1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build This is mirrored on pro-touring.com Intro: I'm a 32 year old infantryman from Montreal, Canada. I'm rebuilding a 1988 Trans Am on my weekends/leave. The car was actually my first car, I've had it since I was 16! I blew the engine about 10 years ago and its been on blocks since. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...3f7de5541a.jpg Car in storage. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...048379b16e.jpg At least the cats have been enjoying my TA... So, there it is. The basic idea is to create a road-race/auto-x weekend car. My plans, in no particular order, include:
If some things I do seem odd, its probably because I had no other options within my budget. Parts in Canada are a nightmare. Anything new will wind up costing at least 200-300$ more in shipping then who knows how much in duty and the used parts selection is "sparse". Paying 1500$ for a broken T56 sparse, no thanks. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Progress... I've managed to get most of the necessities of my build. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...09cdf1f93c.jpg 2007 LY6 6.0 https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...ccaa1fde50.jpg Close ratio (2 groove) Super-T10 https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...8152ca1ba4.jpg Super Comp Hurst shifter and linkage https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...b35b439620.jpg Lightly used Centerforce, Willwood Master/Pedals |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Unless you find (or have) a 9 bolt I would suggest using a 10 bolt strong enought for your built but more importantly the parts are more common and much cheaper... If dead set on 9 bolt price the parts to "freshen one up 1st) |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by daferris
(Post 5940964)
Unless you find (or have) a 9 bolt I would suggest using a 10 bolt strong enought for your built but more importantly the parts are more common and much cheaper... If dead set on 9 bolt price the parts to "freshen one up 1st) Either way they are 250$. My 10 bolt has 2.72 gears, changing the gears on my 10 bolt will run at least that and I'll still have drum brakes in the back. Also,the 9 bolt is stronger. If you adjust the shims correctly it can last a long time for road racing. Why no 9" or 12 bolt:
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Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build More progress on the interior: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...5d8651ea29.jpg Don't mind the ugly welds/rust.:hmmm:Installed Main Hoop https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...17e07d7bf7.png Finished gutting the interior, mocking up the rest of the cage. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Looks like a nice project monkey-leader! |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Good news! Seems like the roll cage is legal in Quebec, with some limitations. Basically, anything that interferes with your movement in and out of the car is prohibited. Therefore, door bars cannot be higher than your hip. I will mock up a door bar that is lower than the stock seats hip placement and see how it looks. I guess it will be more of a reinforcement bar than safety, but whatever. it should tie in nicely with the SFCs I'll be fabricating on the other side of the floor. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Nice plan! Look forward to what neat PT stuff you do with it |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build 3 Attachment(s) Bad news: Works been a pain and my daily driver (Volvo V70R, never buy one) has been acting up. So, I haven't got to do as much as I'd like. Good news: It's a long weekend up here and I got to throw the motor in. Morale is high... Attachment 460760 Motor going in. Attachment 460761 Oil pan's tight?!?! Attachment 460762 So much firewall clearance... I pulled the motor out and am going to reinstall it with the transmission tomorrow. Hopefully I can begin work on the cross-member and driveline and be done this weekend... |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Thats cool you've held on to your first car....wish I had. Is the LY6 an iron block? Did you build the motor mounts? |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by KCG
(Post 5958686)
Thats cool you've held on to your first car....wish I had. Is the LY6 an iron block? Did you build the motor mounts? The motor mounts are from Hooker, got a good deal on them in the classifieds. Seeing how much clearance there is between the engine and firewall kind of makes me want to make my own than move the engine back a little further, but that's probably not going to happen...[/ |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build 2 Attachment(s) Updates are coming. In the mean time, I've got some new parts: |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build 4 Attachment(s) I was at it again tonight as well as last night. Things just didn't fit properly. Poor clearance everywhere I looked. Earlier, I had left the clam shells in the stock location. This left the motor too far forward. So, I moved the clam shells to the rear position on the rearward position on the K-member. This created some clearance issues with the firewall. I came to the conclusion that I was sold the wrong motor mounts (Hooker 12621HKR). I was hoping the mounts would be easy-peasey. Guess I'll have to sort things out myself. I measured everything, old engines, new engines, old mounts, new mounts, transmissions. You name it, I measured it. Just to be sure. In the end it seems that the motor should be moved 3.48" back. This is the mount to transmission difference between an SBC an LSx. The mounts only move the engine about 2.325 (measured it). Meaning, the motor falls 1.125" short of where it should to retain the factory transmission mount point. This also meant the the info for this product is straight up wrong. :crazy: Seems like this info would be all over the internet. Newsflash, its not. :huh: Luckily, the third gen k-member is pretty big. I drilled some clam shell mounts 1.125 further back and now it looks like it fits. Attachment 460641 New clam shell location Attachment 460642 Firewall cleared Attachment 460643 Super-T10 hanging out. Before anybody says anything; the x-member is just so the engine doesn't bottom out on the k-member. I still have to make a x-member with a mount point about 0.5" to 1" further forward. On the upside, it seems like I will be able to re-use the GTA drive shaft. All that will be required is a 1310 to 1350 universal joint. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Nice build. Any updates? What brand/where did you get those caster/camber strut mounts? Snazzy looking... |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Look like founders but could be about anyone's. Except for the DSE mounts which are way expensive, there isn't enough difference between brands for the average hotrodder to tell. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by DynoDave43
(Post 5941176)
Looks like a nice project monkey-leader! |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build I just did a 5.3 LS swap with a supercharger. I used steel adjustable setback style mounts, $50 shipped on eBay. This allows engine movement in the stock SBC location and +\- 1" forward or rearward. I ended up in the stock location only bc I didn't feel like having to pay to have my $500 driveshaft shortened 1". I then had an issue with the power steering pump pulley almost touching the steering box, smaller pulley solved that. Glad you figured out the engine mount thing, but the cheap setback mounts would have given you adjustability without having to drill the Kmember. Now you need to figure out exhaust! I used the cheap SS long tubes off eBay but if I had the engine setback any further than stock the headers wouldn't fit.... So glad that worked out. Aftermarket Kmember would help a lot with oil pan clearance etc but ur going to notice the truck oil pans are too low and till bottom out on the ground befor anything else as it sits below the Kmember, fbody oil pan or Holley will fix that but pushes the sump right into the stock Kmember which u might have to clearance or get an aftermarket Kmember. Sucks about the charges you Canadians incur. Oh also any pan swap will require, Windage tray, oil pump pickup and dipstick change as well to match. Our builds are very similar but mines a street car, but I have a ford 8.8, 2004R, 4" exhaust and a supercharger lol. And i made everything! Low roll bar door bars are not NHRA approved down here. I would suggest a swing out kit and remove them but have them up higher for racing. That's what I did on my 8pt bc getting in and out with the door bars is a PITA lol. I made my own front and rear weight jacks as well. Sweet build! Let me know if u have any questions. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by TennesseeIroc-Z
(Post 6036584)
Nice build. Any updates? What brand/where did you get those caster/camber strut mounts? Snazzy looking... Sorry for the late reply, I've been tasked out quite a bit this year. On the upside (?) it means that I was bored and ordered a lot of parts. More to follow. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build 9 Attachment(s) While staring into the woods I got cell service every now and then and ordered a f*** ton of parts. I'll add links for the other poor Canadian souls so maybe they can save some duckets. The e-bay parts probably should have been bought from any Canadian parts store but whatever. Here's a breakdown:
In case you are wondering, the headers seem to be of pretty good quality. Especially given what they cost. Before you start, they look a lot better than some ceramic "high quality American headers" that I've played with in the past. As a side note, they will ship them UPS. UPS will rip you off for brokerage fees at the border, unless you call them and say that you're going to clear them yourself. Here's some more pics: Attachment 460151 Primary welds are good inside. Attachment 460152 Primary welds are good outside. Attachment 460153 Collector welds look good. Attachment 460154 Header flange is straight but seems like it could have been cut better. (oh well) Attachment 460155 Internally collector looks fine. I also got a set of C5 Corvette rims to experiment with. It seems like the brake conversion will not be a problem. It looks like it will even fit under 17" wheels, something that Baer or others have not produced? Though I think Ill go with 18" rims all around, for suspension/tire clearance issues. I didn't have the spacers at the time, I used some wood instead. Its maybe not 100% centered... :lmao: Attachment 460156 18Z Calipers under 18" C5 Rim Attachment 460157 18Z Calipers under 17" C5 Rim Attachment 460158 18Z Caliper under 17" C5 Rim (clearance seems good?) |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Whoops, posted twice... |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Its been a while since I have updated this. I moved and basically this project got stuck in a town I wasn't in for a while. I also got a little distracted with other projects/cars. Since the last update I had a low rider Colorado, a fire damaged BMW 330Ci that I restored for autocross and a '69 Dodge Dart that I've got some future plans for. https://static1.pt-content.com/image...GkiV5Egh-1.jpg 1969 Dodge Dart https://static1.pt-content.com/image...Fyx1XBfh-1.png https://static1.pt-content.com/image...ouqSueVm-1.jpg 2004 Chevrolet Colorado https://static1.pt-content.com/image...BjvmP3Vh-1.jpg 2002 BMW 330Ci Anyhow, I sold the Colorado and the BMW and moved my Trans Am closer to where I am. Conveniently enough there's a lift or two. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build I had to take the gas tank out in order to install the new fuel pump. I also removed the old exhaust and 10 bolt drum rear, as I'm going with a 9 bolt disc unit. I originally planned on retrofitting the old tank with a walbro fuel pump and corvette pressure regulator/filter. The tank looked great from he outside, the inside was another story. https://static1.pt-content.com/image.../rAa9G9S-1.jpg 15 year old gas/rust https://static1.pt-content.com/image.../hiE3Gmp-1.jpg Delicious caramelized fuel On the upside the floors, pickup points and frame are immaculate. Living in Quebec/Ontario that's pretty amazing. There only two spots of surface rust. I imagine they are from bottoming out. Who needs undercoating when you smash transmission cooler lines once a year right? https://static1.pt-content.com/image.../a6xvX4b-1.jpg https://static1.pt-content.com/image.../oNXb4Db-1.jpg https://static1.pt-content.com/image.../Sh9Uagd-1.jpg So clean.... Don't mind the massive pictures, my Huaiwei spy phone takes hi resolution 40MP direct to China. I didn' really get to put any work in since Friday. There's more to come, Ill be working on this all week. I'm shooting to have this thing on the road come spring. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Looks like a great workspace! I'm glad you kept the Dart. I really like that generation of A-body. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build What kind of tubing are you using for the roll cage? Is it a pre fab bar or are you building from scratch? |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build 9 Attachment(s) Bad news, I drained the old gas and my gas tank was pretty gross. It was Sunday evening so I had no idea what I could get other than Hawks Third Gen, Rock Auto or Summit. Hawks and Rock Auto were really overprices, summit was ok but who knows how long that will take. F*&# that. I thought about trying to acid wash it with some muriatic acid, but I wasn't really certain I would be able to get rid of the all the crust and decided to find a new (to me?) tank. Now spinning... I moved on to mock up the Trans/Engine. Because I set the engine so far back with the Super T-10 transmission, it seemed impossible to get the T-56 installed. That was with no clutch or flywheel present, not fun. I dropped the K-Member. This created enough room to get the motor and trans installed as one unit. Great, I really dislike installing transmissions from the bottom anways. Looks like I have to weld in a patch and cut a new shifter hole though. Attachment 459320 Sketchy things to be doing alone on a sunday at 1AM Attachment 459321 Pretty tight clearances. Attachment 459322 Right against the firewall Attachment 459323 T56 is longer than a Super T-10:seizure: I called around all Monday morning and most of the places wanted $500+ CAD, which I found to be ridiculous. Luckily enough, the local scrap had this lying around for $150. I weighted it and it comes in at 10 pounds lighter, with the EVAP canister attached. I'll be removing that, so maybe 11 pounds lighter:rotfl:. Most importantly, the tank will last longer than the car. Downside is non of the fittings are the same. The old tank uses a 16mm x 1.5 fitting on the main line and some hose clamps for the EVAP and return lines. The new tank uses 3/8 in quick connect EFI connectors for the main and return lines and a 5/16 quick connect for the EVAP. It took some research (Thirdgen.org/Google) but I got a pretty good idea of the route used. Most people
This works because the LS1 pump has a build in pressure regulator. It seems like a bit of extra work just to create a loop. My solution is similar but IMO better and I also decided to go ahead and future proof myself for if we ever get ethanol in Canada. I'll try to remember to add pictures when I receive the parts. My Solution:
Shopping list:
Cooking this up ate a lot of my day and I still have a metric %H!T ton of wiring to do. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Your engine is too far back. Second, can you get the hard line for the LS1 tank? If you got the two hard lines and the T block, you don't need all those fittings. I have an LS1 tank in my car with my 4.8 swap with a 4th gen filter. That screwed right onto my stock 3rd gen hard line |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by scooter
(Post 6287884)
Your engine is too far back. Second, can you get the hard line for the LS1 tank? If you got the two hard lines and the T block, you don't need all those fittings. I have an LS1 tank in my car with my 4.8 swap with a 4th gen filter. That screwed right onto my stock 3rd gen hard line Hardlines weren't an option. Nobody had any fittings around here, I went to 5 or 6 parts stores. I got everything of Amazon Prime sooner that they could "special order" basic parts. Also, it didn't cost much. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by monkey-leader
(Post 6287898)
Why too far back? Everything seems to line up other than it being a pain to install... |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build 1 Attachment(s) I don't think so. The Super T10 sat too far forward. I'm 6'4", ergonomically it's perfect. Also, the console lines up almost perfectly. So, I'm not sure how yours fit perfectly so much further forward. Attachment 459315 If it fits, I sits... Either way I'm probably ditching the console. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build I doesn't matter to me, lol, I looks like you will have to pull the engine to get the head off it is so close to the firewall. You have a lot more room between the pan and the crossmember, some people have to trim the crossmember, so you're definitely father back then most swaps. If you're that tall, you should have longer arms, I would think the shifter back so far would be a detriment, just pointing it out is all, not criticizing. I move the engine back 1.75" in my 73 Camaro so I didn't have to buy a new driveshaft, lol so what ever works for you |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Yeah, my motivation was shifting weight to the rear and not so much fitment. Strangely enough, the shifter seems like it will come out right about where the TH700R4 shifter was. Dont know why the heads wouldn't come off? I don't have head studs on this block. I'm building a aluminum 6.0L LS3, out of an Escalade, for down the road that will have studs and etc. That's a problem for later. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by monkey-leader
(Post 6287791)
This works because the LS1 pump has a build in pressure regulator. It seems like a bit of extra work just to create a loop. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Looking at your engine, why does the oil filter threaded nipple look like it spent 500 years at the bottom of the ocean? That's a serviceable part that can be replaced. But more importantly, how did something turn to rust that normally sits inside an oil bath? |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build Have you done anything to improve the oiling system of the engine? A stock LS engine can run out of oil if the car can turn well. Rectangle port heads in particular need some attention in that department. And the truck blocks make thing more challenging because they don't have the crank bay windows like the cars do. Combine that with an f body pan and you've got something that probably needs some extra help to make sure the pickup tube stays submerged. Just trying to look out for your best interest. Engines are not cheap! |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
(Post 6288277)
Have you done anything to improve the oiling system of the engine? What do you recommend? Either way, I'm not shooting for perfection. It will be an ongoing thing for at least the first year. Then I'll probably get the thing a paint job. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build In for updates |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thi...f8eef890f4.jpg What sanctioning body are you building the cage for? Are you allowed to use tubing with a seam in it? |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
(Post 6288270)
It's so that return fuel is filtered. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by monkey-leader
(Post 6288329)
What do you recommend? The basics:
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Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by scooter
(Post 6288422)
Return fuel in the 99-02 F-body system is not filtered. The T block is before the fuel filter |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by scooter
(Post 6288422)
Return fuel in the 99-02 F-body system is not filtered. The T block is before the fuel filter I wonder if the reason for the longer factory return line is to dampen pressure pulses caused by the fuel pump before reaching the fuel regulator? (avoid harmonics in the pressure regulator) |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by monkey-leader
(Post 5958708)
Yeah, the LY6 is an iron block with L92 heads and VVT (~350HP/~370TQ). Pretty easy to get some power out of it. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by 91ls1t56
(Post 6288439)
I could swear the tee was after the filter on the 4th gen LS cars.
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
(Post 6288440)
I'll be darned. After all these years I didn't know that! I put the tee after the filter in my car but there is a risk of overheating the pump if the filter were to become too far plugged. I can see where putting the tee before the filter is desirable when people don't service filters often enough. I wonder if the reason for the longer factory return line is to dampen pressure pulses caused by the fuel pump before reaching the fuel regulator? (avoid harmonics in the pressure regulator) Sorry, I am wrong. I was remembering incorrectly. the filter is before the "T". It has been a long time since I was under the car. I just looked in the 4th gen parts book. |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build No worries. My own memory is so untrustworthy any more that I didn't even question it! :lol: |
Re: 1988 Trans Am Pro Tour/Auto-X Build
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
(Post 6288768)
No worries. My own memory is so untrustworthy any more that I didn't even question it! :lol: |
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