t_towner

Has anyone seen an 1988 1LE or know where one is at? Old pics?

okfoz

Good luck with that one.

IIRC There were 4 Camaro's and 3 Trans Am's in 1988 1LE's

John

t_towner

Surly someone knows where one is setting or has some old pic's/info?

scottmoyer

I heard one was being restored by a Camaro collector in Atlanta. Years ago, someone posted pics of it on here outside his shop.

BTW, nice collection of toys you have there!!!

Mark_ZZ3

Wasn't the 89 on ebay a short while ago?

Mark.

t_towner

Yea, just snagged the 89 1LE off ebay. It was built by Rick Shay...the same guy who built the IMSA Firehawk. Rick purchased it new and walked it down the assembly line. It's also got some impressive race history.

Mark_ZZ3

Cool .. the racing history certainly makes the car. Both my TA's were raced. My 1988 came off the assembly line with 1LE brakes too! Before 1LE was introduced.

Mark.

FrankieRider2

I have photos somewhere of one of the '88 Trans Am 1LEs. It was sold new at the old Sidney Moncrief Pontiac/GMC in Sherwood, AR and at the time was stock except for a Hurst shifter. It was white with the white PW7 cross-lace rims.

I could have bought it for around $10K at the time.... it was being stored/brokered by a guy I used to buy F-body parts from. Later on a friend and I saw it at Dayton at the T/A Nationals and the wheels had been changed to the black cross-lace PW7s.

t_towner

Man, I'd love to see some photos of the car if you can dig them out and scan 'em in!

I've tried to search through the forums but can't seem to find any old photos.....

JohnC

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In 1988, there were 4 Camaro 1LEs. 2 stripped down option, all go cars, and 2 "executive race cars". These two had all power options except power antenna and all of the performance options of a 1LE. They were apparently given to high ranking GM execs. 1 of each has been crushed/no longer in existance. I know where the remaining executive race car is at....More info to come on that.


EDIT: T_Towner, I gotta say, you have a pretty impressive collection of cars

gearhead0384

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I am going to second!! I am stunned at your collection you have

Kevin

bsmtech

My name is Scott Southers and we built all the factory race 1LE's F- bodys for GM. Rick A Shay and I are still friends today. I built most of the cars at TDM or W2W through the 80's and 90's. It was a great time and we were successful in the IMSA Firehawk series and SCCA series. We even had Tom Goad, Dougie's father driving for a while. This was all headed by Jeff Bietzel who has now passed away last fall a friend and great mentor to me and many others!! I still enjoy driving the 3rd gens. www.bsmtech.com

SmokeShow

any chance you could post those photo's? I'd love to see what you got

Krik

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t_towner and I both live in Tulsa, and between the two of us we have 7 1LEs

heeh I thought it was funny anyway. My car was raced in SCCA events. I am going to meet the previous owner/driver this weekend.

P.S. I have another friend 1 town over that has an 1LE/B4C car, never raced and never put into service.

t_towner

Cool, so your the one that ended up w Randy's car. Its a nice car that was well taken care of.

How does Chris like the B4C? Is it as nice as it looked on Ebay? I'm hoping he will stop by the office with it sometime.

Krik

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Yes, I purhased Randy's car from Sam in Dallas. It was DOA when i got there and I had to trailer it back. I am going to meet with Randy this weekend and he wants to see the car again. I think he has some K and Ns hes going to let me have too.

Chris got the B4C car yeah, it looks sweet. It has a Chevrolet light bar thats as nice as it could ever be. The light bar has never been installed so it is nice to look at, but its not even close to functional at this point.

My name is Chris as well and I would like to swing by your shop. Where is it? PM it to me if its top secret.

F-Smalley

Does anyone know where the last Firehawk series car is that Rick-A-Shay built?

t_towner

Do you mean the 93 4th gen cars or the Vipers that Rick built? There's a 93 IMSA car back east.

F-Smalley

Good answer! It's for sale. The car has been in storage since it was banned from the series. The car was sitting on jack stands since I bought it from Rick Shay in 2003 and I've had it in storage since. I have too many cars and wife says it needs to go...

Krik

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So you ask if anyone knows where your car is?

cigarete

Came across your thread and had some questions....I owned a 1988 Iroc that was always "a little different". The person I purchased the car from said he thought it was a Police package car that ended up in a dealership. It was fully loaded, T-tops, 350 TPI, 4 wheel disks. 700R4. When I wanted to change rear end gears to 411 no parts matched up. After some research, I found this rear end was produced in Australia and was "Special Edition". Codes printed in the glove box never matched up to chevys 88 Camaro codes, but did match 88 Vette Codes? Any chance this was a 1LE? What are the tell tale signs?

scottmoyer

Your car sounds like a typical 350 Camaro. Th ereason nothing came up on the gears is because there wasn't a 4 series rear end in 1988. You would have had to upgrade the entire rear for the 4.10s. All 350 based Camaros during the 80s had the 700r4. All 1988 performance rear ends were built by Borg-Warner in Australia. I can pretty much guarantee you that it was not a 1LE. Police "Package" cars came in the 90s, not the 80s.

Drew

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I'm with Scott on this one... Everything you describe is typical for 88, including the Borg Warner 9 bolt.

The tell tale signs of a 1LE are no A/C, and dual piston front brake calipers.

slickmainer

There appears to be one in Maine. $15,000 obo

http://www.thebiglot.com/ad_auto.asp...1&PL=0&RD=300&

ad says
10,000 original miles; One of Four that were built for racing purposes, but it was never raced. Stored in heated garage; Very Well Maintained; Factory Installed Hyper-Chip; All stock parts included (still in original packaging)
Doors: 2 Engine: 8 Cylinder Transmission: 5-Speed Exterior: White Interior: Charcoal

t_towner

I sent an email in to request the vin. All info I have says the one 5 speed car was a red car.

I seriously doubt its a 1LE but it could be a players car? There were also several cars built w/o AC back in 88 and they did not come w PBR brakes, nor the 1LE package.

scottmoyer

I also sent them an email asking for more details. This car has fog lights also. Of the 4 cars built, I had heard that 2 of them came equipped with AC and fog lights. I agree with t-towner that the car is more than likely a Players car being that it's currently in Maine. We'll see if they respond. Also, knowing the car is one of 4 and only has 10k miles would command much more than $15k so I believe the car isn't really a 1LE.

Krik

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Still looking for the elusive one?? Glad to see you are.

Mark_ZZ3

All 1988 Players' Camaros came with Fog Lights (RPO T96).

I have all the RPO codes for ALL Player's Camaros as well as VINs. PM me with the VIN when you get it and I will confirm for you.

Mark.

F-Smalley

Here Is the 93 Body Rick A Shay car. I just put it on E-bay. I put the info together on the car along with Rick's help. Let me know if anyone has other information about the car. Thanks!!

Frank http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...%3AMESELX%3AIT

ajmclean

there was a 1988 Trans am 1le on ebay about a month ago, i think this is one of the pics.

okfoz

Anyone still have a link to the ebay 1LE trans AM? Sometimes the information is still there even after the end of the auction. Time is of the essence tho

thanks


John

Twin_Turbo

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here ya go

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ponti...#ht_500wt_1182

question, if you ordered a lb9/5 speed with the g92 axle and AC delete, wouldn't you get an 1le by default?? Mine is a canada export but isn't an 1le, doesn't have the alu prop shaft or the pbr brakes.....

okfoz

Thanks for the link...
Twin Turbo,
What exactly is your question? I would need to know more about your car to make any kind of determination.

I do not believe that the 1LE was available with the L98 in 1988 IIRC.

Twin_Turbo

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It's an 88, not the 87 350 in my details. it's a LB9 w 5.5K redline, 5 speed transmission, GM3 G80 G92 Axle, J65 brakes, AC delete, manual everything except for power windows (not even power locks) yet it's not an 1LE. Very weird.

This is the RPO list
AR9: SEAT, FRT BKT, EUROPEAN STYLE, PASS A DRIVER RECL
A01: WINDOW, TINTED, ALL SHADED, W/S
A31: WINDOW, POWER OPERATED, SIDE
A90: LOCK CONTROL, RR COMPT LID, REM CONT ELEC RELEASE
B34: COVERING, FRT FLOOR MATS CARPETED INSERT
B35: COVERING, REAR, FLOOR MATS CARPETED INSERT
B6Q: DECAL PACKAGE, 02
CD4: WIPER SYSTEM WINDSHIELD, PULSE
C41: HVAC SYSTEM, HEATER OUTSIDE AIR, WITH FAN
C49: DEFOGGER, RR WINDOW, ELECTRIC
C95: LAMP, INTR, ROOF, COURTESY AND DUAL READING
D34: MIRROR, VISOR VANITY
D35: MIRROR, OUTSIDE REAR VIEW
D7J: GEAR, SPEEDO DRIVEN
D80: SPOILER, RR END PNL
D88: DECAL, STRIPE, SPORT
E5Z: SPEEDOMETER ADAPTER (DELETE)
E7Z: SENSOR VEH SPD (DELETE)
E9Z: SPEEDOMETER KEY (DELETE)
FE2: SUSPENSION SYSTEM, RIDE HANDLING
GM3: AXLE REAR, 3.45 RATIO
G80: AXLE POSITRACTION, LIMITED SLIP
G92: AXLE REAR RATIO, PERFORMANCE
J65: BRAKE SYSTEM, PWR, FRT & RR DISC
KC4: COOLING SYSTEM, ENG OIL
K68: GENERATOR,105 AMP
LB9: ENGINE, GAS, 8 CYL, 5.0L, TPI, HO
MK6: TRANSMISSION, MAN 5 SPD, B0RG WARNER, 2.95 1ST, O/D
MM5: MERCHANDISED TRANS, MAN 5 SPD PROVISIONS
NA5: EMISSION SYSTEM, FEDERAL, TIER O
NP5: LEATHER WRAPPED, STEERING WHEEL AND SHIFT ****
N33: STEERING COLUMN, TILT TYPE
N65: WHEEL & TIRE,SPARE, SPACE SAVER, STEEL
N96: WHEEL, 16 X 8, CAST ALUMINUM
PB4: LOCK CONTROL, WHEEL
QDZ: TIRE ALL, P245/50VR16/N BL R/PE ST TL HW4
TR9: LAMP, GROUP
TT4: HEADLAMPS, HALOGEN, 4
T93: TAIL & STOP LAMP, SMOKED
T96: LAMP, FOG
UM6: RADIO, AM/FM STEREO, SEEK/SCAN, AUTO REV CASS,
UQ1: RADIO PROVISIONS, FOR STEREO
U25: LAMP, INTR, RR COMPT, COURTESY
U26: LAMP, INTR, ENG COMPT, COURTESY
U29: LAMP, INTR I/P, COURTESY
U79: SPEAKER SYSTEM, 4, DUAL FRT COAX, DUAL EXT RGE PKG
VAN: ASSEMBLY PLANT, VAN NUYS, CA
VK3: LICENSE PLATE, FRT MOUNTING PKG
V73: ANTENNA, FIXED
WW1: APPEARANCE PACKAGE(WHITE), AERO #l
W62: ORNAMENTATION, AERO PACKAGE
X06: CANADIAN GROUP
Z28: MERCHANDISED PKG, SPECIAL PERFORMANCE
Z31: ADVANCE PRICE SHEET
Z49: EXPORT, CANADIAN MODIF MANDATORY BASE EOUIP
15P: WHEEL COLOR SILVER METALLIC
40U: PRIMARY COLOR, EXTERIOR, WHITE
6DB: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, FRONT, LEFT HAND
7DB: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, FRONT, RIGHT HAND
8NL: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, REAR, RIGHT HAND
82B: TRIM COMBINATION, CLOTH, MED DK GRAY
82I: INTERIOR TRIM, MED DK GRAY (91)
829: SEAT BELT COLOR, MED DK GRAY (91)
9NL: COMPUTER SELECTED REAR RIGHTHAND SPRING
90A: STRIPE COLOR, ACCENT, TWO TONE, SILVER/YELLOW

scottmoyer

It's very possible that the car was built prior to the "New" 1LE option. Remember, there were only 4 1LEs built in 1988. I'm sure there were more cars built without AC and configured similarly. If the car was built after the 4 1LEs, than I bet your car would also have the 1LE option code. I am assuming here that your car was built prior to the 1LE launch.

okfoz

I know things changed as time went on, it could be anything, the Power windows, Locks, Fog lamps, that threw it off the 1LE, The 1LE I want to think was a mid year addition, so it may be possible that it was not ready yet, or something along those lines.

John

okfoz

I know things changed as time went on, it could be anything, the Power windows, Locks, Fog lamps, that threw it off the 1LE, The 1LE I want to think was a mid year addition, so it may be possible that it was not ready yet, or something along those lines.

John

Twin_Turbo

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The car was built in of June 88

The compnine site comes back as it being a 1 of 1 but who knows how accurate that is

scottmoyer

I don't know when the 1LEs were built. One thing I did notice is that your car is built for export. About 2 weeks ago, someone was selling a 1LE optioned car that was built for export and his car didn't have the 1LE code either. He had the LB9 5 speed with G92 and AC delete. I attributed the information to being across the Atlantic export. Did any 1LE optioned cars get exported to Canada or were they all US shipped cars? If any were shipped to Canada, did they also carry the R7U code? I'm not an expert on 1LE, so I can't say positive either way. This is good information though.

Mark_ZZ3

The Seq. no of the Vin suggests the 1988 1LE's were late in the production.

The story goes, that in order to use the parts in the racing programs (in the USA anyways), the parts had to be "production". Hence the introduction. Although, there is no documented evidence stating that the 1LE option was created, so how would the racing programs know about it? Perhaps just a story.

I do know from discussions with GM, that the Player's cars, had all the 1LE brakes assembled (complete with spindle) working with PBR, and then shipped out to the assembly line to be installed on the cars. Where as production line items were build on the assembly line. I would surmise that after the Player's run, is when they integrated the 1LE option into the assembly line. The 1988's were a test of that for sure. In 1989, racers could order the cars directly.

Mark.

Mark_ZZ3

In 1989, 76 1LE Camaros were shipped to Canada. 74 carried the R7U code as well.

Mark.

sricci22

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...8_IROC_1LE.JPG

fst64_v8pwr

Good Luck

irock88

not saying its a 1LE but close. its an 88 Iroc 5speed,LB9, oil cooler,g92, ac delete ,mid production vin number,very odd ball Iroc, 3.45 gears............I gather if it was a 1LE it would show on the RPO codes or were they coded differently.

irock88

Reason for asking whether they were coded differently is that on comp nine when I entered the Vin Number it has a section where it lists all Rpo`s for that year of Camaro-Iroc (1988) and 1LE is not listed there .
Is it possible they were coded differently.
The Iroc I have listed is definitely different any ideas as to production numbers on this one with optons listed

Drew

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I've said it before, but I'll say it again... 1LE = the front brakes. Does the Iroc you're talking about have dual piston front calipers? Cause if not it wouldn't have the 1LE code. You'll see the 1LE code anywhere the brakes appear, some B4C cop cars, Firehawks, TTA's, they all came with dual piston caliper brakes and the 1LE code. Everything else most people consider 1LE options were parts of the package that came standard in most years with the L98 and LB9/MM5.

Don't put all your faith in Compnine's website unless you don't mind often being wrong.

irock88

Thanks for the input Drew but as I have mentioned prior its definitely not a 1LE but close. Your correct in regards to the dual piston calipers but perhaps through the years and Im only speculating that some of these dual piston calipers could have been changed over to single piston calipers for what ever reason.
Im by no means an expert on the 1LE or R7U coded cars but from the information I have gathered from the likes of Mark who knows quite a bit about the Players cars and from the information gathered at TGO it has given me great insight as to what to look for when one of these show up on the market.
The Iroc Ive come across Is basically identical to Twin Turbos yet its not a 1LE.
Out of all the Irocs that Ive come across through out the years this one is definitely an odd ball with what it has . This is why Im questioning or perhaps thinking outside the box as to whether or not being exported to Canada or Overseas is it possible they were coded differently other than 1LE.
Has anyone here actually come across a factory 88 1LE and proven it by showing the RPO code of it along with its Vin ................just thinking outside the box!

Mark_ZZ3

The question is whether this car was ordered like this for a purpose of if that was just way they built it. Sounds like someone just wanted a 5 speed car with the performance options like a posi and disc brakes. Trace back the prior owners and see what you can find out about its history. If can find the dealership it was sold from, then you can do some research to see if they were involved in any racing of any form. And so on.

Mark.

scottmoyer

I have a buildsheet or a SPID label around here somewhere for a 1988 IROC-Z that has has AC delete and the G92 axle, but it does not carry the 1LE coding. It was either an early production car before the 1LE option was available or the fact that it was for export, changed the way it was coded. The documentation I have is for a car that was exported to Europe or somewhere over that direction. It has all the correct requirements for triggering the 1LE, but it isn't one. If I can find the document, I'll post it.

irock88

Thanks `scottmoyer`,thanks `Mark` for the info.

Mike