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Granny 05-26-2011 10:34 PM

Homemade Bellhousing
 
Basically, I made my own bellhousing to adapt a Ford Toploader 4spd transmission to my old school SB Chev V8. I can buy one for around $450, but it's a heavy 1/4" thick steel monster, and I prefer building my own lighter parts if i can. I'm not concerned about it not being "SFI certified", as it's just a fun street car and i had no desire to make it legal for the track.

The mock-up began with an old 400 block and an empty transmission case. I am using the alignment bar from my rearend narrowing jig to keep everything straight and true. I spent a couple nights machining some steel pucks to fit in the block's main bearing bores and also the bearing bores in the transmission case. The pucks have an 1.501" hole in the center so that my alignment bar will slide inside everything to keep the engine and transmission bores concentric. I made a ring to center the plate that the transmission will bolt to, and a tube spacer that will set the desired distance between the block and transmission face. I have also made the rear plate that the transmission will bolt to, and have laid out the the flange that will bolt to the block and serve as a pattern for the block plate that will fit behind the flywheel.
I'll snap some pictures in the next day or so. Working in my spare time after hours, I expect it will take me a week or two to get it done. The transmission is getting some special work as well, getting faceplated in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'm adapting an aluminum tailhousing from an SROD overdrive trans to replace the Toploader's stock iron piece to shed some weight. Also machined down the Ford throwout collar so that I can use my existing Chevy hyd throwout bearing. Here's the pattern I made out of 1/4" steel. All the hole locations were laid out, centerpunched, and drilled 3/16" so that the pattern could be transferred to the blank piece of 1/8" that it's laying on, which will be used to make the block protection plate. The steel pucks on the right are the pilot rings and spacer that i mentioned in an earlier post that locate everything in the correct positions for mock-up. Later this pattern will get the bolt holes drilled and the large center hole will be cut out, turning the pattern into the flange for the front of the bell...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...ngproject2.jpg

Here's the drawing I used to lay out the block bolt pattern...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject12.jpg

This is the block plate after it was cut out and drilled. The large hole in the center is for the crank's flywheel flange to stick thru, and the 2 larger holes on the sides are for the locating dowels in the block...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...ngproject6.jpg

This is the pattern after i drilled it out and cut the center out. It is going to be the forward flange of the bellhousing that bolts to the block, the large hole in the center is necessary to clear the flywheel...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...ngproject5.jpg

Here's the block plate on a block. The upper "wings" were added as mid-mounting points that will hang the back of the engine at the firewall...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...ngproject3.jpg

Here's the block plate and flange on a block. The block plate will be sandwiched between the block and bellhousing as shown. I'll soon be creating a hole and pocket for the starter.

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...ngproject4.jpg

Here's a pic of the rolled ring welded to the bellflange. All the holes still fit perfectly...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...ngproject7.jpg


The mid-mounts incorporated into the block plate allow me to easily remove the bellhousing/clutch/flywheel from the car without needing to support the engine. Greatly simplifies my clutch and transmission maintenance. Here's the alignment bar in place in the block, as well as the spacer that sets the depth between the block and trans case...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...ngproject8.jpg

Granny 05-26-2011 10:35 PM

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Here's the trans case in position located by the pilot rings...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject10.jpg

I had to take it out of the fixture to make sure i had created enough room to install a SoftLoc clutch, so i figured i'd snap a few pics of the progress.
I started making patterns for closing in the bell by laying out the the top section on posterboard. I quickly realized it was much easier to just cut out slightly larger pieces of posterboard, hold them in place on the bell, and simply apply a little pressure by running my finger around the edges of the steel. This puts a small crease in the posterboard and transfers the exact shape needed, a much quicker way to create a pattern...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject13.jpg

The transmission plate is still only tacked in 4 places. After all the rest of the welding is done, i'll put the bell back into the fixture, cut the tacks, and re-position the plate for the best alignment possible before welding it in place. I doubt there will be any need to machine the block or transmission mating surfaces.

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject14.jpg

Still need to make a pocket for the mini-starter that's going on the car...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject15.jpg

Added a cutout for the mini-starter's drive...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject16.jpg

Added a starter pocket to the bell as well...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject17.jpg


Next is adding a few holes, one for setting the clutch gap and a hole for the hyd t-brg's hose. After that, i'll drill all the bolt holes to finished size, sandblast it, and send it out for powdercoat.

Granny 05-26-2011 10:36 PM

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The finished product...

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject18.jpg

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject19.jpg

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/b...gproject20.jpg

Kory-88Iroc 350 tpi 05-26-2011 10:43 PM

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Thats awesone. nice work. Did you use an english wheel to make the curved top part?
Kory

//<86TA>\\ 05-26-2011 10:49 PM

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honestly, i came in here expecting to see a FAIL of epic proportions, but was instead greatly impressed by what I saw

Good work! Looks really nice. What thickness material did you use for the bell part?

Granny 05-26-2011 11:16 PM

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Thanks guys. It was all cut out by hand w/ a little Hypertherm 350 (1/4" max cap)

No english wheel here, just a simple homemade brake.

The ring around the ring gear is 3/16", the transition is 11ga.

jensen73110 05-26-2011 11:46 PM

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That is badass. How much ya think it weighs?

wretched737 05-27-2011 12:32 AM

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Simply astonishing work

Primetime91 05-27-2011 04:18 AM

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I think you're going to love the face-plating treatment. Good thinking for leaving 1st gear with synchros, that way you don't have to remember to leave it in gear when coasting up to a stop. I made that mistake a couple times

1BADRZ28 05-27-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by //<86TA>\\ (Post 4934320)
honestly, i came in here expecting to see a FAIL of epic proportions, but was instead greatly impressed by what I saw

Good work! Looks really nice. What thickness material did you use for the bell part?

I agree, this site has many epic fails. But I guess it come with the car model and the word Camero

BTW, excellent job with the fabrication. I was expecting a trash can lid to be used in this project.

Pocket 05-29-2011 10:36 PM

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:yup:

Nice work

How confident are you that the input shaft is perfect along the crank axis?

Six_Shooter 05-29-2011 10:43 PM

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Nice.

3rdgenmaro 05-31-2011 07:12 AM

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Nice. Im impressed

Granny 05-31-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket (Post 4936960)
:yup:

Nice work

How confident are you that the input shaft is perfect along the crank axis?

Thanks. You can't see it in the pics, but the alignment bar extends thru the block as well, and uses alignment bushings in the block's front and rear main bearing bores as well. "Perfect" means different things to different people, but I'm pretty confident that the engine and transmission centerlines are concentric enough for my purposes :D

Make 05-31-2011 01:21 PM

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Granny, thanks for posting this. I really like reading about homemade stuff like this with lots of pics, nice work.

Andrew91GT 05-31-2011 02:37 PM

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That really turned out very nicely!

Pocket 05-31-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Granny (Post 4938472)
Thanks. You can't see it in the pics, but the alignment bar extends thru the block as well, and uses alignment bushings in the block's front and rear main bearing bores as well. "Perfect" means different things to different people, but I'm pretty confident that the engine and transmission centerlines are concentric enough for my purposes :D

Sounds like you put some planning into this. Well done

Granny 12-05-2012 07:12 PM

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Here's an update...I went to a 3pc style bellhousing...blockplate, midplate, bell/can. Now i can remove the engine from the car with the flywheel and clutch, and leave the bell and transmission mounted in the car. I can also remove the transmission/bell/clutch/flywheel from the car without supporting the rear of the engine. I also added a couple external "ears" to the block plate, which gives me some easy attachment points for lifting the engine...

http://grannys.tripod.com/3pcbell800w.jpg

I'll take some pics of the engine lifting fixture i made for it. It plugs into the blockplate's added "ears" and into an "eye" that screws into a hole in the top of the waterpump. It fits over the complete engine with the aircleaner and distributor in place. Before i was always using some type of hokey chains trying to find a perfect balance point without damageing something. Now i have a dedicated fixture that plugs in and makes the job easy. Been thinking about attaching the radiator to the engine just to make choosing between a couple engines that much easier

Brando5641 12-05-2012 07:23 PM

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I was also expecting to see something made out of a stop sign and then welded with a hanger and lamp cord...

Good job looks great.

ghettocruiser 12-06-2012 07:33 AM

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Very impressive! That looks fantastic and seems like the extra features you added will come in handy down the road! I like hwo you have it designed so things can be removed without tearing it all out or rigging the motor/trans up with jacks and blocks of wood.

Great stuff!

J.

1986Z28OWNER 12-06-2012 12:01 PM

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I also came in here expecting a pile of junk, But let me say, I am impressed. Very nice work.

built91Z28 12-06-2012 12:05 PM

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Same as everyone else. Expecting a hack job, but definitely impressed. Good work!

bonesbrakr 12-06-2012 04:01 PM

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Too bad companies cant put as much thought, planning and craftsmanship into their products as you have done to this.

92 BBC Z 12-06-2012 04:53 PM

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Impressive. Mad Fab skills.

nhgator 12-06-2012 05:12 PM

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Very nice,great fab work.

tvc 15 12-06-2012 05:20 PM

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Very cool. After seeing the first pics of the block shield I thought it would be cool to put some lightening holes in the upper corners, both for looks and weight. Then I get to the finished product and you already did it. Made me laugh, again very cool.

formula_novice 12-06-2012 07:31 PM

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Great work! Very impressive!

Granny 12-08-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jensen73110 (Post 4934363)
That is badass. How much ya think it weighs?

Forgot to add that...
...the bell itself weighs in at 16.3lbs. The entire 3pc assembly, bell/blockplate/midplate/bolts/hardware, weigh 26.2lbs.

The Quicktimes say they weigh around 17lbs.
Not sure what the old Lakewood style bell weighs.

92RSsleeper 12-10-2012 09:41 AM

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Very impressed. Excellent fabrication


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