Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W So I have an '03 E150, and finding a cheap v6 'stang recipient isn't working out. I pulled the LG4 out of my '86 'maro and put it in my '87 S-10, because my LR4 is going in my '94 'maro, ( so my 3.4L V6 is going in a self-built LoCost 7, like the Caterham take on the old Lotus 7 ) My 4.6 is rated at 230 HP and 290 TQ, much like a TPI 305, and it's running out of air by 5000 RPM, like an LB9. This would be a lot cheaper than doing a 350, would simplify emissions, and a turbo will add another 100 horses, which the 4R70W can easily take, especially in a car a thousand pounds lighter. I've been happy with the van, the 3.55:1 gears have proven perfect, and it does 22 MPG highway. Corrected to a 305/35R18x10.5, that makes 3.23:1, which I have in my '94 Camaro. The van oilpan won't work, nor the exhaust manifolds, but there are plenty of Crown Vics at Pick-N-Pull. I can fabricate adapter brackets for mounting the 4.6. It's complete and running well, my '86 Camaro needs an engine, and I'm not rich. Very tempted to try it. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W Aside from all the "haters" you'd get, it would be an interesting swap. The only big issue I can think of would be the physical size of the 4.6 ford. That engine is super wide. I can see clearance issues with the heater box, wiper motor, and possibly the steering shaft. A torque arm mount would have to be fabricated, and the wiring might be tricky. If you have the skills and willing to explain yourself all the time, go for it! |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W yes, measure carefully, that is a very large engine and I'm concerned it will be a really tight fit between inner fenders as well as all the other things Neilb mentioned. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W The engine is wide, like the guys above have said so measure first. 03 should be a pi 4.6, which means with decent exhaust and tune it will do much better than 230 horses. Those engines in the mustangs were 260hp. Also, i think those 2v 4.6's sound great. Much better than a sbc. I've owned a couple mustangs. Those are great little engines. You'll also need to figure out something with the driveshaft. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W Yes, it's about as big on the outside as a 460, but with manifolds instead of headers, it should be possible. Having the donor vehicle means I could lift the entire wiring harness with the PCM. The A/C no longer works, so a non-A/C heater box might make it easier. The torque arm should have been on the crossmember, not the tailhousing, since 1982, here's a good reason to correct it. The vans didn't get the PI heads until sometime after '03, but it still moves better than the LG4 it'd replace. It could get a head swap later, probably with Comp's mildest cams. I think they're 224s, so still better than any stock Ford cams. The driveshaft could be a problem, but even if I need to get the van shaft shortened and a conversion joint, that's still around $100. Nobody mentioned the shifter, but that doesn't worry me. The wiper motor is a concern. The Fiero version might help, but if not, it would be a real problem. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W Worked with several of those, unless you are putting forced induction on it, I wouldn't do the swap. Its just not a engine worth the swap time imo. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W I really like the engines. Not so much from a power perspective but they are tough. If it was me, I'd sell the 4.6 and buy a 350 if you can't spend much money. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W I'm about to turn 40, I can give up some HP for a while to avoid the hassles of a carburetor, and especially trying to get the LG4 emissions controls working right. This would be nearly plug-and-play, emissions-wise, I just tell them it's from a '96 Mustang, it passes emissions, and I get my registration. Even in the van the torque is good, the power is adequate, and I have both 3.23:1 and 3.42:1 gears to choose from. Everyone here has a 350, or LSx, I nearly finished an LSx swap in my previous '86 Camaro, and this is really appealing to me more every day. |
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Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W I thought I was ready to pull the 4.6, but then I had to use the van as the work van it was built to be, so this is on hold. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W Found a '94 E350 extra-long-body with the 351W and E4OD and 10.25" FF, offered $700, if he accepts then this 4.6-Camaro swap happens. |
Re: Seriously could, Ford 4.6 / 4R70W So last week I discovered that 1/1/17, my '86 is emissions-exempt. This morning I was driving 100 miles down to SLC to pull a known-running LO5/NVG3500 out of a '95 C1500. Only when I got there, he'd sold it to someone else. Feeling bad, and with cash in hand, I went to Pick-N-Pull, found a complete '99 Vortec 7400 w/ 2WD 4L80E. But I had only just enough for the long block assembly or the trans. I chose the 454, pulled it, stripped it down to long-block status, and I had long ago given up on ever scoring another one. I was worried that the oil filter situation would be problematic again, but that donor was 4WD, this one was 2WD. |
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