86 Camaro 6.0/twins/ms3 Pro build thread
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86 Camaro 6.0/twins/ms3 Pro build thread
I've got a build thread in a couple of other places but I've neglected to put one here. Here's the plan, going to convert my racecar to a street strip car. I have most of the big stuff already, but it'll be a slow process as I work by myself.
6.0 LS w/callies rods and weisco pistons
LS3 heads
twin 72/68 Rev9 ebay specials
twin A/W I/C's (same setup as Orr's)
MS3 Pro Evo
E85
210lb bosch inj
p/g w/brake
9"
6.0 LS w/callies rods and weisco pistons
LS3 heads
twin 72/68 Rev9 ebay specials
twin A/W I/C's (same setup as Orr's)
MS3 Pro Evo
E85
210lb bosch inj
p/g w/brake
9"
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Took the old high compression 355 out and sold it
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PA Racing k member and a arms installed
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got the nose off for all the piping. Next step is strut mounts and coilovers.
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Re: 86 Camaro 6.0/twins/ms3 Pro build thread
MS3 Pro is like regular MS3 on steroids. Has all kinds of features. This is off the diyautotune website:
MS3Pro EVO Configurable Inputs/ Outputs:
10 Hi impedance injector outputs
8 logic level spark outputs
3 PWM outputs
2 digital outputs
7 analog inputs plus built-in MAP, Baro, and internal ECU temp sensor
3 high current digital/pwm outputs
3 digital frequency inputs
4 variable reluctor conditioned inputs
MS3Pro EVO Features:
VE based tuning
Speed Density, Alpha-N, MAF based tuning & blended algorithms
Up to 12 sequential saturated fuel injector outputs
Up to 12 cylinder sequential support
Any unused injector outputs can be used as high current digital or PWM outputs
Up to 8 sequential logic level ignition outputs
2D or 3D Table Views
The tuner can toggle between 2D or 3D table views with a single click
Individual cylinder fuel & spark trim tables
Table Switching
VVT Control (4 channels)
Generic Wheel Decoder allows for support of nearly any standard trigger/aftermarket trigger pattern. 60-2, 36-1, 8-1, 4-1, pretty much anything!
Supports 50+ specialty OEM and aftermarket ignition systems using factory cam/crank wheels and sensors.
Support for oddfire and evenfire engines
Capable of controlling evenfire, oddfire, piston, rotary, and even radial engines
Fuel Only Mode
Disables ignition output features for control of fuel injection only
Internal SDCard high-speed data logging
Traction Control – Multiple Strategies
E85 flex fuel sensor input
Compatible with YOUR wideband O2 controller.
Long Term Fuel Trim
OE Style automatic fuel trim to allow for changes in engine over time
High Power Time Enrichment
Allows for richer mixture after extended time in high power
Helps control cylinder and piston temperatures
Fully user configurable
Multiple Acceleration Enrichment Strategies
Staged Injection Control
Seamless transition to 2nd stage injectors for high power applications
Multiple user configurable strategies
Nitrous control strategies
Three-step rev limiter with flat shift
Trans Brake and Bump Box Control
No need for a separate box!
User configurable settings and reactions
Advanced Launch Control strategies
Digital switch based arming
Wheel speed based launch arming for rolling starts
Configurable timing retard after launch
Pit Lane Limiter
Speed limiter for pit lane, reduces engine power by spark retard/cut or fuel cut
Can limit based on VSS or RPM if no VSS input is available
Rally style turbo anti-lag with rotational idle
Allows cyclic fuel and spark cut
Controls idle valve and configurable outputs for external fuel or air supply
Boost Control – Multiple open & closed loop strategies
Sequential shift spark cut
Configurable spark and fuel cut during shift
Solenoid output control for air shifter/drag application
Automatic shift point mode
Configurable per gear delay
Idle Control – Multiple open & closed loop strategies
Water and Methanol Injection
Fuel Pump Control
Intelligent Knock Detection and Response – 2 channels
Multiple Engine Protection and fault mode strategies
Generous spare I/O for any standard/custom I/O needs
Spare analog inputs for external sensors
Supports standard automotive temperature or pressure sensors
Air Conditioner Control with feed-forward Idle-Up
Proactively increases idle vale duty cycle (PWM valves) or number of steps (stepper valves) before activating A/C compressor
Automatic compressor shutoff at programmable throttle position or RPM thresholds
Automatic cooling fan activation with A/C, user configurable
Cooling Fan Control
Programmable fan on and off activation points
Can be configured to run fan with engine running only, or when engine is running and not running
Feed-forward idle up for use with large, high demand fans
Configurable fan deactivation based on TPS or VSS
Alternator Field Control/Voltage Regulation
Multiple open and closed loop strategies
Configurable voltage and temperature monitoring
Separate target voltages for afterstart, normal operation, over run, and WOT
Warning lamp output if voltage is above or below target
Comprehensive Test Modes
Test all outputs for proper functionality and verify wiring before starting the engine
Controls all fuel injector outputs, ignition outputs, idle valve, and general purpose outputs
Outputs can be tested for on & off or PWM pulse functionality
Injector and spark disable mode, allows checking for suspected problematic cylinder by electronically preventing combustion event
CAN Support for I/O expansion – virtually limitless I/O capability!
CAN Support for 3rd party dash devices
Android Compatible
Self Calibration
Fully Enabled
Compact, Efficient & Robust Design
Redundant signal ground wiring
Dual external 5V ref supplies, individually fused
No Dark Current!
Field Upgradeable Firmware – enable newly added features with a simple firmware update!
The EVO is the middle product. The ultimate is the top and the original MS3 Pro is the bottom. The EVO is an original MS3 Pro with some of the ultimate features added.
https://www.diyautotune.com/product/...gement-system/
Here's a link
MS3Pro EVO Configurable Inputs/ Outputs:
10 Hi impedance injector outputs
8 logic level spark outputs
3 PWM outputs
2 digital outputs
7 analog inputs plus built-in MAP, Baro, and internal ECU temp sensor
3 high current digital/pwm outputs
3 digital frequency inputs
4 variable reluctor conditioned inputs
MS3Pro EVO Features:
VE based tuning
Speed Density, Alpha-N, MAF based tuning & blended algorithms
Up to 12 sequential saturated fuel injector outputs
Up to 12 cylinder sequential support
Any unused injector outputs can be used as high current digital or PWM outputs
Up to 8 sequential logic level ignition outputs
2D or 3D Table Views
The tuner can toggle between 2D or 3D table views with a single click
Individual cylinder fuel & spark trim tables
Table Switching
VVT Control (4 channels)
Generic Wheel Decoder allows for support of nearly any standard trigger/aftermarket trigger pattern. 60-2, 36-1, 8-1, 4-1, pretty much anything!
Supports 50+ specialty OEM and aftermarket ignition systems using factory cam/crank wheels and sensors.
Support for oddfire and evenfire engines
Capable of controlling evenfire, oddfire, piston, rotary, and even radial engines
Fuel Only Mode
Disables ignition output features for control of fuel injection only
Internal SDCard high-speed data logging
Traction Control – Multiple Strategies
E85 flex fuel sensor input
Compatible with YOUR wideband O2 controller.
Long Term Fuel Trim
OE Style automatic fuel trim to allow for changes in engine over time
High Power Time Enrichment
Allows for richer mixture after extended time in high power
Helps control cylinder and piston temperatures
Fully user configurable
Multiple Acceleration Enrichment Strategies
Staged Injection Control
Seamless transition to 2nd stage injectors for high power applications
Multiple user configurable strategies
Nitrous control strategies
Three-step rev limiter with flat shift
Trans Brake and Bump Box Control
No need for a separate box!
User configurable settings and reactions
Advanced Launch Control strategies
Digital switch based arming
Wheel speed based launch arming for rolling starts
Configurable timing retard after launch
Pit Lane Limiter
Speed limiter for pit lane, reduces engine power by spark retard/cut or fuel cut
Can limit based on VSS or RPM if no VSS input is available
Rally style turbo anti-lag with rotational idle
Allows cyclic fuel and spark cut
Controls idle valve and configurable outputs for external fuel or air supply
Boost Control – Multiple open & closed loop strategies
Sequential shift spark cut
Configurable spark and fuel cut during shift
Solenoid output control for air shifter/drag application
Automatic shift point mode
Configurable per gear delay
Idle Control – Multiple open & closed loop strategies
Water and Methanol Injection
Fuel Pump Control
Intelligent Knock Detection and Response – 2 channels
Multiple Engine Protection and fault mode strategies
Generous spare I/O for any standard/custom I/O needs
Spare analog inputs for external sensors
Supports standard automotive temperature or pressure sensors
Air Conditioner Control with feed-forward Idle-Up
Proactively increases idle vale duty cycle (PWM valves) or number of steps (stepper valves) before activating A/C compressor
Automatic compressor shutoff at programmable throttle position or RPM thresholds
Automatic cooling fan activation with A/C, user configurable
Cooling Fan Control
Programmable fan on and off activation points
Can be configured to run fan with engine running only, or when engine is running and not running
Feed-forward idle up for use with large, high demand fans
Configurable fan deactivation based on TPS or VSS
Alternator Field Control/Voltage Regulation
Multiple open and closed loop strategies
Configurable voltage and temperature monitoring
Separate target voltages for afterstart, normal operation, over run, and WOT
Warning lamp output if voltage is above or below target
Comprehensive Test Modes
Test all outputs for proper functionality and verify wiring before starting the engine
Controls all fuel injector outputs, ignition outputs, idle valve, and general purpose outputs
Outputs can be tested for on & off or PWM pulse functionality
Injector and spark disable mode, allows checking for suspected problematic cylinder by electronically preventing combustion event
CAN Support for I/O expansion – virtually limitless I/O capability!
CAN Support for 3rd party dash devices
Android Compatible
Self Calibration
Fully Enabled
Compact, Efficient & Robust Design
Redundant signal ground wiring
Dual external 5V ref supplies, individually fused
No Dark Current!
Field Upgradeable Firmware – enable newly added features with a simple firmware update!
The EVO is the middle product. The ultimate is the top and the original MS3 Pro is the bottom. The EVO is an original MS3 Pro with some of the ultimate features added.
https://www.diyautotune.com/product/...gement-system/
Here's a link
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I hope so. I'm shooting for 1000 at the crank and mid to low 5's in the 1/8. I'm stealing the I/C setup idea from you.
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That's the plan. I have a 5 or 6 gal tank with the pump already. Just gotta figure out where I wanna put it
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I don't know yet. I haven't had it on the ground yet since I put them on. It'll probably vary depending on the spring rate you use. IIRC mine are 175lb
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I would guess so since the arms are stock length and it uses the same struts.
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That fox was my daily that I gave to my son for his first car. It's a 79 with an 85-86 nose and rear bumper. 302 with cam, intake, carb, shorty headers, catless h pipe, and magnaflows with turndowns. It's been converted to an AOD and since I gave it to him we added the welds and an 8.8 with 4.10's. It's a manual window car. Nice interior but needs paint and a new top
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Originally Posted by Big, White & Sl
That fox was my daily that I gave to my son for his first car. It's a 79 with an 85-86 nose and rear bumper. 302 with cam, intake, carb, shorty headers, catless h pipe, and magnaflows with turndowns. It's been converted to an AOD and since I gave it to him we added the welds and an 8.8 with 4.10's. It's a manual window car. Nice interior but needs paint and a new top...
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It's a vinyl top car. I don't think he'll get obsessed. Hell, he doesn't even seem really interested in it. Every time i see it it's filthy.
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I ordered a couple Hall effect sensors for my ms3 pro ultimate today. Going to try and pick up brake Rotor vanes for traction control, If your going to run the same setup I will post up how I end up mounting them. Running off digital io 2 and 3 on the center harness I think with sensor grounds.
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Go ahead and post them up. The EVO doesn't have the center harness, but at some point I'm gonna want to run traction control and it'd be nice to see some options
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Engine compartment painted with POR15
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Re: 86 Camaro 6.0/twins/ms3 Pro build thread
Time for some updates. Progress has been slow because of other stuff going on.
First, I got the Motion Raceworks soft steamline setup on
Remote coil mounts assembled
Bought an Autokraft pan and added fittings for the turbo oil drains
Did the Astro van steering shaft conversion
Got the pan on and all buttoned up
Oh and I shaved a set of valve covers and I'm gonna paint them tomorrow. I'm using 2 of the oil filler ones because I'm gonna run the billet oil filler caps that have the -10 fitting coming out for a breather setup. The ones in the pics are just the extras
I've done all the clearance mods to get the CSR trans shield to fit on my PG, just waiting on some 90's for the trans cooler lines and a new trans mount and that will be ready to go. Hopefully next weekend I can set the motor and trans in. Then the fun begins. LOL
First, I got the Motion Raceworks soft steamline setup on
Remote coil mounts assembled
Bought an Autokraft pan and added fittings for the turbo oil drains
Did the Astro van steering shaft conversion
Got the pan on and all buttoned up
Oh and I shaved a set of valve covers and I'm gonna paint them tomorrow. I'm using 2 of the oil filler ones because I'm gonna run the billet oil filler caps that have the -10 fitting coming out for a breather setup. The ones in the pics are just the extras
I've done all the clearance mods to get the CSR trans shield to fit on my PG, just waiting on some 90's for the trans cooler lines and a new trans mount and that will be ready to go. Hopefully next weekend I can set the motor and trans in. Then the fun begins. LOL
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Got the engine in a couple of weeks ago. Trans is in too, somewhat, but now I have a problem. I'm running a powerglide with a CSR trans shield and any of you who are familiar with them know that they mount using the bellhousing bolts. They have a little aluminium spacer at each hole and a steel plate that goes across. Here's the problem, that stuff means using a longer bolt and moves the bolt holes closer to the firewall and there's no way those bolts are going in(top 4 bolts). Looks like I'm going to have to cut some access holes in the floor and make some removable panels to get to the bolts. I'm wishing now that I'd just bucked up and bought a trans with an aftermarket case.
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Headers and valve covers(shaved stock ones) on. Working on alternator mount. It's a pain. Had to notch the block and now i have to replace a bad helicoil
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I did shave them myself. It was a good amount of work. Used a cutoff wheel then a small grinder. Filled the leftover holes with epoxy. I'm either gonna put the coils in the cowl area or mount them on the frame rails so far