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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles

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Did he order a DX3? I don't necessarily disagree. I thought the graphics were tacky back in the day and if no DX3, I would have simply removed them. But as mentioned, non-enthusiast buyers, expect to see those graphics today.
I did not ask him. You know hindsight is always 20/20 vision.
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I think that because these cars are still underappreciated, now is not the time to sell. Now is the time to buy in anticipation of a booming market.

DX3 is cool to us, but to the random Joe Dork, they want an Iroc that's an IROCZ.

It could sell well under what it should sell for.
I totally agree here.
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It is wrong, but slapping a set of door decals on a DX3 car would probably make it sell higher at auction. Just like the giant flaming turkey makes the 70's Trans Am, the door decals make an Iroc. Anyone interested in buying an Iroc doesn't give a rip about the trashy stereotype, they're BUYING the trashy stereotype.
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RPO DX3 was a pretty common RPO in 1989 right?
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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles

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It is wrong, but slapping a set of door decals on a DX3 car would probably make it sell higher at auction. Just like the giant flaming turkey makes the 70's Trans Am, the door decals make an Iroc. Anyone interested in buying an Iroc doesn't give a rip about the trashy stereotype, they're BUYING the trashy stereotype.
i agree 100 percent .. most have no idea about the dx3 option and when you see a iroc without decals a lot assume its a repaint right off the bat .. i think the decals is what makes the iroc what it is , if not might as well go get a cheap rs ..
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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles

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RPO DX3 was a pretty common RPO in 1989 right?

I believe around 1500? I haven't seen any definitive numbers, though. One thing for sure, the dealers around here knew nothing about it.
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I believe around 1500? I haven't seen any definitive numbers, though. One thing for sure, the dealers around here knew nothing about it.
The figures I found online for 1989's with RPO DX3 are 88,104 ............but I find this number hard to believe.....maybe it's a total for all Chevrolet cars in 89 with RPO DX3 ??

http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro89.html

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The figures I found online for 1989's with RPO DX3 are 88,104 ............but I find this number hard to believe.....maybe it's a total for all Chevrolet cars in 89 with RPO DX3 ??

http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro89.html

Yeah, that's wrong. They only made like 20K IROCs that year.
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I'm not sure I totally agree with you....yes, I think these cars are typically under valued, however, this is a "one-off" car.
An extremely low mile original that is practically impossible to find another one with similar or fewer miles. It will bring a "one-off" price
not typical to other low mile IROC's with say 2,000 to 10,000 miles - IMO, you would do better selling it at the Dana Mecum Kissimmee Auction in January.
I think that venue has more third gen buyers then the BJ auction. GLWS, I will be interested to see what it sells for !!
i like the mecum auctions for third gens also and think this car would do well there and probably get close to 30k there ..
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Yeah, that's wrong. They only made like 20K IROCs that year.
I know and the site indicates the accurate number of IROCS made in 89 - that is why I'm thinking the number for DX3 applies to all models for 89.
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I know and the site indicates the accurate number of IROCS made in 89 - that is why I'm thinking the number for DX3 applies to all models for 89.
DX3 was only available on IROC-Z from '88 to '90.

I had a conversation with someone on the F-car program back in the day. He was surprised that DX3 wasn't more popular. I told him you practically had to fight with the sales person to order it!
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DX3 was only available on IROC-Z from '88 to '90.

I had a conversation with someone on the F-car program back in the day. He was surprised that DX3 wasn't more popular. I told him you practically had to fight with the sales person to order it!
I'd bet if you researched it further, DX3 was an option available on other models in 89 as well
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I'd bet if you researched it further, DX3 was an option available on other models in 89 as well
You mean other Camaros?
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You mean other Camaros?
I mean the entire model line up for 89 - all the 89 models, this is the only way to explain such a high number of cars with RPO DX3 in 1989
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Old 12-04-2018, 02:26 PM
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The 88,000 figure comes from the Camaro white book by Antonik. GM cites it as a reference source as part of the heritage packet.

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The 88,000 figure comes from the Camaro white book by Antonik. GM cites it as a reference source as part of the heritage packet.
I'm having a hard time buying into the fact 88,000 Camaros in 1989 had RPO DX3.......I just dont see that being accurate, no matter where the figure comes from
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I'm having a hard time buying into the fact 88,000 Camaros in 1989 had RPO DX3.......I just dont see that being accurate, no matter where the figure comes from
It's a bogus number which probably includes other things. Disregard it.
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I see that, so where does that number come from? There were 20,067 IROC-Zs built in '89, with a total production of 110,739 Camaros. The 83,487 RSs didn't have factory graphics to delete. So it's a bogus number that someone plugged in there for whatever reason and it stuck.
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I see that, so where does that number come from? There were 20,067 IROC-Zs built in '89, with a total production of 110,739 Camaros. The 83,487 RSs didn't have factory graphics to delete. So it's a bogus number that someone plugged in there for whatever reason and it stuck.
I agree, maybe it was a typo? ....8,144 would be more believable
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I agree. Of the IROC cars that were on the lot at the dealer where this car was ordered I would bet a 3rd of them were DX3 ordered.

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I agree, maybe it was a typo? ....8,144 would be more believable
Even that's too much. That would be like 40% of IROCs and we know that's not true.
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On a related note, I won't go back and look up the actual number, but one year they had something like 120,000 Iron Duke Camaros listed in production numbers. Obviously incorrect. But the way that number was arrived at was, they included 2.5L Iron Duke and 2.8L V6 production in that number, because you needed to do a V6 delete to get an Iron Duke, or something along those lines.

That 80K DX3 number is probably based on some random erroneous option or package and just plugged in.
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Since the Z28 and the RS were both running down the same assembly line, it's possible that the DX3 code was applied to the RS models. I haven't located an RS build sheet to prove that theory, but it makes sense since this was the first year that the two cars, both with the same monochromatic ground effects, went down the line together. There were 86,732 RS coupe and convertibles built.
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I prefer the “back” IROC-Z decals b/c they’re farther from the little rocker emblems so yes less “redundancy” as this collector noted, and also to my mind a “faster” location since the sizeable letters are adding “weight” at the back of the doors- almost as if they are pushed by speed to their maximum location lol. Of course as an ‘89 owner I’m biased. If I owned and adored an ‘87 I’d maybe prefer the “classic” look. ‘85-’87 it’s IROC-Z right up near Z-28 rocker emblems too so there isn’t really any redundancy problem either.

As for the rims there’s more metallic to contrast against any body color on an ‘88-90. However against red or yellow or blue the dark inserts on the ‘85-‘87 rims could be viewed as a plus.

All-in-all the ‘85-‘87 vs ‘88-90 decal location and rims thing is such an eye of the beholder issue. Neither is outright clearly superior.

In regard of selling this “all-original” car I wonder how many portential buyers would want to keep DX3 integrity for full accuracy/originality. I definitely would.
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This collector also has an eye for design. He also explained the decal was likely moved to the rear of the door due to the fact that having it directly above the ground effects where it already had a name plate that said IROC-Z was an attempt to look less obvious that you were duplicating the option announcement.
Its a pretty minor difference, but I can see it both ways. Whoever repainted my 88 used the incorrect Z/28 callouts on the ground effects. I bought IROC-Z replacements with the intention of installing the correct decals, but ultimately changed only the rear bumper decal. I know its not correct, but it seems kind of silly to see IROC-Z emblazoned TWICE on the sides.

Ive kept the decals, just in case I change my mind... but the only people ever to have pointed out the error are folks on this forum. I suspect even most enthusiasts, unless theyre really into the Thirdgen F-body even know.
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When I painted my 89, I put Z28 emblems back on. I always loved the z28, and didn't like how the 88-90 didn't have any badging for the z28 other than the dash.

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I very slightly prefer that too, although the rocker emblems are pretty small font either way.
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Btw that is one clean machine!

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Btw that is one clean machine!
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I always thought it would have been cool if IROC-Z was just on the bumper and Z28 on the side..
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Update: The car will cross the block on Wednesday afternoon right about the start of live TV coverage at LOT 442.1
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Update: The car will cross the block on Wednesday afternoon right about the start of live TV coverage at LOT 442.1
Thanks for the update - I will be very interested to see what it goes for, IMO somewhere around $36K....but who knows?....I'm certain it will sell
and I'm sure you will do very well - GLWS !!
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Good luck!
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I hope somebody grabs a video of it.
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Update: The car will cross the block on Wednesday afternoon right about the start of live TV coverage at LOT 442.1
Jan 16th I have a meeting in Tucson. I was planning on being there live but it looks like I will miss it. 🙁
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Reliable has the car today. Next stop Further North for Two COPO cars then a Shelby, a Demon and then the GM show cars in Detroit. That is his load for Barrett-Jackson.


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Such a cool car! Are you sure you don't want to keep it, Phil?
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Such a cool car! Are you sure you don't want to keep it, Phil?
Seriously.. could end up being one of those stories that you end up telling of a super rare car that you owned and flipped and people will be like, “Man, why didn’t you keep it!”

I wouldn’t be a buyer for a car like that, but if I owned one it’d be hard to sell it..
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Id have to get it into my house and into its own room like that GN in Black Air somehow - so I could never ever drive it, even if I wanted to lol
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I cant wait to see what it brings. Such a nice car.
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Such a cool car! Are you sure you don't want to keep it, Phil?
I did consider keeping it. In the final analysis I think now is a good time to try to impact the market in a way that will bring attention to the gen 3 cars, stimulate restoration, and media interest.

There are a good number of Gen 3 cars for sale at Barrett-Jackson this year, all at no reserve. For the folks taking the risk- (alongside me) my hat is off to them.

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I did consider keeping it. In the final analysis I think now is a good time to try to impact the market in a way that will bring attention to the gen 3 cars, stimulate restoration, and media interest.

There are a good number of Gen 3 cars for sale at Barrett-Jackson this year, all at no reserve. For the folks taking the risk- (alongside me) my hat is off to them.

A high tide raises all boats. Let's sell the car!
GLWS - I'm sure it will bring good $$$ (my guess is still low to mid $30's)- however, IMO, a couple 3rd gens at auction are not going to "impact the market" for 3rd gens.
It will take consistent value increases on 3rd gens over several years to "impact" the 3rd gen market - and I think we will see that starting soon
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Ok mid 30s then... this brings me back to the 2016 event on a1990 car with 204 miles. Car was dirty and we are talking 2016 prices here. I thought... $27.000 is the number here I looked at all the value guides and considered bidding myself

I was only off by $23,000 on my guess LOL

Now it is 2019 and admittedly prices for the good cars have nearly doubled since.

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Ok mid 30s then... this brings me back to the 2016 event on a1990 car with 204 miles. Car was dirty and we are talking 2016 prices here. I thought... $27.000 is the number here I looked at all the value guides and considered bidding myself

I was only off by $23,000 on my guess LOL

Now it is 2019 and admittedly prices for the good cars have nearly doubled since.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...IROC-Z--189530
IMO, you cant compare your IROC to a 1990 1LE that is 1 of only 34 made......it's like comparing a 69 Mustang mach one to a 69 Mustang Boss 429 - huge difference in price !!
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IMO, you cant compare your IROC to a 1990 1LE that is 1 of only 34 made......it's like comparing a 69 Mustang mach one to a 69 Mustang Boss 429 - huge difference in price !!
You might not be able to do a 1 for 1 comparison, but the low miles will drive up the price. As we've discussed many times, the 1LE isn't anything special in comparison to your analogy. A '69 Mach 1 and a '69 Boss 429 have major performance differences in the engine area. The 1LE had the same engine and trans that thousands of other cars have. It also has the same suspension that ALL of the IROC-Zs had. So, the chances of this car seeing $50k is low because the buyers desire the over marketed 1LE, but the chances of it selling higher than the rest is good because of the low miles and the fact that it has the 350.
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You might not be able to do a 1 for 1 comparison, but the low miles will drive up the price. As we've discussed many times, the 1LE isn't anything special in comparison to your analogy. A '69 Mach 1 and a '69 Boss 429 have major performance differences in the engine area. The 1LE had the same engine and trans that thousands of other cars have. It also has the same suspension that ALL of the IROC-Zs had. So, the chances of this car seeing $50k is low because the buyers desire the over marketed 1LE, but the chances of it selling higher than the rest is good because of the low miles and the fact that it has the 350.
Scott, the collectors that pay the big $$$ for these cars want limited production cars (the lower the number made the better) it's got almost nothing to do with
performance for this group of collectors, it's strictly a status of saying I own an ultra low mile original 1 of X made (when X = less then 100). IMO, that is what drives the price on these cars,
not any performance options - they made a bunch of 89 IROC Z cars and I realize this one is very special in that its ULTRA low mile original but the high production numbers of this car
will keep in down in price - thats just my opinion - like I said, GLWS !!
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The comparison is ultra low miles. You would have to admit that many low mile 1LE cars are sitting in collections right now.

Now how many 89 IROC Zs like the one I am selling are in existence anyplace in the world with 344 or less original miles?

1-5? Less than 5? Perhaps only 1?

So the question is which cars got saved, more often and what is really more rare?
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anyone know what it cost to do this whole barrett jackson experience ? just curious how much the seller actually makes selling it at the auction compared to something like ebay ..
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