one liner ads, responses, no pics or a random text I dont bother with
Its like saying "hey what do you think of my hot wife" with no pics. Fkn a

DynoDave43

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My brother in Springfield found a local guy to go over his Porsche 914, with fantastic results. He said he was will to do the 914, because it had been repainted, but he wouldn't do a car that age (or mine's age) with factory paint. The clear is too thin for his liking.

IROCZ1989

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The thirdgens will never bring the money of previous generations, just never will. I for one dont want the values to go up much. Why? Investing in cars isnt a good investment by any means.That said. I bought my car to enjoy, not to sell years from now. You dont want the market to go so high that you cant even get parts or anything because this model went for x now everything to do with thirdgens is going to be expensive. Dont get me wrong there are some low mile nice thirdgens. But 25000 plus nice? No. Maybe the special editions or rare rpo's. If you keep hoping for prices and values to go up you might just price yourself right out of the market. Its fine where it is in the camaro world. To be honest if your going to drop alot of coin on a camaro the new stuff is where its at right now. If I had $30000 to spend it would go towards a ZL1, not a thirdgen. They just dont carry the collectors stigma the old stuff does, never will.