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M1tch 12-15-2005 02:57 PM

Collectors Car?
 
I went to Tire Discounters today and I was wanting some new tires because the previous owner kept everything up to date but the tires. There 14 years old HA.

But anyway.. The guys kept asking about my car and I just said its a 1992 RS 25th Heritage Edition Camaro. They started flippin out and saying how rare the car is. Then they asked what color it is and I said White with Red Stripes.. They flipped out more..

*if your confused why they couldnt see my car, i drove my parents Tahoe there because of the slick roads.

Some guy said he collects cars and that car will be worth alot more some day if its kept original.

Is this true?:eek:

BMmonteSS 12-15-2005 03:26 PM

I don't know the exact production numbers, but there are 5 aniversary cars in my home town, 2 of them are white with red stripes. I doubt they are as rare as these guys think they are. I don't today's cars being worth as much as special edition cars from the 60's and 70's. Too many people have that " I wish I had kept that car" syndrome.

Dewey316 12-15-2005 03:44 PM

In time I bet it will be. How many freakin' chevelles were made in the late 60's and early 70's.

Look at the rate that the 16 year olds, kill off thirdgens. I keep check in the appearance board, and see the number of crash pictures. In 15 more years, there will not be so many thirdgens left.

91Z-TheReaper 12-15-2005 04:23 PM

Not Really
 
For starters, its only an RS. I'm not beating down on you, but its not the Z28. There are options that would make a 91 or a 92 a tad more rare, but no, not a collector car like they think it is.
A 1le option or 1 of the L98 Hardtop Z28's would be considered rare, but even then not really. There are not really any 'rare' 3rd gen Camaros. There is a guy on here who is selling a 91Z, 1le with the L98 and only has 240 actual miles on it. He is asking $25k. I doubt he will get that. It is possible, but highly unlikely.

Chances are you have a very nice car, but rare it is not. Maybe in another decade if you can hold onto it that long, it will see some appreciation in value and a decrease in the number of 'brothers' in existence.

Ronny 12-15-2005 04:55 PM

i thought i heard somewhere GM did a late run of 92' Z's with the LT1 before the 93 model year. did i dream that ??

BronYrAur 12-15-2005 05:12 PM

The production numbers on this site show that in 1992 60,994 Camaro RS's were produced. I wouldn't say that's very rare. Now if it were a Z28, only about 5000 were produced. But your car is anything but rare, they only produced a little over 70,000 Camaro's total, so RS Camaro's make up the bulk or production.

Also, GM does not specify production numbers with different options so there's no way for you to narrow down how many white cars with red stripes were produced.

I would say the convertibles come closest to being rare, like my 91 there were only about 5000 made, then one can guess at how many were produced with a V8 and 5-speed manual. But there's no way to determine how many truly were made with those specs. If you want a collector thirdgen, get a TTA, I see that as the only one that will turn out to be a collector, maybe the Pace Car too.

ShiftyCapone 12-15-2005 07:10 PM

RS cars are not worth squat now but they may be one day. In another ten years this car (3rd gens in general) will be the next hot collector car. Even though there are tons of these cars it is becoming very rare to see a nice one. Everyone I see on the road today is a heap hanging on to one or two more years of life. However, in the eyes of the buying public and insurance companies they still have zero value. IMHO the 3rd gen is the best/cheapest performance platform money can buy. The potential of these cars with minimal cash is amazing. These cars are so cheap now. My boss bought his son an '87 T-top (super rare) L98 TA with 43k for only $2600. A perfectly running 100k mile LO3 car with no rust and faded paint will go for around $1000.

Ronny,

You were dreaming ;). It was a good dream though. However, you were close. In 1992 you could get the 305 TPI in an RS as an option. Not one single car was ordered or sold this way because the TPI option was more than the whole Z28 upgrade package :doh: . GM still does this today with their cars. I have no idea how they work out their option packages.

M1tch 12-16-2005 06:22 AM

Thanks for the answers.. The way the guys acted at Tire Discounters made me excited so j/w

:thumbsup:

Ronny 12-16-2005 10:04 AM

Shifty: did you mis type. was it a 350 TPI in the 92 RS as option?

maybe that is what i was refferring too. sleeper?

ShiftyCapone 12-16-2005 02:25 PM


Originally posted by Ronny
Shifty: did you mis type. was it a 350 TPI in the 92 RS as option?


Everything I read said 305. You could get it with the T5 so no L98 :(. That would have been a sleeper.

Dewey316 12-16-2005 02:44 PM

You could get the 350TPI in the RS. some of the B4C cars had the 350, some of them also got the 1LE option, with the 305AT, badged as plane jane RS's.

BronYrAur 12-16-2005 04:01 PM

Yeah if you see any of the police cars that some cops used for highway patrol they were B4C cars with 350 TPI motors.

ShiftyCapone 12-16-2005 04:08 PM


Originally posted by Dewey316
You could get the 350TPI in the RS. some of the B4C cars had the 350, some of them also got the 1LE option, with the 305AT, badged as plane jane RS's.
I did not know that. Good to know :thumbsup:

Fast355 12-16-2005 04:12 PM


Originally posted by Dewey316
In time I bet it will be. How many freakin' chevelles were made in the late 60's and early 70's.

Look at the rate that the 16 year olds, kill off thirdgens. I keep check in the appearance board, and see the number of crash pictures. In 15 more years, there will not be so many thirdgens left.

I see even more 3rd gens get crushed that the bodies were perfect on. Usually they are lowly V6's or LG4s that die and nobody wants!

Dewey316 12-16-2005 04:28 PM

My point was, in 1973, nobody thought you would see chevelles selling for nearly $100K, because there were chevelles everywhere you went. Just like there are thirdgens now.

Maverick_IX 12-22-2005 01:42 PM

The difference is that a 60s-70s muscle car that is still in good shape 30-40 years later is rare and therfore a collectable.

But when 92 Camaros are 30 or 40 years old there will still be many of those 60s-70s muscle cars in just as good of shape (show cars) and the camaro in qeustion has been driven it is not a show car, and thirdgen's were not made to last 50 years.

Ask anyone who has replaced a motor, transmission, fuel pump, water pump, power steering assembly, rusted exhaust, various fiberglass whatsamagigits, etc. @ 100,000 miles.

flaming-ford 12-22-2005 03:03 PM

i dunno i think a thirdgen can last just as long as anything.

I think cars should be driven not sitting and mine will be in fine shape for as long as i own it (it will only get better for as long as i own it).

a mack6 12-22-2005 06:05 PM

I too have a Heritage RS. I firmly believe that one day it will be a collectors item of some sort. Yea they made 7000 camaros in 92 with the Z03 package..but you all know as well as i do that a fair share of them have been destroyed already. Considering that 92 is the last year for thirdgens its no wonder you still see some heritages driving around..its because they're the newest thirdgens! Honestly though, i think the lucky people who ended up getting the polo green/gold and the purple haze/silver heritages probably made off the best because those are ridicoulously rare. I've found only about 10 total photos of those color combos in hours of searching.

Anyway, like i said, i think any Z03 equipped car will be worth a decent amount in the future. Just look at NADA right now, Heritage cars are worth double what a regular 92 is worth. And yea the RS's are as coveted as the z28s but i think they're still gona be worth something. That brings me to one final question:

We all know the 305 TBI that came in alot of the RS's is weak..now how much do you think one could get away with modding the 305 before it detracts from its value? And we're talking about a LO3/Z03 car here.

flaming-ford 12-22-2005 06:34 PM

i'd stick with full exhaust, open element, ultimate tbi mods, and port the heads / port match to the intake, free mods like these are usually never bad they add a good sotp and most people would never know the difference (with porting i mean).

a mack6 12-22-2005 06:48 PM


Originally posted by flaming-ford
i'd stick with full exhaust, open element, ultimate tbi mods, and port the heads / port match to the intake, free mods like these are usually never bad they add a good sotp and most people would never know the difference (with porting i mean).
Yea my plans for the spring are GMMG catback, new cat, and open element. Down the road i could see myself getting headers and maybe in some far off time i would get a posi and 3.23's or 3.42s.

91RedFirebird 12-23-2005 08:32 AM

I looked up a 92 RS vs a 92 RS Heritage at NADA and the RS had a 3,350 average retail and the RS Heritage had a 10,900 average retail so yeah I would consider the Heritage a collectors car. Who knew some strips and some badges could be worth so much?

91Z-TheReaper 12-23-2005 08:53 AM


I looked up a 92 RS vs a 92 RS Heritage at NADA and the RS had a 3,350 average retail and the RS Heritage had a 10,900 average retail so yeah I would consider the Heritage a collectors car. Who knew some strips and some badges could be worth so much?
I don't know what the Heritage adds in value, but I ran NADA search on 92 RS vs 92 Z28 and came up with
$3858 on the RS and $4828 on the Z...So if the Heritage package adds $7000 grr (I couldn't select any options), then the Z should be worth almost $12 grr average? That seems very high to me...anyone else?
For example, I'm working on getting one in minter than mint, every option available, 60k on the dial, 350 hard top, 3.42 posi, 16" x 4 discs, etc., etc...for $8600.
Guess I'd better snap it quicker than quick. Even that seems expensive though...

a mack6 12-23-2005 10:26 AM


Originally posted by 91Z-TheReaper
I don't know what the Heritage adds in value, but I ran NADA search on 92 RS vs 92 Z28 and came up with
$3858 on the RS and $4828 on the Z...So if the Heritage package adds $7000 grr (I couldn't select any options), then the Z should be worth almost $12 grr average? That seems very high to me...anyone else?
For example, I'm working on getting one in minter than mint, every option available, 60k on the dial, 350 hard top, 3.42 posi, 16" x 4 discs, etc., etc...for $8600.
Guess I'd better snap it quicker than quick. Even that seems expensive though...

As ScottMoyer said in another topic, even though certain options arent that expensive out of the factory, they can add ALOT of value in years to come. One example is the heritage package...More than doubles the value of the car (as opposed to a regular RS or Z28). Similarly, the 93 pace car option was only like $400 or something but is worth 10-15g's more than a regular 93Z.

90RS305 12-23-2005 06:43 PM

*COUGH* this is the TBI board, not history board guys *COUGH*

kaptinkafeen 12-24-2005 01:49 PM


Originally posted by BronYrAur
The production numbers on this site show that in 1992 60,994 Camaro RS's were produced. I wouldn't say that's very rare. Now if it were a Z28, only about 5000 were produced. But your car is anything but rare, they only produced a little over 70,000 Camaro's total, so RS Camaro's make up the bulk or production.

Also, GM does not specify production numbers with different options so there's no way for you to narrow down how many white cars with red stripes were produced.

I would say the convertibles come closest to being rare, like my 91 there were only about 5000 made, then one can guess at how many were produced with a V8 and 5-speed manual. But there's no way to determine how many truly were made with those specs. If you want a collector thirdgen, get a TTA, I see that as the only one that will turn out to be a collector, maybe the Pace Car too.

I would add that R7U cars will be in the catagory of the TTA's - even less of these around than the TTA's for any given year of production, but because they really are not that much faster over the regular 1LE's or producation cars the TTA may be a better ticket. If you look at some of the current trends, anything big block, or Hi-Po small block '70 LT1's, Olds Ramrod 350/W31 etc... are worth the big bucks.
In terms of the heritage '92's the package itself is somewhat rare, but there was no performace gain so in terms of dollar value IMO these cars may only pull a small premium in the future. Z28's with the option, z28 rags with the option, and then 1LE's with the option may be the cars that will pull the extra premium for having the heritage package. Although I doubt it, but a players' car (R7U) with the option would be very rare - but I really doubt if GM every produced any with the heritage package...Maybe Mark can chrip in and tell us?
-Andrew

hwcoll95 01-04-2006 09:44 PM

Z03 optioned 92s are.....
 
keepers for sure,RS or Z there the last of that breed,best built.and NADA sure adds a bunch of $$$$$ and doesn't even take mileage in the equation

coolcamaroZ28 01-15-2006 01:59 PM

It IS considered a collectors car!
 
I was cruisin' around on ebay and was directed to this site to legitimize the value in the price the guy was asking for it...

http://www.nadaguides.com/uv/viewres...wPr=1&wPg=2032

Asdfga3 01-15-2006 11:19 PM

Link didn't work, so I looked it up; retail for a '92 Heritige RS is apparently 7-13K on some planet in the universe where that website's appraiser lives. :rolleyes:

Just another L03 Camaro IMO.


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