techrunner

these headers look similar to the hawks ones. i would love to try them, but i still have the set of 2010 camaro ones that didn't quite fit. any one else try these yet?

Pocket

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Can you post more info about the 2010 header fitment issues?

QwkTrip

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The price is just as much as Hawks. So what's the point?

ZONES89RS

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540$ shipped is cheaper than Hawks in the link he posted.

Riss

They look like stainless steel which is good.
Also interested how they fit.

ghettocruiser

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These look interesting... Be nice to see a pic looking down the tubes, to see how far over the collectors sit in relation to the flanges.

And YES...MORE info on the 2010 headers!!

J.

techrunner

well the 2010 camaro headers i have are the pacesetter steel ones. i tried to wrestle the passenger side in, but i just couldn't get it to slide between the k member and the lower firewall. i think it might go if the engine wasn't in the way though. it look slike it'll fit if you can get it in with the engine out of the way. i haven't gone that far yet though. if you have a tubular k member, i bet they'll fit (and if you want to try it pm me). i was thinking about unbolting the motor mounts to try it that way, i just don't have time right now. looks like we're moving and i have a ton of house crap to do before i tear the car apart again.

robbe_iroc

Woooo, I´m with Ghettocruiser on this one. Would be great to find measurements from the front or back. They look alot like the hawks ones for sure. But since they are for the SSR they probably go really close to the ground in our rides.
Imagine if someone could try these babies and they actually fit our cars, would be supergreat!

QwkTrip

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Boy, that's not the price I'm seeing. Where are you finding them for $540?

Also, if we listed every GM vehicle that has has an LS V8, how many of those have people trial fitted headers in a 3rd gen? Just wondering where we've been already.

Pocket

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The link from the first post is headers for $495 + $40 shipping

QwkTrip

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Oh, I thought that was an advertisement link. I did my own Google search and was looking at more expensive brands equal in price to Hawks.

White'89

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So it sounds like you are trying to go in from the top. Do you have the means to try and put them in from underneath?

$750 L98

Hmmm, really tempted to try the SSR headers, not a bad price for stainless LT headers...

Now if Hawk's were that cheap I'd already be ordering a set LOL

Judging by the pictures in this thread, it looks like they very well might work!: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-pa...ull-frame.html

ghettocruiser

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Certainly looks interesting... The pictures in that thread show the manifold pipes sort of moving off to the sides, but ultimately coming back in tight to the trans. The headers would almost def make a straight shot to where the stock cats are sitting...which is hugging the motor pretty good.

I have no reason what so ever to ditch my Hawks headers...but for future reference/projects...this is great info. I also dont want to see Hawk's sales get hurt. But its kind of silly that there is no mild steel/economy version of these headers yet. One of the easiest and most popular LS swaps... One choice for headers.

J.

QwkTrip

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I'm in Peoria, IL. Are you anywhere close? I'm doing a swap this spring and will probably have a tubular K-member.

techrunner

i'm in wy, so not really close to anywhere. at all....

ghettto - i wish i had the scratch available for hawks, i jus tcan't bring myself to spend that much on headers alone. so i keep digging around looking at any longtubes i can online. now i just have to convince myself to drop this much and see if these will fit.

$750 L98

No kidding, the headers cost as much as a full pull motor! And well, half as much as my running, driving 3rd gen cost to begin with...

daddy33

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subscribed....

Pocket

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This is why Im so interested. No way Hawks can get anywhere near that price

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2010-...item5adf1aebc6

1badeagle

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Why dont anyone ever run the brp headers?

boltons87

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I am really tempted to buy them and try them out. Even if they don't fit, I'm sure they would sell to someone with a newer camaro. BRP headers are cheaper, just not as cheap as those 2010 camaro headers. I would choose the BRP over hawks though.

QwkTrip

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I want to know the same thing. I didn't even know these exist!

I thought Hawks was the only option out there. How many options do we have?!?!

RaverRacerX

the SSR headers seem to match the shape of the hawks headers. i can see why the 2010 fbody headers wont slide in.

RaverRacerX

2. hawks and brp

3 if you have a welder.

QwkTrip

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So it appears that BRP are actually Hedman Husler.

ZONES89RS

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How so? They are a direct fit, sold by BRP but Headman doesnt make them an advertisement for the third gen? Interesting.

BTW, saw a set of Hawks third gen swap pieces at a swap meet yesterday, ceramic coated for 500$, told him to sell them here.

QwkTrip

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BRP stated so it in the installation instructions. That's how I know.

1badeagle

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The brp's look like better headers. Price is better with included header gaskets and hardware. Plus clearance looks better.

ZONES89RS

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That is crazy, i wonder why they dont market them through Jegs/Summit ect?

QwkTrip

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Maybe they have a non-compete agreement for a few years.

ZONES89RS

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You probably right, so much BS goes on with companies it is ridiculous.

ghettocruiser

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Yikes... Those look nice. I wonder what grade stainless they are? Not that it matters that much. If I had extra coin, I would gladly order up a couple sets and try them out while my motor is apart. Ive been the gunea pig for things in the past..just not such expensive ones haha.

As Ive said a thousand times...I dont want to "hurt" Hawk's sales. But they've been the only option for a LONG time. And $303...or even $500...would be a huge savings to us. That savings is enough to cover suspension upgrades, or a gauge package from Autometer. If they had those ebay headers in 1-7/8" primaries and 3" collectors...I might be very very tempted even now. Heck I could re-sell my Hawks for a crazy deal and probably come away with at least a little profit on the deal.

J.

Pocket

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I saw a comparison on a 5th gen forum by a sponsor between the ebay headers and some brand name headers the design was stolen from. Ebays are polished vs brand name natural, flange was 1/2" vs brand 3/8", primary mandrels were slightly ovaled from a cheap mandrel. All the people who posted up about buying them had no gripes

Dyno showed a 9hp loss with the cheap headers. IMHO, Ill take the 9hp loss and save $500

Im going to give them a try. Most likely the tail things on the ends of the collectors need to be cut off but Im going to see how they fit

QwkTrip

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There's usually a reason and it always has to do with money. I'd be willing to venture that BRP came to Hedman with a business case to make the hedders, but Hedman couldn't see past their short term financial goals and charged BRP for the manufacturing tooling. That means BRP owns the tooling and Hedman can't make and sell other brand parts on it. That would be my guess anyway.

ZONES89RS

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More than likely, i have been pissed they can make a damn LS swap S10 header set but not a Third hen? Hell, they make BBC headers for our beloved rides.

RaverRacerX

get the bbc headers and put on an LS flange

ZONES89RS

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Spend 520$ plus shipping, then good flanges are about 80$, then pay someone to weld them on and make it right, and have a set of headers that fit like crap and are 100$ shy of being stainless steel Hawks headers, i will pass.

88 350 tpi formula

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why would they fit like crap? seems to me if you test fit before cutting then mark where you need them welded on your last test fit they should fit perfect. reason I didn't was it would be mild steel at the price of hawks SS

ZONES89RS

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Have you ever seen the BBC conversion headers? The routing is awful and to my application, the route where my sub frame connectors tie in. Absolute no go for me.

hicksport

Good evening guys, just thought I'd give a few things to think about, I am just finishing my swap. I have installed a set of jba shorties from a 4th gen and they fit fine, I should be dynoing it this coming week and installing Hawks full system right after that and dyno again to show the gains!! Im hoping for around 40 hp at the wheels increase with the full system from Hawks. I agree its not cheap but its about the same money for a full system for a fourth gen or 5th gen made of stainless and made in america!!

ZONES89RS

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Sweet, let us know how it goes!

boltons87

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Why can't hawks make a set that isn't stainless steel? You can buy a brand new set of pacesetter longtubes for around $400 that are coated for the 4th gens. Hawks has a pinch on the market right now, so they jack the price up.

scooter

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Really? Have you done ANY research here? Have you looked at the prices for the other Stainless Works headers? I think the price is set more by SW than Hawks, they need to make a profit too.

How about these headers for a chevelle with a BBC by Stainless Works $902. close in design to an LS and for a car that has a LOT more room for exhaust, should be a LOT cheaper thna 3rd gen headers

boltons87

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Pretty much why I asked the question, why not a set of long tubes that are not stainless? I know how much stainless headers go for. Why can't hawks find someone to make a set? All I know is you can see the price mark up on aftermarket stuff just because of a name. look at SLP. Their long tubes suck for the 4th gens. and they are twice as much as the pacesetters that even fit better. Not everyone has close to a grand to spend on headers. Putting my Ls motor together will cost less.

$750 L98

Damn it man! Was it the swap meet out in cut and shoot? That's a nice price lol!

RaverRacerX

how bout TBSS headers?

ZONES89RS

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Conroe.

boltons87

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The only thing I see that might be a problem is the front tube on the pass side header. Just like the obx header, I wish that front tube was tucked up under the second tube a little more.

RaverRacerX

someone talented enough should do a cad drawing of both sides then overlay the headers' dimensions to see how they fit.

techrunner

pretty sure those tbss headers are the same as the ssr ones. i know the argument for non stainless ones to make them cheaper, but if they can fit these are stainless and still under 500.

so pocket, are you ordering these up to be our sacrificial guinea pig?