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Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Superram Dyno results at rear wheels on a mustang dyno 383 forged components, 219 Lingenfelter cam, full superram, 58 mm tb, 30 SVO, AFR 195, SLP dual cold air & 1 3/4 headers, Borla 3" catback, no cat, Vigilente 3200, 700R4 race internals, 3:42 Gears, Ed wright Chip etc. The car is pinging at low end range 3000rpm when WOT what you think so far of #??? https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...9e4c864c50.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...54738f70df.jpg 293.1 HP @ 5200 348.5 Lbs @ 3100 at the wheels |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I will try to upload a video performed on the Tech 1 Scan tool while beeing dynoed you will see the knock sensor, which was supposed to be deleted, indicating up to 8 at around 3000rpm Another thing, the technician says Lingenfelter uses a dynojet dyno that increases #'s by 15% which would bring my Hp at 426 at the flywheel and Torque at 504 Lbs! Any clue if it's accurate? |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Decent numbers, thought it be over 300 for sure but not bad. True test is how well it runs at the track as dyno numbers vary. Usually assume 15-20% loss on most dynos so figure 293 whp is 350-360 hp |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Well unfortunately I can't upload my videos here... but the car is pinging as hell at 3000rpm and on the road its pinging at wot from 3000 to 4000 but my air/fuel mixture seems very decent I must send the chip again to Ed for some adjustments and the 5800 Rev limiter with this cam seem pretty conservative... |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Might not be a bad idea to start reading the "how to tune" stickies. I don't know if it's ever going to get really dialed in with a mail order. I've burned 50+ chips to get my car where I want it. I ordered a chip from Fast Chip to get my engine running while I was learning how to tune years ago. When I felt comfortable enough, I asked his permission to read his chip and build off his tune. As it's not going to be dialed in after two chips. He flipped out saying I was going to share it on forums and people were going to say his tune wasn't good. Then threatened to not do business with me. When I told him fine, I'll send the chip back, and I expect a refund, he changed his tone. I hope you have better luck with him than I did. All he had to say was "no" and I would have respected his wishes. Anyway, sorry for the rant. Decent numbers but I bet you could get some more out of that motor. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Yeah I am trying to get into this self burning thing but I had the engine built 3 years ago and just am.in a rush to have it running well... I was told my the redline performance technician that J. Solomon was a good guy to get in touch with! Please don't throw any bad words at me but it's the very 1st time I heard this name. I did sent him an email to see if he could help me burning/tuning my car in person I will see how it goes from there... As for Ed Wright, I spoke with him last thursday and he said before I send the chip back, I needed to have the engine scanned with the tech 1 to make sure there wasn't any engine timing, sensors, wiring, fuel problem or hidden codes etc. The TPS is adjusted at .54 Volts at idle, no hidden codes at all (all new sensors with piggytails) didn't do a re-learn on for the IAC tho... O2 sensor works as it should, timing is set at 6° and AFPR set at 45 psi according to Ed's requests. I will send him the chip back with all datas and dyno sheet and hoping for good results🤔 Sorry to hear your story with Ed but since if offered a "lifetime" warranty I feel like I should give it a try... |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I completely understand. I was in a hurry too. I wanted to enjoy the engine asap. Do you have access to a laptop? If so, you could buy a ALDL cable and datalog the car. Then you can send the datalogs to the tuner. I’m sure it would help with the other aspects of the tune besides WOT. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by IROCThe5.7L
(Post 6258476)
I completely understand. I was in a hurry too. I wanted to enjoy the engine asap. Do you have access to a laptop? If so, you could buy a ALDL cable and datalog the car. Then you can send the datalogs to the tuner. I’m sure it would help. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results That's not a natural torque curve yet. There's a lot of torque (and HP) missing above 3000 rpm. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results @IROCThe5.7L I do have a laptop, This morning at the speed shop they did hook a widebend and a scan tool (Tech 1) while beeig dynoed. We discovered the knock sensor indicating as up as 8 at 3000RPM. The TPS Voltage was between .54 to .56 Volts. I have to admit I am not familiar in reading the scan tool's sreen but according to the technician, everything was fine except the detonation at low end range when hard acceleration. He also mentionned that I had too much timing at low end range. He says with the videos (which I cannot upload here) along with the air/fuel ratio results, he should be fine to burn the chip! |
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Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Sounds like it very well could be too much timing. Everything looks in order. Hopefully a new chip helps. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I would think a 383 with a Superram would make close to 400. Most 350's make more so this one will do it when corrected. I think it will when it is tuned right and you figure out what is holding it back. I know loose converters can give a low hp dyno. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Yeah usually at 2800-3200 theres alot of cylinder pressure with tpi style intakes. It will want some less timing there for sure |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I got in touch with Ed, will ship the chip back with all datas and he will reflash it. I will give it a try and then if it doesn't complete the task, I will consider your suggestions! On another note, I met a guy which got a 383 tpi in his Cavalier Z24 wil an LS conversion computer, harness, ignition, valve covers etc. He is a fellow 3rd gen member I just don't have is member name. He claims he learned most here on this board... It is both time and $$$ consuming but worthed at the end. I am knocking my forehead on a wall of bricks for building a tpi engine instead of swapping an LS engine instead. I wouldn't have spent more money at the end and would save a huge headache |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I'd rather open the hood look at a superram than an LS anyday. If you get that running right that will make as much hp as an LS |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by mrestrictrplate
(Post 6258556)
I would think a 383 with a Superram would make close to 400. Most 350's make more so this one will do it when corrected. I think it will when it is tuned right and you figure out what is holding it back. I know loose converters can give a low hp dyno. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Air fuel looks good. I dont see huge power gains with additional tuning other than getting timing right. Knock ping in mid range, once fixed may jump your torque and mid range hp alot but if it wasnt knockin up top, i dont see you picking up much power |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results @Orr89RocZ to tell you the truth I just want the engine to stop pining as hell...if I get any HP/Torque gain it would be a welcomed bonus!!! My Vigilente converter is 3000-3200 exactly where the baddest pining point can be heard at. From 2800 to 3100 RPM, the air/fuel ratio numbers aren't in the ''perfection range standing repectively at : 12.32 12.17 12.29 12.53. As we know, the best should stick between 12.5:1 to 13.5:1 with my naturally aspirated engine. 12.53 is just at the bottom limit! I sent the chip back and willl keep you updated as soon as I get it back! Will 1st give it a road test and then will most likely go back on the dyno. My only concern is the weather here in Montreal Quebec it is very close to start snowing. Every year I put the car in storge on october 31st, but I am way to anxious to see how everything turns |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results From 2800 to 3100 RPM, the air/fuel ratio numbers aren't in the ''perfection range standing repectively at : 12.32 12.17 12.29 12.53. As we know, the best should stick between 12.5:1 to 13.5:1 with my naturally aspirated engine. 12.53 is just at the bottom limit! note that 12.5-13.5 is common to be best power ratio but not necessarily. Give motor what it wants also note that when it hits the streets it may see more load than the dyno and lean out some on its own |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I got a somewhat similar setup. Superram, 358ci, 30lb red tops. But im runnin fastburn heads, a zz409 cam and longtubes. I got it runnin pretty good on a ebl flash. T5-3:42 gear as well. No dyno #s yet, but i can tell you it will eat my 01 camaro ss m6 alive. By alot |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Those numbers seem low. I had that same 383 superram, LPE219 cam, 3.73 gears, 3500 stall converter in an 89 trans am and I could lit the tires at 50 mph once the trans kicked down from 3rd to 1st. I never dyno'd that motor and ran it too lean and hurt it but it went 110-11 mph in the quarter at 12.80 with a 2.0 60ft back in the early 2000's. Get the new chip from Ed and take it to the track, if you have any suspension work, you should be running low 12's at 112 mph+. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by 89gta383
(Post 6260122)
Those numbers seem low. I had that same 383 superram, LPE219 cam, 3.73 gears, 3500 stall converter in an 89 trans am and I could lit the tires at 50 mph once the trans kicked down from 3rd to 1st. I never dyno'd that motor and ran it too lean and hurt it but it went 110-11 mph in the quarter at 12.80 with a 2.0 60ft back in the early 2000's. Get the new chip from Ed and take it to the track, if you have any suspension work, you should be running low 12's at 112 mph+. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I’ve seen that same combo in the C4 Vettes but it ran 11.70@117mph. He probably did a lot of porting to the intake and runners. I think the HP should be 370whp and 430+wtq. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results VincentZ28 is right on the money with those number as I had this same setup in my IROC. Only difference was the heads I had angle milled and they were stage1 ported from TEA. It made 368RWHP and 423 RWTQ, on a warm summer day. Ran a 11.9 at 115(90* day) hitting a limiter at 5700 rpm(bad msd box n wanted to shift at 6k) and spun a little with 1.66 60'. I know this combination is good for 11.50's with the right driver, gearing, sticky tire, and optimal weather conditions. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Is it just me or would a bigger cam have helped out here? (Keep cylinder pressure down to help with the knocking, but both that superram and those heads will be VERY happy with a 6,000 RPM+ HP peak on a 383.) -Still need to fix the timing around the torque peak to limit the knocking, probably. With the rear gears, 3,200 RPM stall, and torquey 700r4's 1st gear, it's not like he's going to be missing any reduced torque on the low end. You've already got the cold air intake, that helps with power and knocking; what temp thermostat? (any knock resistance you can get from reduced temps is timing you can keep in it). I don't understand why the peak torque #s are so low for a 383 with AFR heads and a SuperRam; non-lockup torque converter slippage on the dyno or something else? Adam |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results I already received the chip back from Ed a while ago (november) but the car is in winter storage. Can't wait to give it a try as soon as weather permit!!! I will keep you updated with new results and all. The 219 cam certainly seem low with AFR's heads specs but it was a LPE proven combo 1st with their custom ported Vette's heads and then with AFR ported heads... I take no credit in my combination since I got it threw searches and re-did what was done by LPE back then minus their own heads/intake porting and their own programmation and tuning which of course, plays a major role in their leading success! |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results passing my Lingenfelter stage 5 383 chip to tuned as soon as I get to removing it..car ran Fantastic! (1992 to 2003) 1.54 60 foot times. 11.90 1/4 times slicks 115 mph could get 3 to 4mph with taller tire.. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results What size injectors were you running ? I have a tune supposedly to be from the famous lpe 383 build with sr and 219 cam. The injector constant is 22#hr . I don’t know if the tune was stoic or lean never had anyone use it. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results my car had 30lb red top (if your asking me..also my cam was mech. not a hyd..) but I seem to remember 219..will have to look at my paper work.. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Thanks, I figured for the 383 you would be around 30#hr. Sounds like a strong power plant. 113 heads ? |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results they pushed for some aluminum vet heads with port work..they sell.. but I used some trick flow heads (new at the time) with the offset valves/canted. and got more on the dyno then there heads..at the time. https://i.postimg.cc/LXRHY25K/20140622-201645.jpg it was a fun engine to play with. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Those valve covers look familiar :) |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results did you get this set from me? as of now all this eng but the brakets/pullys are gone.. still have the fuel rails.. ECU and some small parts..but it all eng hard parts guys on this site picked up. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Yeh I bought them along time ago from you. They will look nice on my 383 with the ages I have. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results never go cheap on Valve covers I say..back in 91/92 GMPP had them listed for over $200.. today those GM covers are over $680 from summit. always go with the real stuff..back then it was ..Whos going to pay $220 for a set of Valve covers.but I like the look of all the aluminum on top..pic above.. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-10185064 glad ya like them.. was shopping online and found a set of BBC covers from GMPP. that a shop did not want.. and paid $70/80 for them. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-25534374 https://i.postimg.cc/jdSXqTZq/cover.jpg don't know if ill use them..like this..Im thinking of having them polished they also had a set with the 427 logo.. sold 5 min after I grab this set...lol |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Wow, the price of those covers has gone way up. You got a great score with the bbc covers. Thanks for passing on a great savings to me. I still have the k&n breathers you ran. I don’t know if I will have enough room with the valve covers and my t ram but would love to use the parts together.looks like they are still available at around $200 price under proform. like pro form 141-925. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pro-141-925 |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results the proform set is a close copy. and GM OKed them to make a close copy..but not the same.. If you look at the inside of the covers you got from me..you will see how even the Bowtie & lettering is cast open/hollow.. then look close at the shape..not the same lines..what you have is the real thing...Not A copy.. or knock off..GM is talking abut not making them any more..the first sets are Made in CA usa… Take a look inside of your set I forget if its cast into them.. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Arctic, did you have to clearance the valve covers w the Superram? |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Did you ever get this car tuned how is it running now.??? |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by mrestrictrplate
(Post 6282090)
Arctic, did you have to clearance the valve covers w the Superram? |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by my hemi
(Post 6344165)
Did you ever get this car tuned how is it running now.??? https://i.postimg.cc/Y92d8ypG/pyp-2120-w.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/vmsqxZkv/pyp-5022-w.jpg |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by 91z28ss
(Post 6258447)
Superram Dyno results at rear wheels on a mustang dyno 383 forged components, 219 Lingenfelter cam, full superram, 58 mm tb, 30 SVO, AFR 195, SLP dual cold air & 1 3/4 headers, Borla 3" catback, no cat, Vigilente 3200, 700R4 race internals, 3:42 Gears, Ed wright Chip etc. The car is pinging at low end range 3000rpm when WOT what you think so far of #??? https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...9e4c864c50.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...54738f70df.jpg 293.1 HP @ 5200 348.5 Lbs @ 3100 at the wheels |
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Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by articwhiteZ
(Post 6344184)
did most of the eng mock up on the stand..but never have installed the eng.. just orderd the plastic eng & trans set. to get this set up and installed.. https://i.postimg.cc/Y92d8ypG/pyp-2120-w.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/vmsqxZkv/pyp-5022-w.jpg -- Joe |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by anesthes
(Post 6344230)
I gotta get some of those.. Dragging around a full engine and trans to mock stuff up is a PITA. -- Joe |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Did you ever get the car retuned? |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results
Originally Posted by my hemi
(Post 6350325)
Did you ever get the car retuned? Yes, I did had another chip burnt from Ed (Fast Chip) last winter and installed it last spring. The car is running much better now but still has detonation at WOT at mid range to higher speed. I came accross multiple issues with the car malfunction such as my Optima battery failure, burnt spark plugs and a hose vacuum loss on the rear side of the superam plenum which were all fixed. I have to admit I didn't drive the car last summer since I spent most time/money on my 5th Gen instead... And got bored playing with the 3rd gen for a while! I tried hard to find someone local to fine tune the car but wasn't lucky. I will give it another try next spring before I change my mind to ditch the current setup in favor of either an Fitech or complete LS engine swap. I am not giving up, I even grabbed a 5th gen brake swap kit with other parts from Flynbye to complete my brake swap. Any local shop that could data tune the car on site would be appreciated! I live in Montreal but I am willing to drive the distance to get it done at last!!! Cheers |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Thanks for the reply i have a 383 with a 1st performance intake we tried the chip thing too...we had other issues also its at a shop now getting those bugs fixed and a holley HP efi system installed so it will be better the new cars best technology out there right now...its not cheap but will make the car run good...and thats what we wanted...good luck on yours keep us posted would love to see how it turns out. |
Re: Superram 219 AFR 195 Dyno Results Yes I will! Forgot to mention an important thing, when I 1st ordered the chip from Ed, I completed the on line data form which includes the compression ratio... I gave him the wrong numbers which were 10.7:1 according to my pistons cc and AFR heads gaskets calcutator! When my technician and I revised the situation, I decided to call SkipWhite Performance, where I got my stroker kit from and ask them to step in and help us in calculating the exact compression ratio. After getting back with Ed, I revised the ratio at 11:1 instead and when I asked him would it make a huge difference? He said YES!!! I felt guilty on that side of the story... Like I said before it still pinging way to hard to be ignored. Would like to see how it turns out with your new setup! https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...8b0fedd5a6.jpg |
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