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Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Hi! I got a 383 procharged engine, have just fired it up
Air fuel ratio is around 14.7-14.9/1 is this to lean? I run a Q-ban 750 blow thrugh carb. msd boost retard ignition.. intercooled P-1SC
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

For just crusing around that is good, for wide open throttle that will kill your engine. Shoot for 10-11.9/1 for wide open throttle.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

11-14 is ideal
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Mid to high 11's is good for WOT
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Anything above 6PSI shoot for <12.9 - Above 10PSI shoot for <11.4
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Yep, idle/cruise 14 or so is fine. Under 6 psi I like to act like a n/a motor 12.5-12.8 or so air fuel. 6-10, 11.8-12.5 or so. Above 10psi, I'm running 11.5 or richer just to be safe. 15-18 psi right now i'm rich at around 10.5-10.7 or so on pump gas no problems. I want to shoot for 11.5 if it will take it. 11 to 1 wouldnt be bad tho.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

10.5!! Cough cough cough, you're like me though, no cat right? LOL.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

yeah no cat on this car Its rich but doesnt appear to be blowing black exhaust smoke and really doesnt smell from what I can tell. Makes me wonder if my wideband is reading right
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Good note to mention and it's really adressing the OP's question. A WB02 reading is only as good as the sensor. I've started reading some on optimum placement along the flow path. There's a temperature envelope that we have to be aware of, being on the wrong side of that leads to false readings and failure.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Well mine is probably not in a great spot being only about 8-9 inches from the turbine exit so exhaust temps are very very hot there. I'll have to recalibrate it and recheck everything.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

thanks!! My Carb card says:
Primary Main Jet:76
Secondary jet:86
Pri Idle Air Bleed:70
Hi Speed Bleed:31
Pri Nozzle:33
Sec Nozzle:33
Needle / seat:130
Power Valve:4.5

Yesterday i changed The primary jet from 76 to 78, and Secondary Jet from 86-->90.. A/f ratio has gone down From 14.9 to 14.8...NOt really much.. I Clarely have to Swich out something else, Even bigger Jets?
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

For those of you that are fuel injected. What kind of fuel system are you running? Would the Racetronix Walbro (for GN) pump I'm running be enough to fuel my 383 with a P1SC at ~12psi?
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

If its a decent cammed/heads 383, it may be approaching 600whp on 12 psi. That usually requires 2 pumps.

An option to try is to get a boost-a-pump kit which just runs hot voltage to the pump to get higher output. It may wear out the pump faster in the end but may support 550-600whp.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

My buddy is running a 355 w/ an F1 @ 15lbs, has a single walbro w/ a KB Boost a pump, not running out of fuel.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Any advice on the best way to set up a dual pump system. I guess I'll go ahead and start looking for a double pumper hanger for my tank.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

i run an internal 255 and the supplied procharger pump external, i have no fuel issues, 42lb injectors 14psi boost, i dynoed 380/420 to the wheels
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

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i run an internal 255 and the supplied procharger pump external, i have no fuel issues, 42lb injectors 14psi boost, i dynoed 380/420 to the wheels
Yes, but I shouldn't be making too much less than that n/a. With the charger, I may be pushing near the limit. I like to leave a safety margin.

Is the boost-a-pump the same as a hot wire kit (I have one of these already)?
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

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Yes, but I shouldn't be making too much less than that n/a. With the charger, I may be pushing near the limit. I like to leave a safety margin.

Is the boost-a-pump the same as a hot wire kit (I have one of these already)?
The boost a pump is a voltage regulator/booster for the pump. It boost's the voltage to the pump beyond 14v. here is a link to the Kenne bell ones, MSD makes one also.

http://www.kennebell.net/accessories...boostapump.htm
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Dual pump system you can run just like how NoboostNoGo has done in his build thread. I had Lonnies Performance make my kit for my 4th gen tank. turned out nice but it wasnt that cheap.

You can run the second pump with a hobbs switch which will activate upon a certain boost pressure. I'd get one with about 5-6 psi activation. Other way is to run the pump with a WOT switch so both are on no matter what boost your at. Or you can do it with a window switch to come on at a certain rpm, but out of these 3 ways I like the hobbs switch.

Some have wired them so that both pumps are on the same time but I dont like that since you dont need the pumps running constantly. This will heat up the fuel alot more and wear out the pumps faster.
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Yea noboostnogo setup is pretty awesome!

Jay_Rich's setup is great also!

Great pics and info on both of there threads.

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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

So where is the best place for the O2 sensor?
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

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So where is the best place for the O2 sensor?
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/gen...placement.html
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

Oh man! Orr89RocZ i just went throught your build thread that is very good looking for custom done and i notice your in houston too. im N/W ( unfortunately where everyone thinks a cold air makes a honda go 200 mph lol) i hope i see this thing around sometime!!!
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

do what i did and make ur own fuel pick up and run a weld on a1100 external pump or a1000 super easy to do
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Originally Posted by 86IROC57L98
Oh man! Orr89RocZ i just went throught your build thread that is very good looking for custom done and i notice your in houston too. im N/W ( unfortunately where everyone thinks a cold air makes a honda go 200 mph lol) i hope i see this thing around sometime!!!
Not likely...the car is in PA where I moved from 9 months ago I dont plan on bringing it down here anytime soon as I'm not sure how long I'll be in TX
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Re: Air/Fuel Ratio on Procharged engine

I've done 2 setups with dual pumps in 3'gen tank.

picture of first one
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...ps-inside.html
http://medlem.spray.se/gta324/mods/misc/pics/dual.jpg

second one, ( when I needed bigger lines)
http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/o...Fuel%20System/

I activate my 2'pump @ 2psi or by a switch......
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