jkris53406

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https://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/d...356622803.html
Came across this browsing other cities.

Big&BadGTA

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looks good from here. Seems like a fair deal, if it's in good shape. Distributor cover missing from TPI, but a 5.0 TPI 5 Spd car, cool!

DynoDave43

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Seems like a good deal to me. Great combo...color, conv., powertrain.

burnout88

That's a cool bird. Might be a one off combo. Someone please buy that car and save it from falling into the wrong hands.

chazman

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Wow! Seems priced too low to me.

Ty92Z

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Thought the same, especially considering it's at a tote the note lot.

3rdgenparts

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Another Dealer "Spamming" other cities :/


The car is actually located in New Jersey


If the car is TRULY "Clean" and no rust, then YES I agree it's a VERY good deal @ that mileage and drivetrain combo !!!


Dave

TTOP350

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Was hoping nobody would have found this !! lol

navy02ws6

Ran the Carfax....salvage title.

3rdgenparts

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Ha !!!! figures to good to be true lol !!!


Not sure of auto sales laws in NJ But aren't they LEGALLY required to disclose its a salvage title car ??

Dave

Tibo

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May or may not mean anything. These cars have just begun to appreciate which means the 10 years prior they were worth 5K for a clean, lower mileage example. Some insurance companies total a car out at 65% of the value which would be $3250. Doesn't take much damage to get to that figure.

okfoz

Car was originally Red. Just an FYI

UB3 CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT(OIL,COOLANT TEMPERATURE,VOLTMETER,TACHOMETER,TRIP ODOMETER)(USED WITH DELUXE SPORT PKG W32) GA(UB3) 1,378
UQ1 RADIO,PROVISIONS FOR STEREO STEREO RDO PR0VISIONS(UQ1) 1,378
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U62 SPEAKER SYSTEM,4,DUAL COAX FRONT,DUAL COAX PACKAGE SHELF 4 SPKR SYS(U62) 1,378
U75 ANTENNA,POWER(CHROME) PWR ANT(EXPORT)(U75) 949
VAN PLANT CODE VAN NUYS, CA, CPC VAN NUYS,CA PLANT CODE(VAN) 1,378
V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73) 1,378
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WS6 PERFORMANCE PACKAGE,SPECIAL(MERCHANDISING OPTION) SPECIAL PERFORMANCE PKG(WS6) 373
Y83 TRANS AM PACKAGE(MERCHANDISING OPTION) TRANS AM(Y83) 548
1SC PACKAGE-OPTION 03 (1SC) 1,204
1SZ PACKAGE OPTION- (1SZ) 1,277
18P WHEEL COLOR,CHARCOAL METALLIC (18P) 730
19I INTERIOR TRIM COLOR (19I) 356
192 TRIM COMBINATION,BLACK LEATHER (192) 108
199 SEAT BELTS COLOR BLACK (19) (199) 356
41T VINYL TOP COLOR,BLACK (41T) 730
6ZX SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT LH SUSP(6ZX) 522
7ZX SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT RH SUSP(7ZX) 522
8NM SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR LH SUSP(8NM) 373
81Q MOLDING COLOR - BRIGHT RED (81Q) 529
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9NM SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR RH SUSP(9NM) 373
AAA Unknown 1,279
AJ3 RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT SEAT INFLATABLE DRIVER SI INFL RST SYS(AJ3) 1,378
AQ9 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,RECLINING"ULTIMA"INCLUDES SEAT ADJ(USED WITH TRANS AN Y84) RECL FRT BKT ST(AQ9) 395
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A31 WINDOW,ELECTRIC OPERATED,SIDE ELEC SI WDO(A31) 1,375
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B84 ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,BODY SIDE MOLDING(USED WITH APPEARANCE PACKAGE Z12) BODY SI MLDG(B84) 1,377
C60 AIR CONDITIONER,FRONT,MANUAL CONTROLS A/C MAN CONT(C60) 1,361
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D5V GEAR-SPEEDO DRIVEN (14085513) (D5V) 140
D8M SENSOR VEH SPD (10456087) (D8M) 154
E5Z ADAPTER - SPEEDO - DELETE 1,378
E9Z KEY - SPEEDO - DELETE 1,378
FE2 SUSPENSION SYSTEM,RIDE AND HANDLING(USED WITH PERFORMANCE PACKAGE WS6) RIDE & HANDLING SUSP(FE2) 373
GU4 AXLE,REAR,3.08 RATIO 3.08R(GU4) 140
G80 AXLE,REAR,POSITRACTION,LIMITED SLIP POSITRACTION L/SLIP R/AXL(G80) 559
IL2 TRIM,INTERIOR DESIGN (IL2) 395
J41 BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT DISC,REAR DRUM(CAST IRON) CAST IRON FRT DISC/RR DRUM BRK SYS(J41) 1,378
K34 CRUISE CONTROL,AUTOMATIC,ELECTRONIC CRCONT(K34) 1,292
K68 GENERATOR,105 AMPERE 105 AMP(K68) 548
LB9 ENGINE,5.0L(5.0F),V8 EFI CAR ONLY 5.0F(LB9) 548
MM5 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 5-SPEED PROVISIONS(MERCHANDISING OPTION) 5-SPD M/TRANS PROVISIONS(MM5) 154
M39 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 5-SPEED(BORG-WARNER) 5-SPD M/TRANS(M39) 140
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Big&BadGTA

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Ouch. That'll hurt

Tibo

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The arm rest/b pillar base panels by the back seat, are they stock or from a 4th gen or altered?

okfoz

They are stock. It was part of the convertible package with the Convertible.

Tibo

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I know the convertibles had different panels by the back seat, I have a 91 Camaro Convertible, those just look different then mine.

DynoDave43

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You're killin' the dream, man!

MrPackstin

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Wow, would stay away from this guy at all cost! Listed as "clean" title in the CL ad.

scooter

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I don't think so, you're not buying a house. It would be quickly evident though since it is a used car and you should be able to see the old title if you want and you can have the car inspected by another party before buying

zya5point0

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Can't believe that car was originally red. Don't see any evidence of masking or overspray under the hood, the doors and jams are done, even the underside of the hood. Who would do all that work to a 38,000 mile car and only sell it for 8500? Maybe they posted the wrong vin? It does say it has a 350 after all, lol.

scooter

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Either it actually is a repaint or the car isn't a 91, the Jamaica yellow was only available in 92

Tibo

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In almost every state you have to disclose if the vehicle has been branded salvaged or restored/rebuilt. If you don't and it's a private sale, every state is different but it's safe to say that the buyer can sue you for a refund of the difference in price between a clean titled car and a salvaged car or they can have the DA or DMV nullify the transaction and make you buy the car back.

My guess is we know and they know why it's only $8,500.... It has a salvage title and they know it won't pull the 15K it would have been worth.

okfoz

I do believe you have to disclose that it was a salvage title. It should be obvious, and labeled on the title, any more it is pretty difficult to dodge it with the title stating "salvage" or "Rebuilt". Now if it was ever in an accident? I do not believe you have to disclose unless they ask, even a dealer does not have to disclose unless asked. Since someone went through a ton of work making this into a Yellow Trans Am, I have my suspicions to why. And to paint everything pretty much correct to boot.

Big&BadGTA

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Titles are "washed" every day, especially when run through states which don't require a title.

Take that car through Alabama, for example, and a registration with Bill of Sale is all which is needed for transfer.

Good catch on the color change. It looked good in pics, except the hood to nose/fr. fascia alignment. I am sure in person, the car has telltale signs.

scooter

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That's a good point.

I am almost positive NJ does not have a law like that. I know people the buy and sell a lot of cars and I have never heard them mention anything like that

scottmoyer

This is straight from New Jersey's Office of the Attorney General:

"It is not illegal to sell a vehicle with either a flood or salvage title, but specific requirements exist to ensure the status of such vehicles is disclosed to potential purchasers.

“Anyone who attempts to hide the fact that a car or truck has a flood-damaged or salvage title from potential buyers is breaking the law,” Attorney General Jeffrey S. Chiesa said. “We will go after those who attempt to enrich themselves by defrauding consumers into believing a vehicle is problem free when, in fact, is has a flood-damaged or salvage title.”

If a motor vehicle has suffered sufficient damage to render it economically impractical to repair or has been rendered a total loss by an insurer, the person in possession of the certificate of ownership (or “title”) for the vehicle is required, by law, to surrender the title to the MVC. The MVC will then issue a salvage title for that vehicle. Salvage vehicles cannot be registered for the purpose of being driven on the public highways of New Jersey except for the purpose of going to and from an inspection appointment at a Motor Vehicle Commission facility. (N.J.A.C. 13:21-22.6.)

It is against the law to sell or transfer ownership of a salvage motor vehicle except as a salvage motor vehicle with a salvage title, unless the vehicle is repaired and inspected by the Motor Vehicle Commission. (N.J.A.C. 13:21-22.5.)
The owner of a vehicle damaged by flood, but not rendered economically impractical to repair or not rendered a total loss by an insurer, must place the phrase “Flood Vehicle” on the title, assignment of certificate of ownership (title), or manufacturer’s statement of origin if a new vehicle, directly below the word “Status.” All subsequent titles shall be so noted. Vehicles damaged by flood will not be registered unless the application for registration is accompanied by the appropriately noted certificate of ownership. (N.J.A.C. 13:21-5.6, -5.7.)"

scooter

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Says hide, not disclose up front. Like I said, I don't believe you have to tell them, it is visible on the title if it is still there. You're always free to do your own VIN search before you buy. Like I said, you're not buying a house. When you sell a house you have to disclose stuff like people have died in the house, it's not the same stuff with cars, at least not here from what I have seen.
This car may have been a salvage and have been "cleared" of that status now, and that info won't be shown anywhere except a VIN search. "unless the vehicle is repaired and inspected by the Motor Vehicle Commission. (N.J.A.C. 13:21-22.5.) "

TTOP350

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I know its a technicality but i've seen a few with build dates of 91.

bjpotter

Although this car is in NJ, you have to wonder about all the cars trashed by the hurricanes and flooding throughout the south. If not turned into insurance, there is no way of knowing what the car has been through. Any car from Florida, Texas etc, is suspect right now.

scooter

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I think mine is a build date in 91, but it is a 92, from the factory and would state as such on the title. No getting around it, JY was only a 92 color

jkris53406

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I'm afraid those cars will be suspect a long time

rarebmx

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Agree 100%

rarebmx

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This change everything

Tibo

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I think you need to be much more careful of what you write online or at least clarify if you are trying to debate the existence of some grey legal area. If you are trying to advise an unknown future reader of this thread that they can sell a salvage titled vehicle without blatantly telling the owner it's salvage that's your prerogative. However, I highly advise you or anyone else speak to a lawyer about the specific law in your state because the repercussions could far outweigh any potential gain.

I believe you may be conflating a salvaged title with a mechanical issue/lemon laws.

okfoz

I know dealers do not have to disclose anything to you except for title issue. Today it is a selling gimmick to get a carfax as those are not complete. I have VINs from cars in junkyards, some were burnt to a crisp, and there is no salvage title, or any mention of the fire.

In Michigan, I think it is 7 years and a car no longer gets a new title when it is totaled. In 2015 when my wife was in an accident that totaled my 2005 Buick Rainier, I still have the original Clean title, and the car.

scooter

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LMAO. I am not advising anyone, and I am not confusing anything. I live in NJ and I know people that deal with used cars all day long.... Again, Hiding the fact that it is a salvage is a crime, not disclosing when the person is looking at it is not required. This is not house buying where you have to put all that up front. I am just stating what I have seen, and someone posted that statute, pretty clear to me. Most people DO disclose the salvage title up front, and that is great, but there are a lot of crappy people out there too, that is why YOU have to do your diligence and look on your own, that is why tools like Carfax are out there.

3rdgenparts

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You read my mind !!!


Dave

scottmoyer

Carfax is a joke. I think that's what John was saying. I recently bought a 2016 car with 5k miles on it and it had a clean carfax. Guess what? The car had been wrecked and repainted. They did a great job hiding the repaint, but I found it. I made the dealer buy it back! It was then sold at auction and reappeared at another dealership, with a clean carfax!!!!

Tibo

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Lots of repair facilities in the 90s and 2000s didn't keep electronic databases of work they had done. Much of it was hand written receipts, electronic typewriter or a simple MS word document or the like. No chance of those transactions making it into carfax. There are still a number of shops by me that have no electronic database. There will always be plenty of single driver incidents or even two car collisions that are handled as cash on the side. None of that gets reported. It could even be a flood car but if the car isn't reported to insurance, no one would know.

blacksunshine'91

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So what is the best way to verify a clean title. For me, I'd like to verify my '92 that was previously titled in Florida and Colorado.

Tibo

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Only surefire way is to have the underside of the chassis measured to investigate any evidence of major past collisions and to pull off trim and look for a color change or look on the backside of panels for a different color or a junkyard designation.

scooter

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Exactly, or some police and fire departments will report to Carfax. One of my cars had a fire and the department wanted the VIN since it was not readable on the car. They said not to worry about it since I didn't have the registration